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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/30/2014 12:58:44 PM   
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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/30/2014 2:59:13 PM   
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Learn to use the quote formatting properly and these mistakes will not happen.

You need an open [ quote ] at the beginning of what you want to quote and then a [ /quote ] at the end of the snippet. No spaces like in my examples though. You can do this for each section you want the quote box around.

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Because you cant use quotes properly, it appears that you said it........in post 188
Quite understandable too.

This isn't the first time he has done this.
And he is so far off track as to be absurd.



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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/30/2014 5:53:36 PM   
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Not at all a huge assumption and driven only by fear of losing our constitutional rights. Past actions and the words of the gun grabbers themselves more than show "it's a start" means a start to severely restricting citizens access to firearms.

I myself have made that statement; on one of these threads if I am not mistaken, and never once did it mean anything about taking away guns or even severely restricting citizen access to them.

Banning common semi automatics or restricting magazine capacity isn't useful but I asked you first, what would you suggest ? And while your at it I'm curious to know what you think an "assault weapon " is. I still think you're being naive.

I have made suggestions in other threads such as no loopholes for gun shows, allowing the authorities to flag people who have been deemed dangerous. And end to the "open carry" foolishness, stricter penalties for gun owners who allow their guns to fall into the hands of children who then shoot themselves or others. Funding for free basic gun safety (and gun law) classes for gun owners. Incentives for gun owners who agree to take those safety classes.

Do you want my definition of an assault weapon as it was taught to me in the Army or do you want the Federal Government's definition that was used when they ordered the range officer to put a device on my M16 that stopped it from firing automatic?





Well then you know, in technical terms there is no such thing as an "assault weapon" unless of course you're referring to an assault rifle. As you well know, an assault rifle is a design concept, they're select fire, medium range and light weight.

You may not have meant anything severe stating "it's a start" but Clinton did when he damn near succeeded in banning a crap load of semi automatic firearms. He certainly threw a monkey wrench into market for more than 10 years. As you and I both know, an AR 15 is no more "assault" than any other common semi auto aside from the looks of the gun itself. It's the looks of these guns though that confuse the general public and why the gun grabbers call them "assault weapons". These are the firearms being targeted by the gun grab as of now but IMO these guys will try to ban, curtail, and restrict anything they can no matter what it is. Anything they can is a good start.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/30/2014 6:39:05 PM   
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www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/21/1172661/-How-to-Ban

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/30/2014 6:41:10 PM   
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Nobody needs to have a handgun in America — period


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By Jack Lessenberry

Published: December 19, 2012


Nobody needs to have a handgun in America.

Nobody needs to have guns in their home, period.

That should be the starting point for any discussion about gun control in our insanely murderous society.

Any other position is equivalent to arguing, as "moderates" did in the 1850s, that we ought to slowly phase out slavery, that even though everybody "knew" Negroes were clearly inferior to whites, slavery no longer made sense.

Slavery was never right. Nor is putting weapons of mass destruction where any person can effortlessly get them.

Someday, if these United States ever happen to approach something close to civilization, we will look back on those now defending the right to carry concealed weapons much as we today regard Nazi "theoreticians" like Joseph Goebbels.

Nobody, apart from the police, needs to walk around with guns. What about guns for target shooters and hunters? Fine. Long as they keep them locked away at the club or lodge.

Nobody needs guns in their homes. When the entire story surrounding the Connecticut elementary school massacre is sorted out, many will blame the mother of the shooter.

She knew her son was emotionally disturbed, and yet apparently kept a collection of deadly, high-powered weapons in her house. Last Friday, Sonny went off like a rabid pit bull.

First he killed Mommy, and then went to the local elementary school, where he was a first-grader about 1998. There he shot six adults and pumped as many as eleven shots each into the heads of 20 children who were 6 and 7 years old.

Then he killed himself.

None of this would have been possible if he hadn't had access to those guns. At most, he might have killed Mommy, or some other person, with a butcher knife.

Incidentally, I am not mentioning the killer's name. People who do these things seem to want to be famous, want to be remembered. They don't deserve to be.

We have to stop this, now. We began last year with six people dying and a congresswoman's career being ended by one sick bastard with a gun, and we are ending this year with a pile of brutally torn apart babies all because of our guns.

Stopping this will be hard. We have spent years being deluded and deluding ourselves that guns make us "safe."

Bullshit. Guns make us dead. Yes, I am sure there are a handful of people who have saved themselves because they had guns. But far more have shot Poppa by mistake.

Five years ago, according to government records, gun violence killed 3,067 American children and teens. Japan, which has more than a third of our population, had 47.

Forty-seven gun deaths of all ages, that is.

Year after year, we've listened to the paranoid fantasies from the gun nuts. They need their guns to defend themselves, they hint darkly, against some political conspiracy. Right. If the Navy Seals ever did arrive to take you out, your pistol would be worthless. We've been held hostage too long by the National Rifle Association, which columnist Michael Tomasky correctly calls the National More Dead Children Association.

Far too many Americans still cling neurotically to the instruments of death. They were still scrubbing the brains off the walls of Sandy Hook school when I got a message from a lunatic named Scot Beaton.

Beaton, a former Rochester Hills councilman, knows what the problem was: The teachers were really to blame because they weren't armed to the teeth themselves!

His solution: Give 'em training and give 'em guns "and allow those educators with concealed pistol licenses to bring their gun to school." That's really brilliant, though I don't know why this wimp wants to stop there. Every one of those slaughtered children should have been issued a Glock.

By not arming their babies, their parents must be terribly unfit in Beaton's eyes. Well, anyone who wants to make this nation Afghanistan has to admire Scot Beaton, though a far better solution would be to send him there.

This would-be suburban Sun Tzu also quoted another homicide enabler, one Steve Dulan, the lawyer for something laughingly called the "Michigan Coalition of Responsible Gun Owners" who said, "If you have pistol-free zones they are actually mass murder empowerment zones."

Funny, I never thought of a maternity ward that way. Do we really want to live in a country these creatures would create?

Well, we are about to find out what our governor thinks. In the dying days of a lame-duck legislative session mostly devoted to screwing the workers, the wingnuts in the Legislature also passed a law that would allow those permitted to carry concealed weapons to take them into elementary schools. Plus sports arenas and churches, synagogues and mosques. Supposedly, this is to make people safer.

Police and other trained law enforcement experts don't agree. They don't want vigilantes blasting away. They know that means far more dead innocents than bad guys.

Now, the question is: Will Gov. Rick Snyder, former alleged moderate, sign this legislation? By the time you read this column, you may know the answer.

Last week, with the brains and blood of a score of children still coating the walls of their classrooms, our governor said the massacre gave him "serious pause" and made him wonder if allowing people to take guns into classrooms is "appropriate."


From the Detroit Metro Times, the link wouldn't work so here is the whole thing



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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/30/2014 8:52:54 PM   
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I'm just wondering on something, given the reason I kept a shotgun right near the door when I lived out where the desert transitions into the grasslands, and the reason I have been known to put a handgun in the pocket of a hoodie when I take the dogs for a long walk.

Why do all the anti-gun folks assume that the only possible target for a bullet is another human being?



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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/31/2014 4:14:00 AM   
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Not at all a huge assumption and driven only by fear of losing our constitutional rights. Past actions and the words of the gun grabbers themselves more than show "it's a start" means a start to severely restricting citizens access to firearms.

I myself have made that statement; on one of these threads if I am not mistaken, and never once did it mean anything about taking away guns or even severely restricting citizen access to them.

Banning common semi automatics or restricting magazine capacity isn't useful but I asked you first, what would you suggest ? And while your at it I'm curious to know what you think an "assault weapon " is. I still think you're being naive.

I have made suggestions in other threads such as no loopholes for gun shows, allowing the authorities to flag people who have been deemed dangerous. And end to the "open carry" foolishness, stricter penalties for gun owners who allow their guns to fall into the hands of children who then shoot themselves or others. Funding for free basic gun safety (and gun law) classes for gun owners. Incentives for gun owners who agree to take those safety classes.

Do you want my definition of an assault weapon as it was taught to me in the Army or do you want the Federal Government's definition that was used when they ordered the range officer to put a device on my M16 that stopped it from firing automatic?





Well then you know, in technical terms there is no such thing as an "assault weapon" unless of course you're referring to an assault rifle. As you well know, an assault rifle is a design concept, they're select fire, medium range and light weight.

You may not have meant anything severe stating "it's a start" but Clinton did when he damn near succeeded in banning a crap load of semi automatic firearms. He certainly threw a monkey wrench into market for more than 10 years. As you and I both know, an AR 15 is no more "assault" than any other common semi auto aside from the looks of the gun itself. It's the looks of these guns though that confuse the general public and why the gun grabbers call them "assault weapons". These are the firearms being targeted by the gun grab as of now but IMO these guys will try to ban, curtail, and restrict anything they can no matter what it is. Anything they can is a good start.


You will see no where that I have advocated banning any guns. My point was and is, that the Feinstein comment was not about taking ALL guns. The comment was deliberately taken out of context and skewed to cause fear mongering amongst gun enthusiasts. IMO that is all this talk about a total ban on all guns is - fear mongering for profiteering. It would take repealing the 2nd Amendment and that would take at least 37 states approving it. At present time I cannot think of one single state that would ratify that. So it is not even a valid concern.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/31/2014 4:40:34 AM   
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A common tactic MsMJAY. I have never suggested banning all guns either.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/31/2014 8:19:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin
Not at all a huge assumption and driven only by fear of losing our constitutional rights. Past actions and the words of the gun grabbers themselves more than show "it's a start" means a start to severely restricting citizens access to firearms.

I myself have made that statement; on one of these threads if I am not mistaken, and never once did it mean anything about taking away guns or even severely restricting citizen access to them.

Banning common semi automatics or restricting magazine capacity isn't useful but I asked you first, what would you suggest ? And while your at it I'm curious to know what you think an "assault weapon " is. I still think you're being naive.

I have made suggestions in other threads such as no loopholes for gun shows, allowing the authorities to flag people who have been deemed dangerous. And end to the "open carry" foolishness, stricter penalties for gun owners who allow their guns to fall into the hands of children who then shoot themselves or others. Funding for free basic gun safety (and gun law) classes for gun owners. Incentives for gun owners who agree to take those safety classes.

Do you want my definition of an assault weapon as it was taught to me in the Army or do you want the Federal Government's definition that was used when they ordered the range officer to put a device on my M16 that stopped it from firing automatic?





Well then you know, in technical terms there is no such thing as an "assault weapon" unless of course you're referring to an assault rifle. As you well know, an assault rifle is a design concept, they're select fire, medium range and light weight.

You may not have meant anything severe stating "it's a start" but Clinton did when he damn near succeeded in banning a crap load of semi automatic firearms. He certainly threw a monkey wrench into market for more than 10 years. As you and I both know, an AR 15 is no more "assault" than any other common semi auto aside from the looks of the gun itself. It's the looks of these guns though that confuse the general public and why the gun grabbers call them "assault weapons". These are the firearms being targeted by the gun grab as of now but IMO these guys will try to ban, curtail, and restrict anything they can no matter what it is. Anything they can is a good start.


You will see no where that I have advocated banning any guns. My point was and is, that the Feinstein comment was not about taking ALL guns. The comment was deliberately taken out of context and skewed to cause fear mongering amongst gun enthusiasts. IMO that is all this talk about a total ban on all guns is - fear mongering for profiteering. It would take repealing the 2nd Amendment and that would take at least 37 states approving it. At present time I cannot think of one single state that would ratify that. So it is not even a valid concern.

Ca would ratify it in a heartbeat, most likely NY, only need 35 more.


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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/31/2014 8:20:52 AM   
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You will see no where that I have advocated banning any guns.

No you have not.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/31/2014 9:23:42 AM   
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You will see no where that I have advocated banning any guns. My point was and is, that the Feinstein comment was not about taking ALL guns. The comment was deliberately taken out of context and skewed to cause fear mongering amongst gun enthusiasts. IMO that is all this talk about a total ban on all guns is - fear mongering for profiteering. It would take repealing the 2nd Amendment and that would take at least 37 states approving it. At present time I cannot think of one single state that would ratify that. So it is not even a valid concern.


She'd do it if she could but she certainly means an entire class of firearms as Clinton tried to ban and all the rest of the anti gun politicians would like to do away with. Opposition to this type of legislation has little or nothing to do with profiteering.

You can add Illinios to the ones that Bama mentioned and a hand full of others.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/31/2014 9:29:11 AM   
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A common tactic MsMJAY. I have never suggested banning all guns either.


You've certainly suggested the UK model. That's bad enough.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/31/2014 9:33:08 AM   
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You will see no where that I have advocated banning any guns. My point was and is, that the Feinstein comment was not about taking ALL guns. The comment was deliberately taken out of context and skewed to cause fear mongering amongst gun enthusiasts. IMO that is all this talk about a total ban on all guns is - fear mongering for profiteering. It would take repealing the 2nd Amendment and that would take at least 37 states approving it. At present time I cannot think of one single state that would ratify that. So it is not even a valid concern.


She'd do it if she could but she certainly means an entire class of firearms as Clinton tried to ban and all the rest of the anti gun politicians would like to do away with. Opposition to this type of legislation has little or nothing to do with profiteering.

You can add Illinios to the ones that Bama mentioned and a hand full of others.

You can add to this the widespread contention among leftists that the 2nd does not apply to individuals.
With this line of thought and one more Supreme Court justice who thinks this way and an amendment would not be needed.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/31/2014 9:45:12 AM   
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Well, with the many rightists running around like chicken little with their heads cut off and screaming Obama is trying to take your guns away, while the bulk of 2nd amendment restrictions have come from rightist since 1968.....................uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, who fuckin cares?

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/31/2014 9:54:41 AM   
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In 1989, then President George H.W. Bush issued an executive order halting the importation of some semi-automatic firearms after a mass school shooting Stockton, California. He based his executive order on the 1968 Gun Control Act and used it to ban the shipment of what could be considered “assault weapons” unless they were used for sporting purposes. (Question: Did the free republic cease to exist then?)

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/31/2014 9:55:53 AM   
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Well, with the many rightists running around like chicken little with their heads cut off and screaming Obama is trying to take your guns away, while the bulk of 2nd amendment restrictions have come from rightist since 1968.....................uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, who fuckin cares?

Never mentioned Obama once.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/31/2014 9:59:19 AM   
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Yeah, you were widespreading about something.

And agian, who fuckin cares?


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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/31/2014 10:22:11 AM   
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All the class I have come to expect of you.

your expectations are none of my concern.


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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/31/2014 10:24:41 AM   
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In 1989, then President George H.W. Bush issued an executive order halting the importation of some semi-automatic firearms after a mass school shooting Stockton, California. He based his executive order on the 1968 Gun Control Act and used it to ban the shipment of what could be considered “assault weapons” unless they were used for sporting purposes. (Question: Did the free republic cease to exist then?)

The fact that he was a Republican didn't make it right, incremental steps, not all with the same intent.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/31/2014 10:25:45 AM   
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All the class I have come to expect of you.

your expectations are none of my concern.


What a surprise.

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