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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/29/2014 7:41:44 AM   
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There are national organizations (opencarry.org) as well as several state specific organizations who are advocating open carry. There are at least 15 states that permit open carry without a license. About 15 more allow it with a license.

When people are being murdered by idiots under the circumstances I just named, its really not making more hey out of it than it deserves. It deserves some "hey."

Reducing the number of rounds was not a suggestion of mine. It would not effect me one way or the other. If I need more than seven rounds I am either up against too many people to make it out alive or I just need to spend more time at the range, because I am bad shot.

Reagan signed the Mulford Act of 1967. He had the full support of the NRA.
The NRA supported the Gun Control Act of 1968
It was not until 1975 that the NRA first began changing their position to anti gun control.

My suggestion is the NRA and its supporters should decide what gun control measures (if any) they would support. I don't think that the NRA has offered even one suggestion other than "buy more guns." Of course with billions of dollars at stake, what else is there to say?
While I have looked into CC laws, I have to say you blew me away when you said; "There are at least 15 states that permit open carry without a license." I thought 15, oh that's an exaggeration, maybe Texas and found out that Texas is one of the few states that doesn't allow some form of open carry.
Here is some interesting information on open carry I found:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_carry

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/29/2014 7:46:03 AM   
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Legalize drugs, starve the thugs.
I'd vote for that.
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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/29/2014 7:56:13 AM   
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You also said it should be in a gun safe, that makes it inaccessible to her unless she gets to call time out.


*face palm*

Alright let's try this again and make sure that lobotomy is set to off this will require remembering a very few simple things in order to produce a train of thought.

Heretic made the claim that "basic safety dictates that she know how to safely handle it" in reference to the couple in the news article.

I contested that, I don't think it's actually a requirement of basic gun safety.

Heretic presented his own relationship as an anecdote to back his position.

I'm happy that worked for him and I'm teaching my girl to shoot as well. However, I don't think that's the only solution for basic safety or that everyone is cut out to use a gun (I'm not into the one twue way stuff).

Ergo I've been asking aren't there other alternatives besides everyone in a house being able to handle a gun? Because otherwise the guy in the news story will need to get rid of his gun and drive around with large quantities of cash without it.
Everybody and I mean everybody, no exceptions, in a home with a gun should be trained in gun safety. If not, there should not be a gun in the house.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/29/2014 8:01:01 AM   
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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/29/2014 8:05:53 AM   
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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/29/2014 8:07:56 AM   
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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/29/2014 8:08:29 AM   
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Most gun owners don't have a problem with laws and restrictions. Its irrational useless draconian gun laws we're apposed to.

Some of us gun owners (like myself) are in full support of laws and restrictions. Its the ones who don't want any restrictions that are keeping gun laws from being passed. Much of this is being fueled by the NRA and gun dealers who do not want to see a decrease in their sales.

It seems you are in agreement here, I'm pretty sure, since you are a gun owner, that if the law was turn in your guns, no more personally gun ownership, you probably wouldn't be in full support of it and that is the sort of "irrational useless draconian gun laws" he was talking about.
;-)


Well as of yet I have not heard any politicians advocate turning in all of your guns. If you know of any who are supporting that please name them. I will personally do my part to see that they don't get re-elected. That type of extremist foolishness is just the sort of irrelevant fear mongering being used to increase gun sales and that is what is keeping a logical discussion about guns in this country from happening. Yes I know Obama is going to take away all of our guns. I've heard it all for the last 5 years he has been in office and he still has not done shit for or about gun control.
You are correct, no one is saying that at this time but it seems that as more and more ineffective restrictive laws are passed the more restrictive laws that are ineffective are wanted, till the only thing that is left is a total ban on guns.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/29/2014 8:12:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		As did mine. As I stated earlier, perhaps on a different thread that even if I wasn't a gun owner my children would have been educated. I don't know what other people have in their homes and there are too many accidental shootings of children by children.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/29/2014 8:27:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles


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Most gun owners don't have a problem with laws and restrictions. Its irrational useless draconian gun laws we're apposed to.

Some of us gun owners (like myself) are in full support of laws and restrictions. Its the ones who don't want any restrictions that are keeping gun laws from being passed. Much of this is being fueled by the NRA and gun dealers who do not want to see a decrease in their sales.

It seems you are in agreement here, I'm pretty sure, since you are a gun owner, that if the law was turn in your guns, no more personally gun ownership, you probably wouldn't be in full support of it and that is the sort of "irrational useless draconian gun laws" he was talking about.
;-)


Well as of yet I have not heard any politicians advocate turning in all of your guns. If you know of any who are supporting that please name them. I will personally do my part to see that they don't get re-elected. That type of extremist foolishness is just the sort of irrelevant fear mongering being used to increase gun sales and that is what is keeping a logical discussion about guns in this country from happening. Yes I know Obama is going to take away all of our guns. I've heard it all for the last 5 years he has been in office and he still has not done shit for or about gun control.
You are correct, no one is saying that at this time but it seems that as more and more ineffective restrictive laws are passed the more restrictive laws that are ineffective are wanted, till the only thing that is left is a total ban on guns.



Again, that sort of talk is nothing but unsubstantiated fear mongering. No one is trying to totally ban guns.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/29/2014 10:55:31 AM   
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Again, that sort of talk is nothing but unsubstantiated fear mongering. No one is trying to totally ban guns.


That's not at all unsubstantiated. The gun grabbers will respond to rebuttals on how useless their gun control proposals are with "we'll......it's a start".
If they could get every single semi automatic and all hand guns, it would satisfy them for awhile but only until they figure out what a high power bolt action hunting rifle or a 12 gauge pump action can do.


Dianne Feinstein: "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them..............Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in, I would have done it."

I think you're being a bit naive.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/29/2014 11:01:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		And you naiver than feinstein, if she could get 51 votes in the senate (which she cant) then she would have to get 218 in the house, for the same deal (which she cant).

It aint happening. 

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/29/2014 11:04:03 AM   
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And you naiver than feinstein, if she could get 51 votes in the senate (which she cant) then she would have to get 218 in the house, for the same deal (which she cant).

It aint happening. 


The point is, that is their goal and there is a whole lot of useless crap that could happen in the meantime.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/29/2014 11:21:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, useless crap.  Obamacare will be repealed before anyone can take your guns away.  It would require an amendment to the constitution.


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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/29/2014 11:29:08 AM   
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the Zimmerman thing
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Personally, I believe that Zimmerman should be behind bars.
The stand your ground law is for those who are minding their own business and are attacked.
Zimmerman was not out on a casual evening walk, he loaded up a gun and took it with him to "patrol the neighborhood", basically looking for trouble. When he called it in, instead of doing what he was told to do and let the police handle it, instead of walking away he decided to confront the young man. Thus He precipitated the whole confrontation and when it escalated, he shot and killed the young man. Zimmerman had any number of ways to avert the situation but took none of them and so this was in no way a case of self-defense.



I think you need to go back and review the facts.

First off it wasn't a stand your ground case. He didn't load up a gun looking for trouble, he has a permit and always kept it with him. He didn't go out on patrol, he was on his way back from the store when he noticed Martin. He wasn't told to let the police handle it, he was told he didn't need to follow Martin. He didn't confront the young man, the young man confronted him. He may have precipitated the confrontation by being obvious, following Martin, but Martin would not have been shot had he not pummeled Zimmerman. I will agree that Zimmerman is a dumb ass for being less than stealthy while trying to follow but I can't find any laws against that. IMO the incident was an unfortunate freak of nature.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/29/2014 11:33:19 AM   
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Yeah, useless crap.  Obamacare will be repealed before anyone can take your guns away.  It would require an amendment to the constitution.



Lets hope Obamacare will be repealed. I agree it would take a constitutional amendment. I wish the gun grabbers agreed with that too.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/29/2014 11:36:12 AM   
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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/29/2014 11:38:19 AM   
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Lets hope they euthanize the slobbering nutsackers, accross this country.   They believe it too.


Euthanize the liberals ?? I don't think I would go that far.

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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/29/2014 12:19:37 PM   
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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/29/2014 1:22:14 PM   
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That's not at all unsubstantiated. The gun grabbers will respond to rebuttals on how useless their gun control proposals are with "we'll......it's a start".
If they could get every single semi automatic and all hand guns, it would satisfy them for awhile but only until they figure out what a high power bolt action hunting rifle or a 12 gauge pump action can do.


Dianne Feinstein: "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them..............Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in, I would have done it."

People driven by fear might think when someone says "its a start" they mean a start to repealing the 2nd Amendment and not mean its a start to trying to reduce the number of senseless deaths. ETA - (that is quite a huge assumption to make.)

If you think the gun control proposals are useless, yet:
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I'm in support of gun laws and restrictions
as you stated in post #119; what exactly are your suggestions for gun laws and restrictions?

The Feinstein quote was made on February 5, 1995 during a "60 minutes" interview and it was concerning one type of weapon that she was asked about - assault weapons. Those very words were taken and misrepresented so that the NRA could scare their supporters into believing Feinstein is trying to ban all guns. This resulted in members donating more money. (Gee, what a surprise.) Just what I said - fear mongering. But of course its me who is being naïve. On with the body count.




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RE: N C home invasion shows that NC is civilized state - 1/29/2014 1:59:07 PM   
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People driven by fear might think when someone says "its a start" they mean a start to repealing the 2nd Amendment and not mean its a start to trying to reduce the number of senseless deaths. ETA - (that is quite a huge assumption to make.)


Not at all a huge assumption and driven only by fear of losing our constitutional rights. Past actions and the words of the gun grabbers themselves more than show "it's a start" means a start to severely restricting citizens access to firearms.


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If you think the gun control proposals are useless, yet:
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I'm in support of gun laws and restrictions
as you stated in post #119; what exactly are your suggestions for gun laws and restrictions?


I'm in favor of laws that are not useless. Shoring up the background check data base or eliminating non licensed dealers to set up tables at gun shows. Maybe we should rethink drug laws though I'm sure the gang bangers will find some other reason to shoot each other and incidentally the source of most of the gun violence. Try maybe enforcing useful laws we already have and target violent thugs to get them off the street. Banning common semi automatics or restricting magazine capacity isn't useful but I asked you first, what would you suggest ? And while your at it I'm curious to know what you think an "assault weapon " is. I still think you're being naive.


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