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Politesub53 -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/20/2014 3:09:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
The cost of the actual closing is the reason, not because they were unsustainable.
weve had the same issue here with the cost of closing gas plants, first being given a price tag of 30 millionto shut it, is now going to cost 950 million.
WHere does the money come from to cover it?
borrow from peter to pay paul....

If the subsidies were sustainable, then they would have continued, Lucy. Apparently, the German government decided that, in light of higher energy costs due to the shuttering of the nuke plants, that they could no longer sustain the subsidies at the current level (iow, they were unsustainable).
For some kooky reason, Germany seems to think that increased costs in one area means that costs in other areas need to be reduced to cover. Completely un-American, as US politicians prove time and time again. [:D]

You use some perverse arguments DS........ Read things slow and it may sink in. Green subsides were cut because the money set aside for it was used for something else. In this case it was the safe dismantling of Nuclear Power so Germany can go green. The only thing unsustainable is your argument.


Perverse argument? You do recall this site itself could be referred to as "perverse" by others, right? lol [:D]

I don't have to read slowly. Perhaps you do. Nowhere have I stated that green subsidies were cut for any other reason than what you wrote. That they were chosen to be cut shows that Germany's government decided that they could not be sustained in the current economic environment. If that is not true, why were the subsidies cut?

And, my "completely un-American" assertion is, in fact, a compliment to Germany.



Oh please......... Its quite clear what you stated.




Politesub53 -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/20/2014 3:22:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Ah, another opinion completely devoid of facts.

The fact is that contrary to the European parliament, the EU will set aside mandatory goals per country, setting instead a goal for the entire EU zone.

Which is just politician speak for saying we have just removed any mandatory requirements.



Can you substantiate any of this bollocks ?




mnottertail -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/20/2014 3:30:26 PM)

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The fact is that contrary to the European parliament, the EU will set aside mandatory goals per country


This is causing my right eye to squirt out of my head to understand what this could possibly mean, the EU is the parliament, and they dont have Obama and real democrats in that Union so that they can ignore the constitution as our Obama does, without let or hindrance from the nutsackers as happens in America.

LOLOLOLOLOL.  American intellect/political thought.  Don't use these words in the same universe together.




Politesub53 -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/20/2014 3:37:32 PM)

There is a sort of upper and lower house but one just rubber stamps the other. I didnt want to point out his Faux pas.




mnottertail -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/20/2014 3:41:29 PM)

Here we have our house of lords (senate) and they ignore the dogshit from the MPs (house of representatives).  We call it a congress, not a parliament, but you can do the maths.  Some cannot obviously.




Tkman117 -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/20/2014 3:50:58 PM)

Hidethedecline.eu? Really? How more biased can you get? I went into your link and found it broken, so you're off to a golden start at demonstrating your intellectual prowess. When I fixed the link, it brought me to a bunch of graphs which show an INCREASING trend! And they have the balls to say otherwise?? WOW, just wow XD

To add to the hilarity, this is not a peer reviewed paper or government document, so try again bud. If you're not good enough to play in the big leagues, go back to the sidelines and let the big boys play.




Phydeaux -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/20/2014 6:42:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Hidethedecline.eu? Really? How more biased can you get? I went into your link and found it broken, so you're off to a golden start at demonstrating your intellectual prowess. When I fixed the link, it brought me to a bunch of graphs which show an INCREASING trend! And they have the balls to say otherwise?? WOW, just wow XD

To add to the hilarity, this is not a peer reviewed paper or government document, so try again bud. If you're not good enough to play in the big leagues, go back to the sidelines and let the big boys play.


An increase. At the south pole. Post it.




Tkman117 -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/20/2014 6:44:21 PM)

Lol, you already did, anyone with two eyes and a functional brain can see it for themselves XD




Phoenixpower -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/20/2014 6:52:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
So, whether or not they diminish subsidies for green, they are dumping the nuke plants, they would rather die of lung cancer than radiation poisoning.  Thats all there is to it. 


well...after voters showed Angela the robes she had to review her view on nuke plants:

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/europe/germany/110329/angela-merkel-christian-democratic-union




Phydeaux -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/20/2014 6:52:21 PM)

Really... given the author and the university you're not capable of finding the pretty pictures? Really?
As for .. non peer reviewed.. are you delusional?

So.. Here is picture 1. Taken from Vostok ice cores. Widely peer reviewed.


[image]local://upfiles/11137/F60705B3A48F42B98C78C34ADF483B9E.gif[/image]




Tkman117 -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/20/2014 6:55:59 PM)

Oh goody, you found another picture! Well done! Could you site the paper that this was taken from please?




Phydeaux -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/20/2014 6:56:43 PM)

And since you need more help...

Global monthly average lower troposphere temperature since 1979 for the northern polar Pole (60-82.5N) and southern polar (60-70S) regions, according to Remote Sensing Systems (RSS). These graphs uses data obtained by the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) TIROS-N satellite, and interpreted by Dr. Carl Mears (RSS).

Do you notice the DECLINING temperature for the Antartic? So much for "if there is more snow it must be warmer, eh".

Lets just repeat that shall we: Antartic ice is at a 35 year high. Show me that 35 year peak in the temperature graphs.

Of course not - that disagrees with your religion.

[image]local://upfiles/11137/1C7024C10B7C43C7937924C89377D4ED.gif[/image]




Tkman117 -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/20/2014 7:02:28 PM)

Well, clearly it's increasing in the arctic, bottom one is a little harder to see I will admit. But also, you're taking this off a graph, which is very presumptuous. Given the raw data one would easily be able to calculate a general trend line and slope angle...which would probably be available in the original papers that these graphs were cited from...speaking of which, I hate to ask again, but could you please provide a link to the papers these graphs were taken from? Would love to read them myself :)




Phydeaux -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/20/2014 7:04:36 PM)

Not that this is really relevent, but always fun to throw some inconvenient truths.

Here's the graph for temperatures at the equator:

Notice the trendline? DECLINING temperatures...




[image]local://upfiles/11137/741216469A674528BBC2DAB40E9975C0.gif[/image]




Tkman117 -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/20/2014 7:06:13 PM)

Papers please senior :3

And I apologize if it seems like I'm not paying attention to the sources you list, I truly am, but I need a proper link in order to see it for myself. A true intellect like yourself should have no trouble assisting a feeble minded liberal like myself, and I assume you'd take great pride in presenting me with the god honest "truth" as you so call it [;)]




Phydeaux -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/20/2014 7:20:36 PM)

Of course I'm posting pretty pictures. If you know anything about this field you should already know this stuff.

The bottom line is that temperature increases pretty much are happening in the temperate zones - predominantly in the northern hemispheres.

But that doesn't really bode well for the AGW theory, now does it. Or could it be [horror!] that there actually is something else occuring....

Lets remind everyone what the IPCC prediction said would happen:

<Edit: Apparently the pretty picture is too big to fit on collar. Sorry boys and girls - you'll have to go look for the actuall IPCC projections from 1990. Or 2003. Or 2007.

So.. moving along.. more pretty pictures...

As for sources - the data are the RSS satellite feeds. The MHHS sat feeds. The Papers are from Dr. Mehrs, Spencer, Christie. & others. The first pretty picture came from the vostok ice core (google it).









Tkman117 -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/20/2014 7:22:16 PM)

Um, what would happen, nothing's there, might want to edit that XD

And I do know this stuff, but according to you (and I'm pretty much paraphrasing here) "I know jack shit about what I'm talking about". As such, I need to be informed. If I'm going to be informed, I need links to the TRUE research papers that show what a sham and swindle the climate change claim truly is. You seem to know what's best, so I leave my knowledge in your tender hands [;)]




Phydeaux -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/20/2014 7:32:16 PM)

Notice - global temperature WELL below the minimum estimate of the IPCC.

IE - the IPCC with all its vaunted experts and 79 models.. was & is..... wrong.

[image]local://upfiles/11137/434A5EF7016F46FB9159489DC0225DCC.jpg[/image]




Phydeaux -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/20/2014 7:35:13 PM)

More pretty pictures...

Remember that supposed link between.. CO2 and temperature. Gee.. CO2 increasing pretty much uninterrupted.
Temperatures... well.. no.

[image]local://upfiles/11137/4F3EC8395BDE464BB9536BE591092AAC.jpg[/image]




Tkman117 -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/20/2014 7:36:24 PM)

Um, you do see a general upward trend right? From the left of the graph to the right? Or is the dark side...i mean, my liberal bias, blinding me to the truth? That this graph is actually in a downward trend? Oh why do my cursed eyes deceive me?!

As to the second one. Yes! I see it! A poorly photoshoped arrow to show me the truth! Unfortunately, that data seems to be missing so I can't be sure if the dark s...liberal blindness has stopped completely yet. Could you assist me in this regard?

And I'm still waiting for those links btw [;)]




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