freedomdwarf1
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What tends to happen, both in the US and over here, is the immigrants want a little piece of the country and crap they left behind and try to get the "natives" to accept their crap and traditions to the point that they are physically changing the fundamental way that we live and make our/your country the very thing that attracted them to it in the first place.
I am unable to think of any case where immigrants (that is immigrants, not colonists or settlers) "are physically changing the fundamental way that we live and make our/your country the very thing that attracted them to it in the first place". I can think of cases where this fear is expressed by some members of the 'host' country, but not a case where this fear matches the reality of the situation.
Perhaps you will be able to advise me of a case in point ..........?
I think, tweak, you are very lucky down where you are.
The "multi-culturism" and the melting pot aren't so strong as is evident here and the US.
There are state funded schools here where the melting pot has been soooo watered down that the indiginous English citizens (of any colour) are very outnumbered to the point where -
1) it is hard to overhear someone, anyone, speaking English;
2) most of the local shops are run by foreigners. I don't mean a late-night franchise or corner shop that is run by immigrants (god knows, we need those), I'm talking not selling any of the national/normal foodstuffs and it's all imported stuff for their own ethnic group.
3) imagine a proper "chinatown" but for Indians, Pakistanis, Iranians, Polish, Armenian, etc etc etc, all separate areas. There are whole districts and almost whole towns where to be English makes you the odd-man-out.
4) such concentrations of a single ethnic group in a fairly wide area that anyone not of that group is classed as an outsider. Almost like the old-style ghettos. Not even the police or taxi drivers go into the area.
5) they get laws changed with their own ethnic group in mind. I'm thinking of our helmet laws and knife laws that have been modified in favour of muslims and seihks that an ordinary Brit gets prosecuted for.
So here, and almost certainly some areas of the US, the original national identity is actually being eroded to the point where it is, or has already been, lost to the ways and even language/religion of the immigrants.
Those in charge tell us that it's all part of the great big melting pot of multi-culturism and we should embrace it.
Yeah, I do. But NOT to the point where my own sense of national identity is being swamped into non-existence.
Take most of Europe for instance (yes, please do!!  )....
For the most part, whatever country you are visiting, even if it is bi-ligual in some areas, you know instantly where you are and what traditions are followed.
If you are an immigrant: you are expected to integrate, preserve and upkeep national heritage (and pride), follow and respect the nation's laws and statutes. After all, that's what drew you to want to be in that country isn't it??
Every EU country, with the exception of the UK, has managed to keep (and even enhance) the sense of national identity.
That can't be said of huge swathes of the UK and the US where the migrants have made it an extension of their original roots and customs - the very attributes that drove them out of their own countries in search of something better.
This is where multi-culturism is destroying the host country's national identity. And in many areas, to the point of extinction.
I wholly object to any national identity being destroyed by immigrants and the UK and US are letting it happen.
I'll quote just one city where this is happening.... Peterborough.
I'm not knocking the immigrants that do want to learn our ways and our culture and I had many ethnic friends there. Unfortunately, most just wanted to be completely separate and didn't want anything to do with England or being British apart from claiming our benefits, our free schooling and our housing.
The top north-western area is predominantly Indian/Pakistani. Three of the local schools teach the muslim way, observes muslim traditions, and generally do not integrate into the British way of life.
I'm not talking special ethnic/cultural schools where they study after normal school stuff - these are state funded and supposed to follow the national curriculum; they don't. Most of the students are of ethnic background and the normal language spoken is not English and it's run more along the lines of a Madressas than an English school. Instead of teaching English as a priority, they don't; they use their own language and English teaching is reduced to just 30 minutes a week or less.
Instead of using the western way of doing things (like cooking on a gas cooker), they revert back to their mud-hut days by building a bonfire in the middle of their living room and cooking on a tripod with a metal pot and sweeping the ashes out into the streets in the mornings. Yes... I've seen that many times with my own eyes - it's fucking unbelievable!!
Aparently, the city is now overrun with Polish. Again, I'm not knocking those that want to work here and be integrated. I have a very good friend who is Polish and he's done very well for himself.
Most of the others appear to have taken over the town to such an extent that the English people are saying it's nothing more than a "little Poland".
And that's just one of many towns going by the wayside due to "multi-culturism".
ETA: This multi-ligual advert is just rubbish on all fronts.
The original multi-national advert was good. It had a nice catchy tune and featured many nationalities in a good way. I don't think this one does. It sucks.
< Message edited by freedomdwarf1 -- 2/5/2014 3:53:51 AM >
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