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OsideGirl -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/8/2014 12:28:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP Sure, I should wear a tee shirt that explains my physical disability, so potential muggers will know ahead of time that I'm a good victim. That was actually my first thought when I saw this. It would make the wearer a target.

Moonhead -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/8/2014 1:36:57 PM)
Maybe they could wear a yellow star or a pink triangle as a badge as well? [;)] It's probably unfair to the OP, but that's the first thing that labeling people makes me think of...

DesFIP -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/8/2014 3:55:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Missokyst LMAO.... another keyboard ruining by ill-timed CM perusal. quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP Sure, I should wear a tee shirt that explains my physical disability, so potential muggers will know ahead of time that I'm a good victim. Thank you, thank you very much. (Takes a bow).

LittleGirlHeart -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/8/2014 5:20:47 PM)
You're right good point. quote: ORIGINAL: Rawni I used to wear what I called attitude shirts. 'PMS'ing, do you dare?' 'I'll be nicer when you are smarter' My fav. However, I would not wear a shirt that said anything about my illness or disability. That might seem to assist some that don't get it... but if you talk to someone that cannot hear you, you will either think they can't hear you or are ignoring you. I can't see any of my friends that were deaf, wearing one. They carry a tactful card if something was needed. To advertise what society may see as a weakness can make you prey to the not so wonderful that are out there. I wouldn't advise it. Haven't you heard of people in wheel chairs being tossed out of them and their chairs stolen? How about the statistics on the disabled being victims. That can be an eye opener. Don't point it out if you are vulnerable in public.

jlf1961 -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/8/2014 6:27:04 PM)
Look, I am bipolar, ADD/HD, have PTSD, and I am borderline agoraphobic. I really dont want to advertise that to the general public. Besides, talking to someone's back is a bit rude, unless there is a damn good reason, and most of the hearing impaired seem to function in public perfectly alright without some sign telling the world they are hearing impaired. I might point out that the "labeling" of people with disabilities was already tried in the 20th century, from about 1935 thru 1945, in a place known as the Third Reich.

servantforuse -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/8/2014 7:03:18 PM)
LGH, What would you put on your shirt ?

FrostedFlake -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/9/2014 12:00:08 AM)
Patronizing.

ShaharThorne -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/9/2014 5:29:16 AM)
Its bad enough that I suffer from several disorders, both mentally and physically. I don't want to wear a label just like what Hitler did to the Jews in Europe. If people ask me what is wrong, I will tell them but until then it is none of their business. I even had an aunt wondering if I had diabetes because I am overweight until I corrected her.

LittleGirlHeart -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/9/2014 10:30:48 AM)
Ditzy quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse LGH, What would you put on your shirt ?

angelikaJ -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/9/2014 11:19:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LittleGirlHeart I don't know who you're replying to, but what does that have to do with a way to handle the issue that comes up when people are, say deaf, and people do not realize and do not know to get their attention first? It's kind of a cute idea. quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ How about seriously working on having effective communication skills so you can appropriately let people know you are having a hard time? http://www.cnvc.org/Training/the-nvc-model I am not surprised you don't know how, given your background. But here's the thing: you are an adult and can choose to learn. It may take you longer to learn but I do believe you are capable if you have the willingness. That too, is a choice. You can choose to be willing. You can choose to keep putting one foot in front of the other. You can choose not to live by default (not to allow yourself to live by other people's choices because you won't make your own). You may not have had choices when you were younger, but you do have choices now. You don't need gimmicks. You need tools. And the willingness to ask for them... and use them. I got the idea from your journal post. And the T-shirt you mentioned there and now here. It is better to just learn how to appropriately tell people than wear a shirt. It is better for you to seriously work on your own communication issues than worry about gimmicks... and now you should be focusing on your own issues rather than those of other people's. Deaf people learn how to communicate their own needs without the need for t-shirts that are a poor-conceived idea for all the reasons mentioned.

Moonhead -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/9/2014 11:26:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ShaharThorne Its bad enough that I suffer from several disorders, both mentally and physically. I don't want to wear a label just like what Hitler did to the Jews in Europe. If people ask me what is wrong, I will tell them but until then it is none of their business. I even had an aunt wondering if I had diabetes because I am overweight until I corrected her. Does my voice not carry or something?

LookieNoNookie -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/9/2014 1:59:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LittleGirlHeart a custom embroidered t shirt, stating something like say for example I am deaf, get my attention before talking to me. I suspect some would object,claiming it was a "Scarlet Letter", but I for one (having been involved in writing federal legislation for blind and visually impaired) think it's genius.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/9/2014 2:01:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady Most people with disabilties don't care to announce them to the world. They make it known when necessary. I have a physical disability although it isn't visably noticable. I wouldn't wear a shirt announcing it. I'm actually surprised how often, watching people avoid people in wheelchairs, using arm crutches due to Cerebral Palsy, have vision problems, etc., that when I go out of my way to say hello and ask them "what happened?", they're thrilled that someone actually took an interest in them.

LittleGirlHeart -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/9/2014 5:36:01 PM)
I was at Walmart in a wheel chair shortly after getting out of the hospital for radio graphs to find out if the fall the 28th had broke or cracked anything, and i asked someone for help , it'd only take two seconds, and he got a deer in head lights look and said oh uh ahh uhh no sorry i gotta go meet friends over there! a employee should happen bye soon, bye! And you'd be amazed, or maybe you wouldn't how many people saw a person in a wheel chaircoming and made it a case of chicken. who's gonna stop first. and I was rolling pretty good and am not used to a wheel chair so i sure wasn't gonna mess my hands up getting pinched up in the wheels, so i just smiled and said excuse me! i am always polite for those in wheel chairs or disabled. it's shocking to see how many do not give that same curtisy. quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie I'm actually surprised how often, watching people avoid people in wheelchairs, using arm crutches due to Cerebral Palsy, have vision problems, etc., that when I go out of my way to say hello and ask them "what happened?", they're thrilled that someone actually took an interest in them.

MistressDarkArt -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/9/2014 8:29:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie I'm actually surprised how often, watching people avoid people in wheelchairs, using arm crutches due to Cerebral Palsy, have vision problems, etc., that when I go out of my way to say hello and ask them "what happened?", they're thrilled that someone actually took an interest in them. Really, Lookie? You'd walk up to a stranger in a wheel chair and ask what happened? If I were that stranger, I'd say 'not your f*ckin' business, chump'. I've been going to the dances in a sling for the last 7 months. I am sick to DEATH of people asking, 'what happened?' because there are 250 dancers and I run into every single one of them in a contra line before the night is over. I'm not there to explain 250 times how my body is old and giving out and there's not a fook of a lot I can do about it. I'm there to dance as well as I can without an available arm, enjoy the music, and try to maintain some semblance of normal life while in excruciating pain. I do NOT want to dwell on it 250 times in an evening. So why not just leave it at 'hello', which most people would consider completely acceptable?

LookieNoNookie -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/10/2014 4:56:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressDarkArt quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie I'm actually surprised how often, watching people avoid people in wheelchairs, using arm crutches due to Cerebral Palsy, have vision problems, etc., that when I go out of my way to say hello and ask them "what happened?", they're thrilled that someone actually took an interest in them. Really, Lookie? You'd walk up to a stranger in a wheel chair and ask what happened? If I were that stranger, I'd say 'not your f*ckin' business, chump'. I've been going to the dances in a sling for the last 7 months. I am sick to DEATH of people asking, 'what happened?' because there are 250 dancers and I run into every single one of them in a contra line before the night is over. I'm not there to explain 250 times how my body is old and giving out and there's not a fook of a lot I can do about it. I'm there to dance as well as I can without an available arm, enjoy the music, and try to maintain some semblance of normal life while in excruciating pain. I do NOT want to dwell on it 250 times in an evening. So why not just leave it at 'hello', which most people would consider completely acceptable? Yep....do it all the time, then I explain the 7 worldwide patents I have regards their dilemma and others, ask how I could have done better/improved....and we have a great conversation. Then I incorporate their thoughts into my next patent.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/10/2014 5:01:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MistressDarkArt quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie I'm actually surprised how often, watching people avoid people in wheelchairs, using arm crutches due to Cerebral Palsy, have vision problems, etc., that when I go out of my way to say hello and ask them "what happened?", they're thrilled that someone actually took an interest in them. Really, Lookie? You'd walk up to a stranger in a wheel chair and ask what happened? If I were that stranger, I'd say 'not your fckin' business, chump'. I've been going to the dances in a sling for the last 7 months. I am sick to DEATH of people asking, 'what happened?' because there are 250 dancers and I run into every single one of them in a contra line before the night is over. I'm not there to explain 250 times how my body is old and giving out and there's not a fook of a lot I can do about it. I'm there to dance as well as I can without an available arm, enjoy the music, and try to maintain some semblance of normal life while in excruciating pain. I do NOT want to dwell on it 250 times in an evening. So why not just leave it at 'hello'*, which most people would consider completely acceptable? Because closing my mind to other people's thoughts and desires doesn't change the world. (I prefer changing the world).

LookieNoNookie -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/12/2014 3:40:53 PM)
(I'm also fascinated by people and...I've never once had anyone do anything other than ask me to sit down while they told me their story).

DesFIP -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/12/2014 3:55:38 PM)
The difference between someone temporarily having a broken arm and someone permanently in a wheelchair is that the disabled are looked past. People don't make eye contact with them. Part of it is our own squeamishness, then there's the natural uncomfortableness of not knowing what to say, similar to speaking to a newly bereaved. As a result, they are marginalized. When someone who is totally ignored, when even sales clerks turn to the accompanying friend to ask what size and don't acknowledge a request by a chair bound person, then to have someone like Lookie come up and talk and ask their help improving the accessibility advice is empowering.

MistressDarkArt -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/12/2014 9:07:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP The difference between someone temporarily having a broken arm and someone permanently in a wheelchair is that the disabled are looked past. People don't make eye contact with them. Part of it is our own squeamishness, then there's the natural uncomfortableness of not knowing what to say, similar to speaking to a newly bereaved. As a result, they are marginalized. When someone who is totally ignored, when even sales clerks turn to the accompanying friend to ask what size and don't acknowledge a request by a chair bound person, then to have someone like Lookie come up and talk and ask their help improving the accessibility advice is empowering. I see where the disconnect is between my statement, Lookie's, and yours. I'm neither squeamish nor uncomfortable around disabled people. 18 years in student health care and 25 years of working with dementia patients and developmentally disabled adults may have something to do with that. I don't ignore or marginalize disabled people; I extend the same courtesy that I would to anyone including keeping my nose out of their business. I choose to lower rent to and essentially foster a developmentally disabled adult because she would be homeless if I didn't. I sure as hell never asked my tenant 'hey, why do you act like an eleven year old when you're 49? Were you born that way or did you have a brain injury?' Just like I wouldn't walk up to someone I didn't know and ask, 'hey, are you wearing a wig or is that your real hair?' or 'is that a birthmark all over your face or scars from a chemical spill?' I sure as hell wouldn't ask, 'hey, how'd you get in that chair, bub?' Beyond hello and the same warm smile I give most everyone, it's really none of my business. If after that, someone wants to explain their circumstances, fine. I respect their decision to pursue that conversation or not, but I don't want to make them uncomfortable by starting it. And btw, it's quite likely I'll be dancing in a sling into my foreseeable future. I might as well just get an embroidered t-shirt like LGH suggests so folks can read my story instead of me getting pushed to tell it 250 times in a 3-hour dance evening.

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