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Phydeaux -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/21/2014 11:04:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

I'm glad someone has finally caught on to what I was trying to do ;)


Some of us were even ahead of you. [8|]

I`m still waiting for proof of his assertions about the EU policy.



Scroll back. Articles were cited.




mnottertail -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/21/2014 11:08:10 AM)

No, they weren't at all cited, they were spun into saying shit that wasn't there and misrepresenting what was.





Tkman117 -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/21/2014 11:09:40 AM)

Pretty sure they want links bud, something you seem to have trouble supplying on these forums.




Phydeaux -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/21/2014 11:11:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Well, to start you could supply the papers from which you got your graphs that supposedly support your points. In addition to that, any peer reviewed scientific papers published in reputable journals that reach a conclusions that climate change is a farce. No news pages, no articles, no conservative or liberal sites, real hard scientific research.

If you have trouble figuring out what you're looking for, an example would be something along the lines of this:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1365-2486.2001.00383.x/abstract;jsessionid=71A8F7F125872E37DB90FD24950A3086.f03t04?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false


Except of course it won't be "drivel" because your almighty brain can clearly tell the difference XD

A good place to start looking would be google scholar, have fun ;)

http://scholar.google.ca


Now you're weaseling out. You said
"Find me the proper papers that show I was wrong and I will admit you have been right the entire time."

I'm not letting you pick the papers, or the topics. I will happily provide papers (again). I merely ask you to quantify what
"proper" means.


If you're going to say it has to be published in some left wing rag - I won't waste my time. If you say published by any reputable journal - I'll be happy to do so - and welcome you to the circle of people that actually read science as opposed to follow a destructive, liberal ideology.






DomKen -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/21/2014 11:13:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

FR

On a side note, I'm wondering how many climate change papers Phydeaux is currently wading through as we speak? You search up climate change and countless upon countless papers discuss the effects of climate change on various environments, or the economics of it, or the political and social aspects of it. It's like finding a needle in a haystack. Will he find a paper that supports his view? Maybe, but for every 1 paper he finds, 10 more probably exist that criticize said paper and debunk whatever misconceptions it has. The peer review process isn't perfect, and every once in a while, a piece of crap makes it's way through, but it doesn't usually take long for the journal and the scientists involved to see the mistakes that they have made. Tick tock Phydeaux, tick tock [;)]

It's not even close to 1 in 10. Last year out of 2200+ journal articles on climate last year only a single one rejected human causes for climate change.
http://grist.org/climate-energy/this-chart-makes-it-painfully-obvious-that-climate-deniers-are-ridiculous/




Phydeaux -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/21/2014 11:14:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

FR

On a side note, I'm wondering how many climate change papers Phydeaux is currently wading through as we speak? You search up climate change and countless upon countless papers discuss the effects of climate change on various environments, or the economics of it, or the political and social aspects of it. It's like finding a needle in a haystack. Will he find a paper that supports his view? Maybe, but for every 1 paper he finds, 10 more probably exist that criticize said paper and debunk whatever misconceptions it has. The peer review process isn't perfect, and every once in a while, a piece of crap makes it's way through, but it doesn't usually take long for the journal and the scientists involved to see the mistakes that they have made. Tick tock Phydeaux, tick tock [;)]


Just waiting for you to quit weaseling and define "proper". Third request now. Course you - like every other person I've ever challenged on something like this just back out...




Phydeaux -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/21/2014 11:15:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

FR

On a side note, I'm wondering how many climate change papers Phydeaux is currently wading through as we speak? You search up climate change and countless upon countless papers discuss the effects of climate change on various environments, or the economics of it, or the political and social aspects of it. It's like finding a needle in a haystack. Will he find a paper that supports his view? Maybe, but for every 1 paper he finds, 10 more probably exist that criticize said paper and debunk whatever misconceptions it has. The peer review process isn't perfect, and every once in a while, a piece of crap makes it's way through, but it doesn't usually take long for the journal and the scientists involved to see the mistakes that they have made. Tick tock Phydeaux, tick tock [;)]

It's not even close to 1 in 10. Last year out of 2200+ journal articles on climate last year only a single one rejected human causes for climate change.
http://grist.org/climate-energy/this-chart-makes-it-painfully-obvious-that-climate-deniers-are-ridiculous/


Snicker.
What did you think grist would say? Really? When I've already pointed you to a different site that has, you know over 10,000 papers that disagree with AGW.





mnottertail -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/21/2014 11:15:48 AM)

Well, what other destructive ideology could there be?  Yours is extremely liberal with the truth, liberal with the misinformation, liberal with the deception, liberal with the buffoonery.....

Well spoken, I guess. 




Phydeaux -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/21/2014 11:16:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Pretty sure they want links bud, something you seem to have trouble supplying on these forums.


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Pretty sure they want links bud, something you seem to have trouble supplying on these forums.


And I'm pretty sure he has problems reading. Post 61.
Here's the link again "bud".
https://www.europeanvoice.com/article/imported/barroso-drops-binding-green-energy-goal/79252.aspx




Tkman117 -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/21/2014 11:17:02 AM)

Who's weaselling out when you're the one complaining about one part of what I said? XD

You asked me what parameters were to exist in this search and I provided them in their entirety.

In that same post I said : "No news pages, no articles, no conservative or liberal sites, real hard scientific research." So no, I don't want it to be in some left wing "rag" as you call it, I explicitly asked that it isn't.

And as to what "proper" means, I answered that as well: "any peer reviewed scientific papers published in reputable journals that reach a conclusions that climate change is a farce. No news pages, no articles, no conservative or liberal sites, real hard scientific research."

Seriously man, how is this difficult? Unless of course...these papers don't actually exist. [;)]

Also, lets add that they be within the last decade, because you yourself have voiced issues with papers that haven't been recent. Sound good?




DomKen -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/21/2014 11:18:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

FR

On a side note, I'm wondering how many climate change papers Phydeaux is currently wading through as we speak? You search up climate change and countless upon countless papers discuss the effects of climate change on various environments, or the economics of it, or the political and social aspects of it. It's like finding a needle in a haystack. Will he find a paper that supports his view? Maybe, but for every 1 paper he finds, 10 more probably exist that criticize said paper and debunk whatever misconceptions it has. The peer review process isn't perfect, and every once in a while, a piece of crap makes it's way through, but it doesn't usually take long for the journal and the scientists involved to see the mistakes that they have made. Tick tock Phydeaux, tick tock [;)]

It's not even close to 1 in 10. Last year out of 2200+ journal articles on climate last year only a single one rejected human causes for climate change.
http://grist.org/climate-energy/this-chart-makes-it-painfully-obvious-that-climate-deniers-are-ridiculous/


Snicker.
What did you think grist would say? Really? When I've already pointed you to a different site that has, you know over 10,000 papers that disagree with AGW.



No, you didn't. either you have no idea what a peer reviewed journal is or you just flat out lied.




Phydeaux -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/21/2014 11:24:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Who's weaselling out when you're the one complaining about one part of what I said? XD

You asked me what parameters were to exist in this search and I provided them in their entirety.

In that same post I said : "No news pages, no articles, no conservative or liberal sites, real hard scientific research." So no, I don't want it to be in some left wing "rag" as you call it, I explicitly asked that it isn't.

And as to what "proper" means, I answered that as well: "any peer reviewed scientific papers published in reputable journals that reach a conclusions that climate change is a farce. No news pages, no articles, no conservative or liberal sites, real hard scientific research."

Seriously man, how is this difficult? Unless of course...these papers don't actually exist. [;)]

Also, lets add that they be within the last decade, because you yourself have voiced issues with papers that haven't been recent. Sound good?


No, once again you're changing the terms. The terms weren't "that prove climate warming is a farce" although thats tempting too.

Your terms were - "show you proper papers that show you were wrong, and I will admit you have been right the entire time".

Thats the deal. Real hard research. Published 2000 or later.
As for when - I'm closing on a property. It will get done when it gets done.




Tkman117 -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/21/2014 11:30:25 AM)

LOLOLOL, talk about hypocritical XD If my eyes don't deceive me, you posted this in post 75 right after I said "show me proper papers that show I was wrong, and I will admit you have been right the entire time" in post 74

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Ok. This is too good to pass up - not to win the argument, but the actual chance to educate a brainwashed lemming.

So lets set the terms.

What will meet your requirements of a peer reviewed paper? (Don't want to spend the effort to have you back out and say it doesn't qualify).

Just want you to formalize it.


You wanted me to formalize it, I did in post 76. You can't go back to something else I said previously when it wasn't something I said after setting the terms. You asked for the terms, I gave it. If you can't handle the terms set, then you might as well admit you're wrong now and save yourself the embarrassment. Because the terms set were hardly unreasonable.

And the only time I changed the terms was when I said: "Also, lets add that they be within the last decade, because you yourself have voiced issues with papers that haven't been recent. Sound good?"

Thats all I can say for sure is something I changed in the terms. Which if you don't agree with I can remove as a requirement, make it easier for you. [;)]




Phydeaux -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/21/2014 11:32:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Tkman117

Btw Phydeaux, I'm taking a climate class right now. While climate change isn't the focus, it is something we are talking about. If there's any simple questions you want me to ask my prof, just let me know and I'll post the answers :)


Cool. Why don't you ask your professor what he thinks about Dansgaard-Oeschger events?
I don't really trust liberals not to lie but... it still will be interesting to observe.

Oh, and for grins and giggles. Why don't you ask him how many degrees the climate changed in the 50 year transition from the Younger Dryas to the Pre-Boreal periods, hmmm?




Lucylastic -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/21/2014 11:33:57 AM)

actually he said
Find me the proper papers that show I was wrong and I will admit you have been right the entire time. Honestly, isn't that so much easier than debating a "liberal moron"? Just present the papers with links for everyone to see for themselves, and you will have your win. I will admit defeat. It's as easy as that.


http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4623577
then in post 77 http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4623680
he posted
Well, to start you could supply the papers from which you got your graphs that supposedly support your points. In addition to that, any peer reviewed scientific papers published in reputable journals that reach a conclusions that climate change is a farce. No news pages, no articles, no conservative or liberal sites, real hard scientific research.

If you have trouble figuring out what you're looking for, an example would be something along the lines of this:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1365-2486.2001.00383.x/abstract;jsessionid=71A8F7F125872E37DB90FD24950A3086.f03t04?deniedAccessCustomisedMessage=&userIsAuthenticated=false


Except of course it won't be "drivel" because your almighty brain can clearly tell the difference XD

A good place to start looking would be google scholar, have fun ;)

http://scholar.google.ca



we are now on post 93 and you have misrepresented what he said twice in 15 posts, and or not read either of them or just changing goalposts again.

TK do not hold your breath




Tkman117 -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/21/2014 11:35:29 AM)

Oh trust me I'm not, I just like watching him squirm...must be the sadist in me [:D]




mnottertail -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/21/2014 11:36:24 AM)

I think they need alot of work, they are mostly wrong, they last occured during our last ice age, and supposedly occur every 1470 years, and well, lets just say its been awhile. And Germany is not TALKING about cutting the subsidies based on the rather dubious likelyhood of DOs.




GoddessManko -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/21/2014 11:43:13 AM)

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus Darn liberal NASA scientists...and the 97% of scientists who are also clueless liberals... :)
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mnottertail -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/21/2014 11:45:08 AM)

only the 'conservatives' have a clue because they do not believe in the liberally biased education.Faux tells em, and by god they been taught. 




Tkman117 -> RE: Germany cutting Green Energy subsidies (1/21/2014 11:45:25 AM)

And it's not like he can inist NASA is wrong, because according to him, they've already admitted their mistake XD

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I've said that even the IPCC and NASA have admitted that their modelling of absorption by CO2 is incorrect - and their model of aerosol contribution to global temperatures .. is wrong.


Sadly he didn't provide a link to where they admitted this, but I'm not too surprised, he continues to have troubles with this so I've learned not to expect too much from him.




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