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masterLon3446 -> RE: Lies In A Profile (12/10/2004 6:44:51 PM)

Ladies and Gentle,
I am so very appreciative of all the advice you have given me, As far as my weight is concerned, I am dieting and working my poor butt off, So, Maybe, I shall lose the excess weight? My age, well, I can do nothing about that, Nor would I, If I could. I have lived 29 years with a wonderful slave, I would not change anything. My Grammer, I am not college educated, I do not use magnanimous words, I am simple and to the point, I do not judge anyone because of their grammer or spelling. I try to look in thier hearts and minds..Dom/me, sub/slave and switches do not need to be articulate, To be real, It all comes from the same place, Your heart and soul..I wish you all a very good evening and again, I wish to thank each and everyone, For your advice.....

MasterLon




proudsub -> RE: Lies In A Profile (12/10/2004 9:20:16 PM)

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I am dieting and working my poor butt off, So, Maybe


Good luck MasterLon. Hubby and i have changed our way of eating permanently to the South Beach plan (good carbs, good fats and protein). He has lost 50lbs and i have lost 36 and we love this way of life.[:D]




MistressDyna -> RE: Lies In A Profile (12/11/2004 10:36:19 PM)

<<Why do (women/men) lie in thier profiles>>

1. to be something they'd like to be, but feel they can't really. (the hopeless)
2. to be something they think they are, although they aren't but don't know it. (the delusional or actors) (actors are forgiven if they confess) ;)
3. they have no intention of bringing their profile descriptions into the realm of reality and are just playing a game according to their own rules. (the antisocial)
4. they have no idea that anyone really cares about what they put 'out there', whether it be truth or fiction. (the Only Ones)

<I think sometimes people thing others are lying because both parties are working under different definitions of the same word or phrase. I think sometimes people thing others are lying because both parties are working under different definitions of the same word or phrase. >

Yes, it does seem that way. 'Service Oriented' is one that in my experiences seems to be regularly misdefined or not understood, as is the difference between sub and slave.

Mistress Dyna




perverseangelic -> RE: Lies In A Profile (12/11/2004 11:19:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MistressDyna
<I think sometimes people thing others are lying because both parties are working under different definitions of the same word or phrase. I think sometimes people thing others are lying because both parties are working under different definitions of the same word or phrase. >

Yes, it does seem that way. 'Service Oriented' is one that in my experiences seems to be regularly misdefined or not understood, as is the difference between sub and slave.

Mistress Dyna



This is exactly my point. There -isn't- a universal definition for "slave" "sub" or "service oriented."

You state that they are misdefined or misused, however they're only being misused by your definition of the terms.





MrThorns -> RE: Lies In A Profile (12/12/2004 8:15:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: masterLon3446

Why do women lie in thier profiles?
MasterLon


Some women lie in thir profiles for the exact same reasons that some men lie in their profiles. They are seeking acceptance from others at any cost... most often, the acceptance costs them their integrity.

Some women lie about their weight so they can be accepted by men who are concerned about her weight. Funny thing is...does she really want to be with someone who thinks that her weight is such a huge issue?

Some men lie about their cock size so they can be accepted by a woman who's primary concern is the size of his cock. I have yet to meet a woman who stated that size was a primary concern. (Yes...size does matter...but far less than intellect, sense of humor, and being a person of sound character.)

Its a vicious circle. The only cure is to always be honest about who you are.

~Thorns




Youtalkingtome -> RE: Lies In A Profile (12/12/2004 5:34:26 PM)

I have done a lot of research on personal ads over the last few years.
Most people lie.Men and women.And only about 10% of female ads that have pictures are real.Most want an email address for spam or want to get you to a pay site.
I joined this site with little to no expectations.
I don't think I can find an honest person on the internet that wants the same things that I do.
I can't be the only honest person on the internet but to find someone compatible and honest is hard to find.
I have found that most of the real ads are people that are already in a relationship and are looking to cheat or find a perfect match.But they don't want to give up on the relationship that they are in untill they find the perfect one.So they are cheating online.
I would like to find the woman for me on here but at this point I use personal ads as entertainment.Little to no hope.
I wish someone would prove me wrong.I am very seldom wrong about anything.
I try to research before I speak.I am not saying I know everything.I am not perfect.But I try to be a good man.And I have more important things to take up my time than to worry about spelling and propper grammer.That comes natural to people that write and or type all the time.Personal ads are the only time I type.I do not have a desk job.In defence of other bad spellers.[:D]
I am not bitching at anyone.Just the facts man.




alwayzron -> RE: Lies In A Profile (12/12/2004 5:53:15 PM)

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they write back "sorry your too old for me" or "your too big for me"

Sooooo .... you've "let yourself go" as you've grown older ...

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I have been in this lifestyle for 40 years, still I do not understand women.

Wise men have learned not to try ..... accept them as they are. To do otherwise will only drive a man insane

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I am a heterosexual male and do not look in their (mens) profiles.

And you're homophobic ..... Come on dude ... you don't look in men's profiles because you're hetero ??? That's a bit much ....

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Women ask for a picture, when one is sent, no more communication

Hmmmmm .... that should tell you something right there .....

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haven't even read them yet, but, they have been online almost everyday.

That should also tell you something. The clue phone is ringing ... answer it!

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just like that other site "AFF".

America's Funniest Families?

Was the whole purpose of your post to bitch about women? Or women who don't want to play with you? You sound to me like an overweight homophobe that's upset because no one will come out and play.




DRoseThorns -> RE: Lies In A Profile (12/12/2004 6:55:22 PM)

You are correct that there are alot of subs that seems to have special desires. I don't feel that they are really looking for us as much as pleasing themselves.
Don't give up. Sometimes the best of worth the waiting......Be well




DRoseThorns -> RE: Lies In A Profile (12/12/2004 6:56:46 PM)

A bit harsh for a sub now. Lack of training is showing.....




MistressDREAD -> RE: Lies In A Profile (12/14/2004 9:16:33 PM)

alwazyron

A little respect for a Dom
showing His feelings. If
there is any humiliatin to go
around it will be Me doing it.

or maybe you would like to show
a little bit more of your
worthless ugly lookin selfs
words.... You mean
this rons a sub?
Ohh pleazeeee
more like a smuk.

It is very hard to
have been in a long
term relationship
that ended and that
was started in another
time and place to only
come out to the world
again and find it is
totally different and
weird looking and not
what You remember
from the past. Take
Your time Lon and
dont let the playya
playya's get to Ya.
There are some of
US WOMAN out here
whom are both
Honest, Honorable and
have truthfull profiles.

Keep lookin~~




stormie -> RE: Lies In A Profile (12/16/2004 10:05:28 PM)

~soft smiles~

Greetings E/everyone.
I too am a real person with no lies. For Lies get you nothing. Once you lie about something as small as putting information in a Profile, then What does that say about you? I can be Long winded at times, that's a given. But will keep this note short. I Wanted to just say this, That in my profile as well as Journal...Everything is Truth. I am not out to impress no one or anyone. To put it simple...I am just that..Me...nothing more and Nothing less.

Kinda new to posting on the message boards. So please Bare With me.
I want to thank You for taking the time to read and learn from what other's have said...I was also taught to never caste a stone at someone else, for they are temted to toss it back.

Blessed Be.
Well Wishes,
Stormie




darkinshadows -> RE: Lies In A Profile (12/17/2004 3:53:11 AM)

There was a Man once, a 'Dominant' who lied. He had a photograph that was not Him, yet He claimed it was... He was married, yet claimed He was single. Two very basic lies. Inside, this man was beautiful... He had a heart, He was kind... He was caring. The problem was that whilst He was lying, He fell in 'love' with a girl. A girl who wished only to serve Him completely and without question. So, He bravely admitted His lies to her... He can be commended for such. However, the girl was hurt(understandably)... and now she saw a Man who she did not really know at all. The photograph was not Him, but that did not matter... He was still handsome in her eyes... His heart was the same... His love and compassion for others... In HIS eyes, He was still the same person. He could not comprehend that she did not know Him. That to her, He was a stranger and ultimately... the trust and faith was gone.




Nvernilla -> RE: Lies In A Profile (12/17/2004 8:47:30 PM)

I'd be inclined to think that someone of any gender who lies in their profile has no intension of ever going R/T because they'ld get caught if it ever went R/T. Another possibility is that they are someone who sabotages their relationships and are setting up for that.Or they may just be pathological liars, there are those too. In any event why would you want to be in contact with someone who lies to you, that type is far too common in all scenes...Mike




bottominwa -> RE: Lies In A Profile (12/17/2004 11:24:31 PM)

This girl's two cents...if one is going to lie and the net is simply a fantasy game...lie away have a funtabulous time. However, some people are just plain stupid....this girl has had the house's ad up here six months, she has in that time met 13 girls in person....and declined to meet a number of others for whatever reason...now here's the funny part....each of these girls had a picture in their profile....and when this girl went and met them....ummmm the pictures were each and every time either a) hella old, so old the perosn did not even resemble the picture in the profile...or b) just plain not the person period. LOL!

Someone earlier said only ten percent of girls post their real pictures...being in that minority then this girl assumed everyone who bothered to post a picture posted their real pictures if they had any intent to meet in real life. she means what could they possibly be thinking? Was she not going to notice they weigh 100 lbs more than their picture or are a foot shorter?
Anyhow she also can sympathize with the original posters frustration in that gas is quite expensive now...drive 40 miles there and back to meet LIARS...tends to annoy her too.

The funny thing is...people obviously presume they must lie...We never mention weight or age in Our ads of what We prefer and to a large extent have little bias...but honesty is a very good judge of character....and to be lied to from the get go...well its a red flag.

Better luck to You!

sabrina King

House of King




harmony3709 -> RE: Lies In A Profile (12/18/2004 6:29:58 PM)

I guess I should count myself fortunate that I have not had the experience with the pics turning out not to be real, although some of them were obviously a bit younger, but not to the point where I objected when I met them. A few told me outright when they sent the pic that it was a few years old and I consider that to be honest.

What surprises me is that for those who lie about their pics or what they are looking for or anything else in a profile, do they not realize that this immediately sets them up as being dishonest right from the moment you meet them? From there on out, everything they say is suspect and that is, at least for me, hard to just forget about and begin taking them as an honest and sincere person.

I just wish that lies ended with what's on the profile..........the lies I have heard from those I meet for the first time and even the first few dates that suddenly see the light of day later on.........wow, never ceases to amaze me. It only serves as a constant reminder to me why not to lie in the first place -- at some point, you are likely to be caught.

harmony




BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Lies In A Profile (12/18/2004 7:06:24 PM)

Dear Masterleon,
I've stopped arguing with my friends and family that most people are kind/good, because experience has shown otherwise. Common courtesy is not that common, and unfortunately most people really don't feel it's necessary to exert it if there's nothing to be gained (they're not interested in you, so don't have to be kind/courteous). This attitude is even easier to have online, because they're not even looking at you, just reading headline and answering/deleting, no feelings attached (except yours).
As for women lying in profiles, not all of us do; I tell the truth, because I revel in my imperfections, and when insecure, am comforted by the fact that no one is perfect.
Wish you luck, don't get discouraged. Ms M




LordODiscipline -> RE: Lies In A Profile (12/19/2004 5:05:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Nvernilla

I'd be inclined to think that someone of any gender who lies in their profile has no intension of ever going R/T because they'ld get caught if it ever went R/T.


On the contrary - there are multitudinous peoples who go real life with lies, because they get people to believe them on line - and, can take the "show on the road".

Many people lie about their experience - many people state they belong to some 'ancient house'; many people state that they were "trained by European's" (as through that were indicative that it is somehow "better" than being trained by an American, or, Canadian).

And, a lot of these people walk about in groups real life, without being challenged for the idiocy they spew and the lies (tacitly accepted) that insults the people they congregate with.

Relatively amazing.

~J




shylittleheart -> RE: Lies In A Profile (12/19/2004 5:14:38 AM)

We have learned to take one for their face value, once you to get to know that person. Also if one lies in the beginning, what is not to say those "white lies" will just not continue to grow. Take each step slowly and being cautious. Ones hearts are fragile so should be quarded and not given so freely.

mho

shy




MemphisDsCouple -> RE: Lies In A Profile (12/19/2004 5:16:50 AM)

99% of the time we have no need for a "specialized" dictionary. Chastity, slavery, dominance, submission, flogging, and on and on and on..... none of these are new concepts or terms. It seems clear to me, that one of the reasons we are all so drawn to d/s and s&m is because it is so deeply ingrained in our nature as a result of the ways our ancestors (prompted by the conditions of their environment) interacted. Thus, when we practice these things today, if feels "natural", we find fulfillment and an inner peace. All these terms (and the activities they represent) are (literally) older than dictionaries.

True, there will be the misunderstandings such as the one described below. Namely, a misunderstanding about the *degree* of chastity referred to as an interest. This, however, does not mean the two people have a different concept of what the word "chastity" means. We are subject to this same type of confusion when we're talking about any subject. That's why our language developed adjectives and adverbs. To be able to communicate more precisely.

Rather than needing a specialized dictionary, it seems to me the problem lies in not using the dictionaries we have and the solution is to more consitently employ those references.

A destructive force to communication, as I see it, is the widespread theory that we can (that it is acceptable to) define terminology as we see fit. We wouldn't accept this from a contractor we were hiring. (Painting a house blue and calling it white.) We wouldn't accept this from a baby sitter ("Well, I gave the baby two bites. I fed him.) We wouldn't accept this from a nilla spouse ("Well, I was faithful - that affair was meaningless.") And, it seems clear to me, we shouldn't accept redefining terminology within d/s and s&m as it may suit the writer/speaker. Whenever we do that (accept situational redefinition) we hurt ourselves by reducing our ability to communicate.

Postscript:

You are welcome to print or save this post for your own use. Please do not copy it to any public or semi-public forum (including email groups/lists) without my express permission. Thanks. All rights reserved. (I write this postscript because after-the-fact someone wrote to me to inform me that they had copied a prior post I wrote to another list. So, I thought I'd better clarify what my preference/policy is regarding use of what I write.)

B. (the male half of MemphisDsCouple)


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I think sometimes people thing others are lying because both parties are working under different definitions of the same word or phrase.

Elsewhere on the boards someone mentioned that he had selected chastity as an interest, but was put off when a dominant person expected 100% fulltime chastity. To the person who put it as an interest, chastity meant occational periods in a chasity device. To the other, it meant full time.

I think that sometimes people come in with vastly different deffinitions and expectations for the same sets of words. Often, instead of taking time to realize this, they dismiss the other person as a liar, a fake or a wannabe because the two are using words differently.

I notice this happens on the boards, too. It makes sense, of course. There isn't a coherent dictionary of universally accepted definitions for many of the terms used here.




perverseangelic -> RE: Lies In A Profile (12/22/2004 12:10:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MemphisDsCouple
True, there will be the misunderstandings such as the one described below. Namely, a misunderstanding about the *degree* of chastity referred to as an interest. This, however, does not mean the two people have a different concept of what the word "chastity" means. We are subject to this same type of confusion when we're talking about any subject. That's why our language developed adjectives and adverbs. To be able to communicate more precisely.

Rather than needing a specialized dictionary, it seems to me the problem lies in not using the dictionaries we have and the solution is to more consitently employ those references.




First, I wasn't advocating a 'special dictionary' as you put it. Rather, I said that the individuals in question should communicate the terms as they are using them. This doesn't mean that they are necessarially saying "blue" and meaning "white" rather, they are saying "chastity" and meaning "no sex ever" or "polyamoury" and meaning "I will have sex with as many people as I want but you can only have sex with me."

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A destructive force to communication, as I see it, is the widespread theory that we can (that it is acceptable to) define terminology as we see fit. We wouldn't accept this from a contractor we were hiring. (Painting a house blue and calling it white.) We wouldn't accept this from a baby sitter ("Well, I gave the baby two bites. I fed him.) We wouldn't accept this from a nilla spouse ("Well, I was faithful - that affair was meaningless.") And, it seems clear to me, we shouldn't accept redefining terminology within d/s and s&m as it may suit the writer/speaker. Whenever we do that (accept situational redefinition) we hurt ourselves by reducing our ability to communicate.


I agree that redefining terms that have cut and dry definitions is destructive. However, many terms don't have such clear definitions. What is the clear definitions for love? The clear definition for slavery in a society where forced slavery is not legal?

Yes, one should not redefine terms that have very spesific and literal meanings which can be quantified and agreed upon. However, terms which do -not- have an agreed upon definition in usage (this is not to say they don't have one in the dictionary, rather everyone using the term doesn't use it the same way) -must- be defined in a given conversation.

I think your example of "faithful" is perfect. To some (even in vanilla relationships) having certain types of affaris or flings -is- being faithful because it is working within the rules of the relationship that the two individuals established. It isn't a word that has -one- definition for everyone who uses it.

I wasn't saying that -all- words are subjective, rather I was saying that one should be aware that some words are. In communicating with someone, whether or not you agree with their definition, it is wise to see where they are coming from. Is a slave someone who lives and dies at his owners command? Is it someone who plays without safewords? Is it something else entirely?





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