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MistressDarkArt -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/12/2014 11:15:54 PM)

^^^I would make mine say:

"Don't ask; just dance. Thanks!"




angelikaJ -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/13/2014 8:03:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MistressDarkArt

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

The difference between someone temporarily having a broken arm and someone permanently in a wheelchair is that the disabled are looked past. People don't make eye contact with them.

Part of it is our own squeamishness, then there's the natural uncomfortableness of not knowing what to say, similar to speaking to a newly bereaved.

As a result, they are marginalized. When someone who is totally ignored, when even sales clerks turn to the accompanying friend to ask what size and don't acknowledge a request by a chair bound person, then to have someone like Lookie come up and talk and ask their help improving the accessibility advice is empowering.


I see where the disconnect is between my statement, Lookie's, and yours. I'm neither squeamish nor uncomfortable around disabled people. 18 years in student health care and 25 years of working with dementia patients and developmentally disabled adults may have something to do with that. I don't ignore or marginalize disabled people; I extend the same courtesy that I would to anyone including keeping my nose out of their business.

I choose to lower rent to and essentially foster a developmentally disabled adult because she would be homeless if I didn't. I sure as hell never asked my tenant 'hey, why do you act like an eleven year old when you're 49? Were you born that way or did you have a brain injury?'

Just like I wouldn't walk up to someone I didn't know and ask, 'hey, are you wearing a wig or is that your real hair?' or 'is that a birthmark all over your face or scars from a chemical spill?' I sure as hell wouldn't ask, 'hey, how'd you get in that chair, bub?'

Beyond hello and the same warm smile I give most everyone, it's really none of my business. If after that, someone wants to explain their circumstances, fine. I respect their decision to pursue that conversation or not, but I don't want to make them uncomfortable by starting it.

And btw, it's quite likely I'll be dancing in a sling into my foreseeable future. I might as well just get an embroidered t-shirt like LGH suggests so folks can read my story instead of me getting pushed to tell it 250 times in a 3-hour dance evening.



In John Hockenberry's memoir: Moving Violations, he writes about how being in a wheelchair made him invisible.

I think that the simple hello and warm smile can go a long way toward reducing that invisibility.

And it isn't intrusive.




MistressDarkArt -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/13/2014 11:25:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ


In John Hockenberry's memoir: Moving Violations, he writes about how being in a wheelchair made him invisible.

I think that the simple hello and warm smile can go a long way toward reducing that invisibility.

And it isn't intrusive.



Thank you angelikaJ. 'Intrusive' is the perfect word for how I feel about this.




sansa -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/13/2014 11:44:59 AM)

i was on the light rail yesterday with a dozen or so developmentally and otherwise disabled teens and young adults, who were going somewhere with their teacher. Four were sitting together and one wouldn't know they were disabled until one called out to the teacher asking over and over "Are we there yet?" in a childlike manner until she responded.

Next to those four was a young lady with Down's Syndrome. Even though she was with her classmates, she looked as though she was miserable. i've never seen such a dejected look on the face of someone who has Down Syndrome before. They're always painted as being always happy go lucky and extremely optimistic. i smiled at her the few times we looked at one another, but smiles from a stranger weren't enough to brighten her mood. i don't know what she was going through, but i wasn't going to pry either. The young lady didn't seem at all interested in talking to anybody, including her classmates, so i let her be.

What would have happened if i'd have talked to her? i'll never know for certain, but her body language said clearly "leave me alone," so that is what i did.

A t-shirt won't help. It will draw undue attention, and opens up a possibility for even more bullying than they already are subject to at the hands and mouths of plain mean idiots who don't care about a stranger's feelings.

sansa

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WinsomeDefiance -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/13/2014 1:37:44 PM)

Littlegirlheart, while I don't necessarily think the idea is one I agree with, I do think that you have such a kind heart and the idea comes from a very generous mindset. While this idea may not be well received, don't be discouraged; your next idea might change the world.

I sometimes wish I had a shirt that said, "I'm not lazy, I'm reserving my energy for kinky sex...." when I ride the scootabouts at the grocery store [:D] Sadly, because I'm relatively young, I get some unpleasant glares when I am using the motorized wheelchairs. It used to bother me at first, and I even had one man yell and cuss at me (true story). A T-shirt with a vulgar hand gesture would have come in handy on that day.




Rawni -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/13/2014 3:35:41 PM)

That is when I would say... I am eighty six years old, but look young for my age. I guess you can understand disabilities you cannot see... as you look like you have a brain... but clearly what you say proves that you don't. Wanna ride?




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/13/2014 3:43:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rawni

That is when I would say... I am eighty six years old, but look young for my age. I guess you can understand disabilities you cannot see... as you look like you have a brain... but clearly what you say proves that you don't. Wanna ride?


I was to shocked, and pretty much speechless. I think maybe he had someone disabled in his life and was just frustrated by what appears to be an abuse of handicap accessible parking spaces and equipment. That's what I rationalize in my own mind anyway to
explain the behavior.




Rawni -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/13/2014 3:47:40 PM)

You are far nicer than I am. lol




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/13/2014 3:56:22 PM)

I'm not THAT nice. A woman had walked up to me after he left and apologized for his behavior. I just laughed and said, "A man that ugly should at least have a nice personality." Which was pretty unkind of me. The empathy came later, after much retrospect.




Rawni -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/13/2014 4:00:16 PM)

[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]




LookieNoNookie -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/14/2014 3:55:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

The difference between someone temporarily having a broken arm and someone permanently in a wheelchair is that the disabled are looked past. People don't make eye contact with them.

Part of it is our own squeamishness, then there's the natural uncomfortableness of not knowing what to say, similar to speaking to a newly bereaved.

As a result, they are marginalized. When someone who is totally ignored, when even sales clerks turn to the accompanying friend to ask what size and don't acknowledge a request by a chair bound person, then to have someone like Lookie come up and talk and ask their help improving the accessibility advice is empowering.


Well said.




thinkyoucanhang -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/14/2014 9:47:26 PM)

Just stick some cheap brightly colored ear buds in your ears and pretend you're listening to an iPod or something. Most folks at least have an idea how to approach you and get your attention better. Jus' sayin'...

As for my wheelchair, I had an over the shoulder seat-belt for visibility (not need) attached just for petty thefts and such on those occasions I go into the city.




ExiledTyrant -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/14/2014 9:51:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LittleGirlHeart

a custom embroidered t shirt, stating something like say for example I am deaf, get my attention before talking to me.


I'm thinking...

Sadist! Run for your lives!

Maybe in pink, because pink is so unassuming and shit.

Jus sayin
Exiled




ElectraGlide -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/14/2014 10:19:25 PM)

This shirt idea will not work for the blind. The disabled could have a large I-Pad on a strap around their neck with the volume cranked up for all to hear. You could have someone doing sign language on the video screen for the deaf. You could have it announced in several different languages for people that don't speak english also.




Dvr22999874 -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/14/2014 10:43:22 PM)

It's easier for the hearing impaired to stick a button in their ear with a piece of string attached and running down to their pocket.
It doesn't improve their hearing but people see it and tend to raise thir voices significantly *smile*.




ElectraGlide -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/14/2014 11:13:10 PM)

I do not like healthy looking people parking in handicapped parking spots. I guess maybe they had an injury in the past, and still have the mirror tag, or a handicapped person is in the car that's not getting out of the car. So it makes no sense for the lazy sap to park there. One other complaint, why is it when a 450 pound person parks in the handicapped parking at The Golden Coral Buffet, does not look like a handicapped person inside the restaraunt, they run like Carl Lewis in the building and can knock you over like a NFL Linebacker at the food bar. Just wondering.




LafayetteLady -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/14/2014 11:28:45 PM)

Whether yyou like healthy looking people parking in the handicapped spot is irrelevant.

I don't "look" diabled, but I am, as are many other people. While I no longer drive, when I did, I had a handicap placard and parked in the designated spot.

My mother didn't look handicapped either, but she had a form of muscular distrophy. Once, as we got out of the car, a man was foolish enough to comment. While her body had physical limitations, her brain workedjust fine, and so did mine, along with an extensive vocabulary. That ass got the full thrust.

I'm grateful to not be in a wheelchair, although I sometimes need a cane. Its sad that I have takent to carrying the cane even at those times I don't need it, just so I don't need to deal with assholes who, without medical training or knowing me feel they have a right to determine by looking at me that I appear too healthy to use the handicapped space.




ElectraGlide -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/14/2014 11:47:12 PM)

I have no problem with people parking in Handicap spots that need them, its the people that do not need them that park in them and deprive handicap people of the parking spot. When some putz by him or herself with no one else in the car parks there and runs in and out of the store like a Boston Marathon runner it irks me.




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/15/2014 5:33:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ElectraGlide

I have no problem with people parking in Handicap spots that need them, its the people that do not need them that park in them and deprive handicap people of the parking spot. When some putz by him or herself with no one else in the car parks there and runs in and out of the store like a Boston Marathon runner it irks me.


You can't really KNOW who needs them though. I don't have a handycap placard. I live by the rule, use it or lose it so I try to walk as much as I can. My disabiliteis aren't readily visible though and while I may be in remission from time to tiime there are other periods when even extremely mild activities raise my blood pressure to very dangerous levels because of the vasculitis or the connective tissue disease is attacking my lungs and I have difficulty breathing or I'm just in severe pain. The point is, even though I chose NOT to have a handicap placard, I do qualify for one. If you saw me climb out of my Tahoe (or fall out as is often the case) you might think I didn't look dsabled but you can't know the sheer will it takes just to walk the parking lot into the store because I prefer to avoid bringing attention to myself so I'm probably sucking it up and doing my best to smile and be friendly.

At the same time, I do think that the handicap parking is most likely abused and people ARE parking there who should probably be leaving the spaces to those who need the wheelchair accessability. I base that off humanity in general. If there's a loophole, and a way to exploit things for convenience, we (humanity in general) will jump on it and exploit the hell out of it. Not our best trait though, and one I try my best to rise above.




DesFIP -> RE: I thought of a cute idea for disabled people to let people know easily the d if they wish (2/15/2014 5:58:29 AM)

My uncle had heart problems and back problems. He had a handicapped placard for his car. But he appeared perfectly normal when walking that very little way into a store. If he had been obliged to park at the far end of the lot? Then he would have needed a cane and a long time to painfully make his way. It was because he could park close that he looked normal.

I see no reason for people to park farther away and be in pain when their doctors and the DMV concur that they merit a handicapped tag, which allows them to manage with less pain. ElectraGlide insisting that they should be obviously in pain in order to use the handicapped parking spot leaves me shaking my head.




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