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RE: The Religious Right should support gay marriage - 1/28/2014 4:34:14 PM

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Hillwilliam for Pope!

Y'all heard recently about that nun that got pregnant...named the boy after the Pope...."Francis"?

How long has he been Pope?

(Hmmmmm?)

That boy hasn't ever been Pope: he's just named after the current guy's Popename...

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RE: The Religious Right should support gay marriage - 1/28/2014 4:34:23 PM

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Hang with me on this one, OK?

First, there is good evidence of a genetic component to sexual preference.
Why are these alleles passed down and some even say increasing?
It's quite simple. For centuries, religious and social persecution forced gays and lesbians into heterosexual relationships. They may have been utterly miserable but these relationships frequently produced children. These children would typically be straight but would carry the genetic component.

By fighting against gay marriage, the Religious extremists are unthinkingly (how unusual) promoting the reproduction and even increase of these alleles.

Religious extremists, if you want same sex behavior to decrease over time, then you need to support same sex marriage.
Allow these people to marry the one they love.
Rejoice in their happiness.
What they do or don't do in the bedroom is no one's business but theirs.
Love the sinner and, if you must, only hate the sin.
Remember, same sex relationships don't produce biological children.

Give these people the same rights, responsibilities and wishes for happiness that you give your heterosexual friends.

Your life and spirit will be richer for it and in a few dozen generations, maybe the behavior you hate will decrease.

First of all....thanks for the new woid...never heard of an allele before.

Second...yes...of course...absolutely.

Third...why the FUCK would you think the religious right would think you're even remotely sane?

Fourth....I just discovered that using my Bettie Page coasters, face up, is a really bad move.

Thank you for re-posting this, Lookie.

What this little diatribe ignores is that with all the advancements in medical science, homosexual couples can procreate. Granted, they can't do so with one another but with artificial insemination, egg donation, etc., one person in a couple (who - if we accept the opening premise - has this "gay gene") can pass the genetic marker to their offspring.

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RE: The Religious Right should support gay marriage - 1/28/2014 4:38:17 PM

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And they have less right to procreate than middle aged women who also need a technological intervention to bring a kid to term?

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RE: The Religious Right should support gay marriage - 1/28/2014 4:50:10 PM

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I don't see one genetic or scholarly study to suggest the original premise of this post. None are cited, nor do any credible such studies actually exist. There are over 70,000 genes and cyto-genes; we've not touched on a lot. To purport that there is evidence at all of something that may or may not have been recently mapped or discovered could affect human behavior such as sexuality is premature.

I agree with the OP's political sentiments but his Mendelian genetics are hopelessly dated. One on one allele to phenotype relationships are okay for pea plants but totally simplistic when talking about human development and behavior where whatever genetic components may be present are influenced by gene duplication, DNA segment crossovers, 'jumping genes', uterine hormonal environment, epigenetic methylation, social/cultural environment, and maybe the phases of the moon as well as signs of the Zodiac.

There are physical differences in parts of the hypothalamus between straights and gays as described by neurobiologist Simon LeVay in 1991 But even LeVay had no evidence of the causes for these differences.

All credit to Hillwilliam I think he was just interested in making an important political point. Evangelical missions to Africa from the US are having a strong hostile impact on anti-gay attitudes and legislation on nations there.

Anyone interested in a lecture on this and on transgender brain differences can view a terrific lecture by Dr. Robert Sapolsky of Stanford University. I would suggest starting at 1:13 minutes of the video. He has a second lecture that goes into the details of hormonal influences you might watch if you have no team in the Super Bowl.

If anyone has info on genetic determiners of the gay/bi/straight spectrum I would be interested to know about it.

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RE: The Religious Right should support gay marriage - 1/28/2014 4:53:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Hillwilliam for Pope!

Y'all heard recently about that nun that got pregnant...named the boy after the Pope...."Francis"?

How long has he been Pope?

(Hmmmmm?)

Hmm...sounds like a porno waiting to happen, perhaps it would revive the industry. Hopefully there won't be any karma for that, LOL. <polytheistic comment :)

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RE: The Religious Right should support gay marriage - 1/28/2014 5:14:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

And they have less right to procreate than middle aged women who also need a technological intervention to bring a kid to term?

(Where did THAT come from?)

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RE: The Religious Right should support gay marriage - 1/28/2014 5:15:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Hillwilliam for Pope!

Y'all heard recently about that nun that got pregnant...named the boy after the Pope...."Francis"?

How long has he been Pope?

(Hmmmmm?)

Hmm...sounds like a porno waiting to happen, perhaps it would revive the industry. Hopefully there won't be any karma for that, LOL. <polytheistic comment :)

(Da's wut I wus tinking!!)

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RE: The Religious Right should support gay marriage - 1/28/2014 5:24:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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And they have less right to procreate than middle aged women who also need a technological intervention to bring a kid to term?

(Where did THAT come from?)

The bizarre rant my post was answering: all of that nonsense about how this new fangled medical technology makes it possible for homosexuals to have kids so that their undesirable gay genes aren't removed from the gene pool. DaddySatyr seems to regard that as deeply wrong, so I thought I'd just remind him that there's straight people who can't breed without medical intervention as well.

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RE: The Religious Right should support gay marriage - 1/28/2014 5:25:05 PM

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OMG.

Well, duh. IF the religious right were operating on logical principles, yes, your post would make sense to them.

But that's not what we're dealing with, is it…..

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RE: The Religious Right should support gay marriage - 1/28/2014 5:38:57 PM

GoddessManko

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Hang with me on this one, OK?

First, there is good evidence of a genetic component to sexual preference.
Why are these alleles passed down and some even say increasing?
It's quite simple. For centuries, religious and social persecution forced gays and lesbians into heterosexual relationships. They may have been utterly miserable but these relationships frequently produced children. These children would typically be straight but would carry the genetic component.

By fighting against gay marriage, the Religious extremists are unthinkingly (how unusual) promoting the reproduction and even increase of these alleles.

Religious extremists, if you want same sex behavior to decrease over time, then you need to support same sex marriage.
Allow these people to marry the one they love.
Rejoice in their happiness.
What they do or don't do in the bedroom is no one's business but theirs.
Love the sinner and, if you must, only hate the sin.
Remember, same sex relationships don't produce biological children.

Give these people the same rights, responsibilities and wishes for happiness that you give your heterosexual friends.

Your life and spirit will be richer for it and in a few dozen generations, maybe the behavior you hate will decrease.

First of all....thanks for the new woid...never heard of an allele before.

Second...yes...of course...absolutely.

Third...why the FUCK would you think the religious right would think you're even remotely sane?

Fourth....I just discovered that using my Bettie Page coasters, face up, is a really bad move.

Thank you for re-posting this, Lookie.

What this little diatribe ignores is that with all the advancements in medical science, homosexual couples can procreate. Granted, they can't do so with one another but with artificial insemination, egg donation, etc., one person in a couple (who - if we accept the opening premise - has this "gay gene") can pass the genetic marker to their offspring.

The unfortunate thing here is that there are plenty of children who may be abusive, be abandoned, be traumatized, be hurt by the very people who are supposed to protect them, and people are being judged based on their sexual preference.
The American Psychiatric Association CLEARLY stated that homosexual parents are just as capable of heterosexuals.
There's no real basis for not allowing them to marry, plenty of jerks do. :)
https://www.apa.org/news/press/response/gay-parents.aspx

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RE: The Religious Right should support gay marriage - 1/28/2014 6:30:05 PM

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As a gay church lady, I see one major problem with "religious right" support for same-sex marriage: It may drive the Almighty to the opposite view.

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RE: The Religious Right should support gay marriage - 1/28/2014 6:42:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Hang with me on this one, OK?

First, there is good evidence of a genetic component to sexual preference.
Why are these alleles passed down and some even say increasing?
It's quite simple. For centuries, religious and social persecution forced gays and lesbians into heterosexual relationships. They may have been utterly miserable but these relationships frequently produced children. These children would typically be straight but would carry the genetic component.

By fighting against gay marriage, the Religious extremists are unthinkingly (how unusual) promoting the reproduction and even increase of these alleles.

Religious extremists, if you want same sex behavior to decrease over time, then you need to support same sex marriage.
Allow these people to marry the one they love.
Rejoice in their happiness.
What they do or don't do in the bedroom is no one's business but theirs.
Love the sinner and, if you must, only hate the sin.
Remember, same sex relationships don't produce biological children.

Give these people the same rights, responsibilities and wishes for happiness that you give your heterosexual friends.

Your life and spirit will be richer for it and in a few dozen generations, maybe the behavior you hate will decrease.

First of all....thanks for the new woid...never heard of an allele before.

Second...yes...of course...absolutely.

Third...why the FUCK would you think the religious right would think you're even remotely sane?

Fourth....I just discovered that using my Bettie Page coasters, face up, is a really bad move.

Thank you for re-posting this, Lookie.

What this little diatribe ignores is that with all the advancements in medical science, homosexual couples can procreate. Granted, they can't do so with one another but with artificial insemination, egg donation, etc., one person in a couple (who - if we accept the opening premise - has this "gay gene") can pass the genetic marker to their offspring.

(It's my gift....to all).

(I do what I can).

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RE: The Religious Right should support gay marriage - 1/28/2014 7:13:47 PM

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What's the US Far Right's position on humping animals? Come to think of it, I don't even know what the Bible's position is on this.

Exodus 22:19: “Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal is to be put to death.

If memory serves the animal is also to be put to death.

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RE: The Religious Right should support gay marriage - 1/28/2014 7:29:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: GoddessManko

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
Y'all heard recently about that nun that got pregnant...named the boy after the Pope...."Francis"?

How long has he been Pope?

(Hmmmmm?)

Hmm...sounds like a porno waiting to happen, perhaps it would revive the industry. Hopefully there won't be any karma for that, LOL. <polytheistic comment :)

Well the whole celibacy thing's a lie, the clergy's fucking like bunnies.

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ORIGINAL: http://ncronline.org/blogs/examining-crisis/secret-sex-celibate-system
Several modern studies have used various methods to measure the degree of celibate observance. No researcher so far has assessed that more than 50 percent of Roman Catholic clergy at any one time are in fact practicing celibacy.

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RE: The Religious Right should support gay marriage - 1/28/2014 7:33:02 PM

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you give any church enough money they will religion now days is how rich a preacher can get

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RE: The Religious Right should support gay marriage - 1/28/2014 8:14:37 PM

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That would be Oklahoma

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There`s a red state,I forget which one,where their nutters say they would rather end all marriages ,all together, rather then allow gays to marry.

I'm really wondering what they think that would buy them? I mean the moment the government gets out of marriage everybody who wants to get married will.

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RE: The Religious Right should support gay marriage - 1/29/2014 9:05:13 AM

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You've missed his point, which is "same sex relationships don't produce biological children" - so let them marry and they won't pass down their alleles.

I think you missed my point...letting truly gays marry will make no difference at all because truly gay men on the whole will not have sex with women marriage or not... Where Bi's will anyway... so marriage will have no bearing on the passing of genes...Even IF there is a gay gene.

Butch

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RE: The Religious Right should support gay marriage - 1/29/2014 10:26:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

FR

What's the US Far Right's position on humping animals? Come to think of it, I don't even know what the Bible's position is on this.

Exodus 22:19: “Anyone who has sexual relations with an animal is to be put to death.

If memory serves the animal is also to be put to death.

Well sure. That's reasonable. The girl beast was wearing short skirts and enticed the man.

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RE: The Religious Right should support gay marriage - 1/29/2014 10:33:35 AM

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You've missed his point, which is "same sex relationships don't produce biological children" - so let them marry and they won't pass down their alleles.

I think you missed my point...letting truly gays marry will make no difference at all because truly gay men on the whole will not have sex with women marriage or not... Where Bi's will anyway... so marriage will have no bearing on the passing of genes...Even IF there is a gay gene.

Butch

I actually know quite a few gay women who are now in their 60's, but when they were in their 20's, felt obliged to marry men and have children. The OP's point is to allow gay marriage, and this won't happen.

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RE: The Religious Right should support gay marriage - 1/29/2014 12:14:36 PM

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It's quite simple. For centuries, religious and social persecution forced gays and lesbians into heterosexual relationships. They may have been utterly miserable but these relationships frequently produced children. These children would typically be straight but would carry the genetic component.

By fighting against gay marriage, the Religious extremists are unthinkingly (how unusual) promoting the reproduction and even increase of these alleles.

To the best of my knowledge, the only thing that has been established with certainty is that the incidence of male homosexuality has a significant correlation with birth order. The more older male siblings, the higher the probability of homosexuality becomes. And as the hyper-religious tend to have large families, the irony here is that they may be the primary source of the gays they abhor!

K.

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