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RE: Weight - 7/6/2006 11:10:52 AM

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I hear ya', dreamscape. Polycystic ovaries run in my family. My Granny, Mom, sister and I all have them to one degree or another. It provides a great hurdle to weight loss.

My Mom really jumps out in my mind as an example of how hard it is. In addition to other very serious health problems (including polycystic ovarian syndrome), she's diabetic. No matter how hard she tries, my Mom just can't get the last 30 lbs. of weight off. (She's only 5'2", so the 30 lbs. make a big difference.) She diets very well, exercises constantly and just can't keep it off. She even had plastic surgery, but the weight came right back. She lives very healthily and has kicked herself into levels of dieting and exercise that is too extreme more times than I can count. Nothing helps.

It is very true that not everyone can lose weight. However, these people are the exception rather than the rule.

In response to the OP, I agree. It is judgemental, rude, and often false to stereotype that larger people get into the lifestyle because they can't find love elsewhere. Honestly, that claim is ridiculous. It is harder to find people in the lifestyle than it is in vanilla life if only because there are less people to choose from. Saying that larger people come here because they can't get any elsewhere is ludicrous, especially when you consider that by doing so they would be narrowing their search margins.

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RE: Weight - 7/6/2006 1:05:27 PM

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RE: Weight - 7/6/2006 8:37:24 PM

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I'm probably about to sound rude......and actually I am not anti American .......... but it is the only place I travel where the airport has trafic jams of electric carts and wheelchairs picking very over weight people up from plains.......
Look in all the food and go to most reteraunts and it is loaded with sugar, fat, and enough protions to adequately feed 3 people. Corn syrup is in everything and is subsidised. A loaf of bread is sweet and costs twice what it does in the UK. Since moving here (for a short term work assignment) we have really struggled with food from the perspective crap food is really cheap....edible food is expensive.
My wife even gave up eating Allbran here because she found it was to sweet. When I run a training course the company lays on more doughnuts than Chicago police force could eat, followed by enough candy to enrich the worlds dentists follwoed by lunch for the 5000. It aint like this everywhere else. And the UK and Australia are also some of the "heaviest nations in the world" If I've upset anyone sorry........but it is more than just a few "addicted people".

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RE: Weight - 7/6/2006 9:55:31 PM

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Dtes, I agree with that.
Everytime that I come back from a 2-3 week vacation in Ireland when I land at Boston/Logan Airport that's the first thing that stands right out; how fat the people are here compared with the people in Europe!
One time I was stuck right behind a school bus with about 7,8 cars behind me. The bus was stopping at every other house disgourging overweight kids. One kid, about 12 years old got off the bus gnawing on a tootsie roll bar with a frickin Beer Belly on him!
The whole problem is that people don't WALK here anymore!
You hardly ever see kids walking to school!
When I went to grammer school in the 1950's we had one fat kid in the whole school of about 600 kids.
We walked Everywhere! No rides from parents. "You want to go there? W-A-L-K!"
Walking is the best excercise you can do and it's good for your heart, lungs and recently they found out that it's good for low grade depression too!
While I was in Donegal Ireland (Bally Liffin) I was standing outside the B&B one morning drinking a cup of coffee and smoking a butt.
These two young ladies probably in their early 20's came walking up the sidewalk and it was going up hill at probably an 8 degree grade, laughing, talking, their hair swinging like it was nothing! They were walking at a very good clip and they wearn't even breathing heavy!
I was watching them go by and they had the most incredable asses and legs on them, very strong and powerful but they were very slender. (Very Sexy!)
In Donegal, Ireland people WALK up and down those steep hills that they have up there and it shows!
Many of the dancers from that show "Riverdance" come from the Donegal area of Ireland. VERY powerfull legs! You just don't see fat people up there unless it's some fat tourist from Boston or N.Y. over for a visit.
You have to be ACTIVE. Walk, ride a bike (I bought a Huffy bike for $99 at K-Mart) join a gym. I joined one of those fancy Gyms with the mirrors in it and I LIKE watching the women in skimpy outfits! I'm paying $525 per year so I consider that part of the "Benefits Package" of joining a gym like that!
One guy there weighed about 350 pounds last year but now he's down to about 230 and he just keeps on doing it so he'll be slender in another 6 months or so. You wouldn't recognise him from a year ago! He can now go faster and longer on the treadmill than I can plus he lifts weights on the machines and free weights.

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RE: Weight - 7/6/2006 9:58:32 PM

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They are just carrying a load of box-cutters.....

Boston/Logan..........are they done with the construction on that POS yet?

LOL

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RE: Weight - 7/7/2006 12:50:37 AM

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Hi Wolfmoon

Yes my new master & husband is very overweight but he had no problems catching a skinny thing like me LOL.

I can see how people look at him and that they're shocked that he even has a wife let alone a thin wife. It's as if they don't think he deserves it?!?

Obviously you are right and food is an addiction for you... a good friend of mine found Overeaters Anonymous to be *extremely helpful* in finding out and shutting off the triggers that caused her to eat compusively.

Meanwhile my master and I are walking the line of trying to help him lose weight, while making sure he knows I love him the way he is and that we are only concerned for health reasons and that he wants to be able to do more activities that he can't do now. Even still, he hates his body and only answers "I'm glad you like it" when I tell him he is attractive, sexy, etc. as if he can't believe it. Which is all very sad.

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RE: Weight - 7/7/2006 2:02:47 AM

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Nobody ever got cured of anything because somebody yelled at them and made them feel like a little piece of _rap, though(just my opinion).

Good luck to the OP. I have a little sister with weight "issues" - and I love her dearly, skinny or overwieght.

- Susan

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RE: Weight - 7/7/2006 10:35:54 AM

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Susan, I don't think anyone is *yelling* at anyone here.
More like offering encouragement to get active!
If one has a problem whether it be weight, alchohol, drugs or whatever you need to DEAL with it.
Those things don't get better by themselves.You can't ignore problems like those and expect progress.
That guy at my Gym who used to be 350 pounds now looks great!
I have a LOT of respect for him for sticking to his excercise plan and diet!
It just goes to show that it can be done but not if you sit around on your ass and don't do anything about it!
I know a guy who was basically in the gutter because of booze.
He went to Alchoholics Anonymous and has been sober for 14 years now, he's married, just bought a beautiful home and is starting a new career! So these problems CAN be overcome!
But, as he told me "you have to want to do something about your problem." "It has to come from within first then you can get help."
He's right of course.
People like him and that guy at my Gym are positive examples for other people on here.

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RE: Weight - 7/7/2006 10:54:01 AM

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the food in the USA is crap. it is TOO processed.

it takes abit of effort to get past the commercialism that is thrown onto everyone.

see- the food and pill industry are connected here. rx prices in US among highest in the world.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/water101/ <--this is my group. proper hydration can avoid need for meds.

the sugar lobby has clout here.

figure this. a person is less then hydrated- they reach for a snack...a soda.... a pill. it triggers the cycle all over again. over 2000 chemicals now exisit that had not. they do not get flushed from the body.
stagnating there- they cause another ailment.

there is more money for corps the statas quo.

you CAN take small steps to deal with this.

after 2 months of proper hydration. i did a 12 hour drive- with a few snacks. no junk food- and once i arrived had a real meal. it works!!

now- if you work 2-3 jobs it is hard.....yes.

processed foods are bad.

you can munch on vegas- alot. chug water. alot.

fast food...remember bill clinton and his fast food. then he needed open heart surgery at 50ish. thats what it does!

you can enjoy snacks...BUT in moderation. they are not meant to be grazed at all day long.

people confuse thirst with hunger.

if more money was to be made off of good health- we in teh USA would be healthy.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/water101/ <--join this free group. it is not adult. no x posts will cross your screen. so as ppl can view it at work- in libbrary.

i chug 90 oz of drinking water a day. reverse osmosis. not soda- not coffee. but clean water.
80% of americans are dehydrated.

diabetes has run wild here. it is epidemic. again more money to be made off of the ill.

ouch!!!

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RE: Weight - 7/7/2006 10:56:40 AM

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sidenote-

it really sucks that many dont even fit into seats on planes and restaurant booths.

the stomache staple surgery costs 50k. and is serious. my best friend did it...i promped him as i felt is was his only choice since his dad had his legs cut off from diabetis.

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RE: Weight - 7/7/2006 11:43:20 AM

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Ok....not every overweight person has a fod addiction, thank goodness. To the OP..learn to lower your portions slowly. I am probably one of the worst ones out there...eating once a day, but that is another story. Drink lots of water, eat smaller portions, eat more small meals (5-6 a day).

To the poster that commented on the walking all the time.... not everyone has that ability. I know after I had my unmentionable, I have had severe back problems that make it near to impossible to stand in one place for very long or walk certain distances. Not saying that is an excuse for anything...I still get out and I am very active ( sex is a great exercise too that I enjoy...wink wink)

To the poster who commented about her overweight Master.... there are a lot of people out there who love big people...I disagree with losing weight for anyone...they liked you enough to get with you big, they shouldn't try to change you.

Surgery isn't a good thing for everyone. My cousin died from complications with the gastric bypass. I have heard many horror stories about weight loss surgery and I will just stick with being overweight and sticking with the men and women who love us "fat people".

I am not trying to attack anyone for suggestions given on weight loss, but I think he probably already knows HOW to lose weight.... it is just as hard to lose weight being addicted to food as it is to quit smoking, drinking and many other addictions.

And lastly...and sorry I am so long winded.... not all people who are overweight are insecure. I am perfectly happy being who I am and I don't feel the need to change to make anyone respect me or to see me in a better light. If you don't like how I look....don't look at me and keep going on your way.

*shuts up and gets off of my soap box*

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RE: Weight - 7/7/2006 11:59:16 AM

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I do relate to what you are saying..and it does get annoying that everyone thinks that fat people can't get anyone outside of the lifestyle. I have noticed though that this attack does fall on women more than men.

I agree that food is an addiction. It is for me, plain and simple. I eat way too much and I don't get enough exercise to be thin. I also have POS like was mentioned, but I have also been told this is the cause of being overweight..not something that caused it in the first place.

I have struggled also with bulimia.. which did mess my metabolism up big time. The fact is though, if I would take in less calories that what I put out, I would probably lose weight and I am sure be much healthier than I am now.

I have the issue also that healthier food does cost more. It is very annoying when you can't get what you want because of it. It is very simple to say that you could just grow the veggies and such, but we must also remember that not everyone has a yard and the resources to do that. There are farmers markets, those are good..but again..not everyone has those.

The choices that I have are probably more like what the avg. person has. I go to the store.. we have some fresh foods..like veggies and fruits.. some on sale..some not..then you find all over the store things on sale.. or more of a bargain..(probably not good for you) but they are cheaper..or even easier to make..so you get them anyway.

I used to excuse it that way..but then I got to thinking.. I mean...in our home..we order out pizza..probably twice a week..though we don't ever do fast food in addition. If you get them on sale..it's probably what? maybe $20 if we are lucky..not to mention adding in the wings that we all like. So with that 20.00.. I have concluded that if I had really wanted to, I could have bought lettuce.. fresh veggies..some fruit..things like that..but I had made the choice not to.

What I am trying to say is.. it's an addiction.. I have it.. I know it. I have been overweight my whole life..even when I played sports out the ass. The way my family was though, we didn't eat healthy then either.. so I have just carried that on to now. I eat when I am sad, angry, alone, happy..whatever.. I do it as a compulsion.. sometimes even doing the binging/purging thing.

It's not going to be easy to tame it all.. all of the addictions.. the bulimia..the overeating..the reaching for food for about any occasion. I know though, until I make up my mind to do it.. it won't happen. Each thing I eat, I know as I put it in my mouth..if it's a good choice or a bad one. I make it every day..several times a day. I win sometimes, I lose sometimes.

I do not put myself down for this though.. that will not do any good. I am still a wonderful and sexy person no matter what. Will I feel more that way a few pounds lost from now? Yes, I would say I probably would. Will my life be perfect? No, though it would be nice for a change.

No one can do this but me. No one can do this but you. It's that simple. It's not what I want to hear.. nor anyone else..but it's true. I have to eat less than I work off.. it's a slow process..very slow and probably after years of yo yo dieting.. it's even slower still. I know though in a few months, I will look and feel so much better.. healthier..energetic... it will be an amazing feeling .. nothing like it. For me..that beats a slice of pizza and a few hot wings any day.

I am worth that..and so are you.. don't ever doubt that.

Respectfully, Andrea

PS.. I did just join a yahoo group that someone on here started.. I can't remember the name right now.. I am sure someone knows it... but it's for support and being accountable..always good things to have.

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RE: Weight - 7/7/2006 12:07:36 PM

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Ok I must not be understanding the whole "cant afford health food" Could you define health food? Because I can get butt load of frozen chicken breasts and egss with milk cheap. You can get buffalo meat once in a while or ostrich meat if you wanna switch things up. There is nothing wrong with some potatoes and carrots once in a while. Chicken and eggs are really cheap so is milk. What do you consider "health food" some weird fungus from the orient for 500$ a pound?

Part of the problem is that well people are either too tired to cook have no time to cook so they buy food that tastes very good but is LOADED with calories.

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RE: Weight - 7/7/2006 12:13:34 PM

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lmao@ buttload of chicken....thanks for giving me a chuckle this afternoon. I love chicken and salads and broccoli....not exactly fast food...lol

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RE: Weight - 7/7/2006 12:45:32 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Moloch

Ok I must not be understanding the whole "cant afford health food" Could you define health food? Because I can get butt load of frozen chicken breasts and egss with milk cheap. You can get buffalo meat once in a while or ostrich meat if you wanna switch things up. There is nothing wrong with some potatoes and carrots once in a while. Chicken and eggs are really cheap so is milk. What do you consider "health food" some weird fungus from the orient for 500$ a pound?
Part of the problem is that well people are either too tired to cook have no time to cook so they buy food that tastes very good but is LOADED with calories.

Actually.. in our home.. the health stuff we eat is a little more expensive. We are vegetarian..and don't eat dairy.. so.. that cuts out eggs and chicken.

I also admitted.. and I am sure most will..that the pizza we in our house order a couple of times a week.. could buy a lot of lettuce..veggies and fruits.

There are excuses that can be found for anything though.. it's just looking for one.

Respectfully, Andrea

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RE: Weight - 7/7/2006 1:03:31 PM

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Vegeterian is native american word for Bad Hunter.

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RE: Weight - 7/7/2006 1:17:08 PM

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Being overweight right now seems to be a good way to make money. Look how Anna Nicole Smith sponsers diet products. Look at the money and prizes people are getting from "The Biggest Looser" Look at Jerrod on the Sub Way diet. All you have to do is be fat, sponser a program or product, loose weight by any means, say good things about the product/program, and collect the cash. If you can't sponser anyone, you can always enter competitions. Best of luck to you and your possible fortune.

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RE: Weight - 7/7/2006 6:55:49 PM

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Question - I work with a number of people who are enormous (I'm a skinny runt :) ) but in there younger days were clearly very much into sports particularly American Football and Baseball. Someone explained to me that when they go to college and even at High School the sport is so important that if you loose your place on the team you loose your scholarship and are buggered, and because the sports are short term power based rather than long term stamina / fitness based the "kids" are practicaly force fed to keep ther body weights up. Result is enormous appetites and cravings for food. Then they leave school / college, get jobs, cant / no time to do the sport but still have these amazing appetites....net result over eating, obesity and diabetes. Any truth in this.......?

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RE: Weight - 7/7/2006 7:24:18 PM

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quote:

Me I am a compulsive over eater I can site down and eat an entire large pizza in one sitting plus some hot wings to go with it. I know this for a fact because I just did this today.

quote:

To eating healthy that is not an option for a lot of people healthy is expensive. Unhealthy is what a lot of people have to deal with. If you don't believe me go buy some fresh veggies and lean cuts of meat. Tell me how many meals you get for a 100 dollars. Is it enough to feed you and your family for the week. I don't think it will be.

Well, it's definitely cheaper to eat healthy than it is to buy a large pizza and hot wings. I know, because I do it. That pizza and wings was probably at least $20. For about $20, I can eat three meals a day for two days, and that includes juice, fresh fruits and veggies, and lean meats (or Lean Cuisine frozen meals, which run about 300 calories and cost about $2.50 when not on sale). I'm not losing a lot of weight, but I'm also not loading up on fat calories, either.

If you want to stop feeling sorry for yourself, do something to make a change in your life. Eat less and move more. Drink more water. It DOES work to help curb your appetite. Many times, the craving for food is really your body crying out for water.

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RE: Weight - 7/7/2006 7:41:15 PM

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/increasingthedrivereducingthesize/

Hi Andrea,

CandleTC started the thread in this forum "Are There Others??" Around page 3 I think. So I went and found the link for you if you are interested, I'm she would be delighted to have more join her group

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