tweakabelle
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What tends to happen, both in the US and over here, is the immigrants want a little piece of the country and crap they left behind and try to get the "natives" to accept their crap and traditions to the point that they are physically changing the fundamental way that we live and make our/your country the very thing that attracted them to it in the first place.
I am unable to think of any case where immigrants (that is immigrants, not colonists or settlers) "are physically changing the fundamental way that we live and make our/your country the very thing that attracted them to it in the first place". I can think of cases where this fear is expressed by some members of the 'host' country, but not a case where this fear matches the reality of the situation.
Perhaps you will be able to advise me of a case in point ..........?
I think, tweak, you are very lucky down where you are.
The "multi-culturism" and the melting pot aren't so strong as is evident here and the US.
What nonsense! Australia is proud of its status as one of the world's most multicultural of countries. With the exception of Kooris, the entire population is composed of migrants and/or their descendents, with something like (IIRC) half the population either born overseas, or having one or both parents born overseas. The vast majority of Australians regard multiculturalism positively and embrace it. It is one of the central facts of Australian life today.
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There are state funded schools here where the melting pot has been soooo watered down that the indiginous English citizens (of any colour) are very outnumbered to the point where -
1) it is hard to overhear someone, anyone, speaking English;
2) most of the local shops are run by foreigners. I don't mean a late-night franchise or corner shop that is run by immigrants (god knows, we need those), I'm talking not selling any of the national/normal foodstuffs and it's all imported stuff for their own ethnic group.
3) imagine a proper "chinatown" but for Indians, Pakistanis, Iranians, Polish, Armenian, etc etc etc, all separate areas. There are whole districts and almost whole towns where to be English makes you the odd-man-out.
4) such concentrations of a single ethnic group in a fairly wide area that anyone not of that group is classed as an outsider. Almost like the old-style ghettos. Not even the police or taxi drivers go into the area.
5) they get laws changed with their own ethnic group in mind. I'm thinking of our helmet laws and knife laws that have been modified in favour of muslims and seihks that an ordinary Brit gets prosecuted for.
So here, and almost certainly some areas of the US, the original national identity is actually being eroded to the point where it is, or has already been, lost to the ways and even language/religion of the immigrants.
Those in charge tell us that it's all part of the great big melting pot of multi-culturism and we should embrace it.
Yeah, I do. But NOT to the point where my own sense of national identity is being swamped into non-existence.
If this collection of vague unsupported anecdotes is the best evidence you can offer to prove your case, then your case remains utterly unproven. For instance the claims of no-go areas for police have been advanced on these boards before - and rejected derisively by many UK posters. Here in Sydney there are many schools where most of the children's first language is not English. No one here regards this as a threat to Australian identity. Your complaint about 'foreign' shopeepers daring to stock and sell 'foreign' foods is hilarious. I've never imagined that a specialist delicatessan could be a hotbed of subversion but I suppose you learn something new every day ..... Subversive salamis - whatever next?
The only point with any substance - that there are special laws for Sikhs - might be more persuasive had the actual issue involved not been so trivial. Try as I might, I am unable to imagine how a helmet-less Sikh, chugging along happily on his scooter somehow constitutes a threat to UK identity. The only thing endangered is the Sikh him/herself if they are unlucky enough to have an accident.
All up your post reminds me of the sensationalist nonsense so popular in the notorious UK tabloid press. A lot of huffing and puffing but when examined seriously, nothing of any consequence. A lot of disparate irrational fears disguised as a serious attempt at cultural analysis. It takes a lot more than this trivia to make a case of a threat to an established culture.
< Message edited by tweakabelle -- 2/5/2014 6:15:04 PM >
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