|
Milesnmiles -> RE: Evolution/Creation debate (2/21/2014 4:31:41 AM)
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: GotSteel
quote:
ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
Interestingly, you completely ignored this; "Early Christian Church
During the early Church period, with some exceptions, most held a spherical view, for instance, Augustine, Jerome, and Ambrose to name a few." but for you that is pretty much par for the course.
;-)
Nope you just failed at understanding things again, addressing that for you was the whole point of #3
quote:
ORIGINAL: GotSteel
3. Go read the rest of your link about how the Dark Ages flat earth scholarship was Bible based. You'll see Plato and Aristotle listed as sources for spherical earth theory. Flat earth theory, that came straight out of the Bible according to your source:
The science from the previous age was still around so scholars of the work of Plato, Aristotle, etc knew that the earth had been demonstrated to be spherical hundreds of years previous. Your link also points out that in the 1st century everyone had come to the point of accepting this.
After that there was a flat earth resurgence flying in the face of conclusive scientific evidence because of the Bible. That's right those who went with the Bible instead of science got demonstrable reality dead wrong. You know just like your creationism does now.
My understanding failed? Let's see who's understanding has failed.
""Myth of the Flat Earth" in modern historiography
Main article: Myth of the Flat Earth
Martin Behaim's Erdapfel, the oldest surviving terrestrial globe and finished before the news of the discovery of the Americas had reached Europe (1492), demonstrates that knowledge of the round Earth was common on the continent before.
During the 19th century, the Romantic conception of a European "Dark Age" gave much more prominence to the Flat Earth model than it ever possessed historically.
In 1945 the Historical Association listed "Columbus and the Flat Earth Conception" second of twenty in its first-published pamphlet on common errors in history.
This belief is even repeated in some widely read textbooks. Previous editions of Thomas Bailey's The American Pageant stated that "The superstitious sailors [of Columbus' crew] ... grew increasingly mutinous...because they were fearful of sailing over the edge of the world"; however, no such historical account is known. Actually, sailors were probably among the first to know of the curvature of Earth from everyday observations, for example seeing how mountains vanish below the horizon on sailing far from shore.
Some historians consider that the early advocates who projected flat Earth upon Christians of the Middle Ages were highly influential (19th-century view typified by Andrew Dickson White); current historians (late 20th-century view typified by historian and religious studies scholar Jeffrey Burton Russell) have asserted that White's and other writings projecting flat Earth belief upon Christians are inaccurate, citing centuries of theological writings, and suggested the motivations for the promotion of such inaccuracies.
According to Russell, the common misconception that people before the age of exploration believed that Earth was flat entered the popular imagination after Washington Irving's publication of A History of the Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus in 1828. Although some of the arguments attributed by Irving to Columbus's opponents had been recorded not long after the latter's death, here are only hints that any argued that the Earth was flat, in the argument that the ocean might be infinite in extent, repeated by later historians. Other arguments were based on the impossibility of the antipodes, the vast size of the Earth, the impossibility of going from one hemisphere to the others, and other arguments based on the sphericity of the Earth. Modern historians have dismissed the claim that they maintained the earth was flat as a fabrication of Irving's.
The only denial published at the time came from Zacharia Lilio, a canon of the Basilica of St. John Lateran in Rome in 1496. In a section entitled "That the earth is not round" he argues that "when they assert that the earth is round, Ptolemy and Pliny do not add to the evidence, collected on the spot, they simply make a conjecture based solely on reasoning". It is notable that Copernicus, writing only twenty years after Columbus in 1514, dismisses the idea of a flat Earth in two sentences and has to go back to the early Greeks to find a supporter, though he expends more effort on showing that other current ideas were fallacious and demonstrating the sphericity of the earth. In reality, the issue in the 1490s was not the shape but the size of the Earth, as well as the position of the east coast of Asia."
You seem to believe that the in the "dark ages" the belief of a flat earth was common and could be attributed to Christians, yet this portion of the article, plainly states that it is a myth, yet you still seem to believe it.
I even highlighted the salient point which says; "writings projecting flat Earth belief upon Christians are inaccurate", so it would seem your continuing to repeat this myth is "inaccurate", if not a down right lie.
;-)
|
|
|
|
