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RE: Are strong, smart women not desirable? - 2/7/2014 10:13:16 PM   
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Why are you even asking this question? Everyone's going to say that they prefer women with brains, regardless. You *know* that.

Peon's right. No guy is going to say he prefers dumb women. But I've found that sometimes, even often, men who initially like intelligence come to find it exasperating after awhile. As though they want it put away after the novelty wears off.

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RE: Are strong, smart women not desirable? - 2/7/2014 10:26:15 PM   
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exactly

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RE: Are strong, smart women not desirable? - 2/8/2014 9:19:42 AM   
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Hmmm,
On the average I think men don't want "dumb" women but "compliant" women. In other words, women that will put up with his idiotic shit like being enthralled with watching a bunch of burly guys in spandex Capri pants trying to insert what looks like a leather suppository into an "end zone". (Apologies to Ed Howdershelt for co-opting his line)
Competence is its own flavor of sexy. So often you run across a really intelligent competent woman but she is so jaded that all males are treated as recalcitrant livestock to be managed. And no intelligent, competent, man is going to settle for a relationship where he is being "managed".
Probably why some of those foxy strong women end up married to ineffectual rabbits.

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RE: Are strong, smart women not desirable? - 2/8/2014 10:15:20 AM   
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Hmmmm...it might just be me but I am oft discouraged by people telling others that something specific, especially aesthetic is wrong with them. Especially if it's a woman because I feel women often try very hard to "be compliant", "please others" and "change themselves" due to insecurity.
I'm not saying OP is any of those things, she seems to be a very confident, smart and strong young lady. This is more of a personal statement in regards to "we are the reason we attract assholes".
All women have dealt with those types at some point in her life, especially if she possesses attributes that make her "stand out".
"lose weight, get boobs, lose boobs, straighten hair, curl hair etc etc. (stealing these references from a blogger's signature I liked).
I think we're fed enough of that on a daily basis. We get it, there is always room for improvement. But there's no need to make someone think "something is wrong with how they perceive you initially" as the answer.


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RE: Are strong, smart women not desirable? - 2/8/2014 10:27:26 AM   
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Hmmmm...it might just be me but I am oft discouraged by people telling others that something specific, especially aesthetic is wrong with them. Especially if it's a woman because I feel women often try very hard to "be compliant", "please others" and "change themselves" due to insecurity.
I'm not saying OP is any of those things, she seems to be a very confident, smart and strong young lady. This is more of a personal statement in regards to "we are the reason we attract assholes".
All women have dealt with those types at some point in her life, especially if she possesses attributes that make her "stand out".
"lose weight, get boobs, lose boobs, straighten hair, curl hair etc etc. (stealing these references from a blogger's signature I liked).
I think we're fed enough of that on a daily basis. We get it, there is always room for improvement. But there's no need to make someone think "something is wrong with how they perceive you initially" as the answer.



I see your point (and I make my point generally, not in reference to the OP who I don't really know) but I do think considering why you attract certain types of people into your life is a worthwhile piece of self reflection.

If a person has a string of bad relationships, searching for a pattern is the first way to figure out what you can do to get a better situation next time. Sometimes we are giving off certain messages and sometimes we aren't making very good character judgements. Suggesting someone reflect on that is not the same as suggesting she change her appearance to please someone else.

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RE: Are strong, smart women not desirable? - 2/8/2014 12:37:13 PM   
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I have found that in the business world, men do not take aesthetically attractive women seriously intellectually. A lot of times they try to treat you like a stupid child (this was especially when I was younger). It may be a form of sexism/ageism. For some reason, a woman disagreeing with them is so emasculating they freak out. No kidding, I even had a sub who did that. It was the most amazing thing to see how upset he would get and start googling his little heart away, LOL. Not that it ever stopped me from speaking my mind. :)
I remember at the end of 2008 I was asked to pick a stock and well, any stock was a winner but I picked Caterpillar. It septupled in two years. But February 2009 my friend called me. Caterpillar went from $28 to $22 per share. So he was taunting me (He is a lifetime investor). He still says "the last thing she told me is to invest in Caterpillar" LOL.
Personal experience, I have only had one man admit I was smarter than him and we had a lovely vanilla relationship. :)
PS: I'm also pretty strong, (well my legs are) and it intimidated my small asian friend because she's 5'1 and I'm 5'9. I was bulkier then though, I'm pretty slim though I legpress more than really muscular girls but it's not intimidating. Subs, YES, they are always feigning/are intimidated. :)



Would you agree or disagree that within the current vanilla culture, males of lower intelligence rarely ever elevate themselves from "the friend zone" with strong females possessing superior intellect?

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RE: Are strong, smart women not desirable? - 2/8/2014 1:13:56 PM   
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I've talked to a lot of submissive men on here who seem to appreciate my intelligence. Keep looking. Like others have said, there are lots of guys who know the value of a smart woman and find intelligence sexy.

Spy



It's nice to see your perspective, as I began to feel as though I might be amongst a miniscule minority.

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RE: Are strong, smart women not desirable? - 2/8/2014 1:16:48 PM   
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Don't feel bad for us! Most of us will simply WALK away or attempt to get in her panties and leave her as soon as possible.

Dude. Seriously this is the kind of attitude that makes all men look like fucking idiots. Try using I and Me statements, OK?


Actually.... I appreciate comments like his for two reasons...

One... It separates me from guys like him.

Two... It separates woman who believe shit like that and those that just peg it on him!


It's actually a win-win from my perspective


I find your stance interesting due to the fact that the post I was responding to talked about women who pretty much lack personality in every sense of the word. With that said, what would normally happens to women or men that might come off as rude, superficial, and narcissistic?

Your experience may very well differ but mine has been that those individuals often complain about the sort of people they attract. They usually blame all their partners or the opposite sex for being "x, y, and z" without doing any retrospection to their behavior or mentality.

Now, would I attempt to get in some girls (the term girl is being used to describe women who act like the above) pants? Probably not because I don't have the patience to deal with their attitudes. However, I do not feel bad for those women (or men) because lack of personality don't deserve mine or anyone's respect.

So, if some guy uses them then whose fault is it: the guy that only cares about getting laid or the immature women that hates men and come off as a cunt? Again, that was the post I was responding to.

Good day



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RE: Are strong, smart women not desirable? - 2/8/2014 1:25:26 PM   
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I like igor's post.



Igor's perspectives are typically interesting.

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RE: Are strong, smart women not desirable? - 2/8/2014 2:20:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChaoticIntent

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists


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ORIGINAL: ChaoticIntent


Don't feel bad for us! Most of us will simply WALK away or attempt to get in her panties and leave her as soon as possible.

Dude. Seriously this is the kind of attitude that makes all men look like fucking idiots. Try using I and Me statements, OK?


Actually.... I appreciate comments like his for two reasons...

One... It separates me from guys like him.

Two... It separates woman who believe shit like that and those that just peg it on him!


It's actually a win-win from my perspective


I find your stance interesting due to the fact that the post I was responding to talked about women who pretty much lack personality in every sense of the word. With that said, what would normally happens to women or men that might come off as rude, superficial, and narcissistic?

Your experience may very well differ but mine has been that those individuals often complain about the sort of people they attract. They usually blame all their partners or the opposite sex for being "x, y, and z" without doing any retrospection to their behavior or mentality.

Now, would I attempt to get in some girls (the term girl is being used to describe women who act like the above) pants? Probably not because I don't have the patience to deal with their attitudes. However, I do not feel bad for those women (or men) because lack of personality don't deserve mine or anyone's respect.

So, if some guy uses them then whose fault is it: the guy that only cares about getting laid or the immature women that hates men and come off as a cunt? Again, that was the post I was responding to.

Good day




Clearly... You don't seem to understand why your comment that MisterP61 found problematic.... No problem here... My points still apply.


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RE: Are strong, smart women not desirable? - 2/8/2014 2:40:49 PM   
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On line, I find it's signal-to-noise.
The majority of men are wonderful. Smart, funny, appreciative, good.
The majority of men of men online aren't: they're mean, manipulative, poorly socialised, unattractive, and porn-addicted do-me bottoms, or sadists, and often married or otherwise cheating. And boy, howdy, are they loud.
And because they're soooo obnoxious, they tend to drown out the nice and truly sub men. For me, it's finding the cello solo in a misogynistic rap battle.


It's hard not to get discouraged with all that Seussian noise, noise, noise, but the nice ones are out there, and in here. And they really are *wonderful*.

And don't worry about a few of the older doms and personality disorders who wander in and piss all over any forum; it's like they need to mark territory but have prostate problems, so they just spray. They don't offer suggestions, just blame: best to treat them like a doddering old ex-general at a nursing home, let them ramble and they shuffle back quietly to their bed-sit, muttering about their old days and dribbling from various orifices.

So, block 'em, vent about 'em in an amusing manner like they imagine we do about their penises, and good luck finding the good ones.

Edited to add 'truly sub'

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RE: Are strong, smart women not desirable? - 2/8/2014 3:20:04 PM   
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How am I supposed to understand ones point of view when that view lacks explanation? So, no, I do not understand why he found my statement to be problematic. Also, I will not respond to someone who attacks me as a person, especially, when they do not know me at all.

With that said, I responded to your message because I found your arrogance intriguing and decided to respond. But, since your entire logic of why your points are correct is based off of the above individual's statement, I have become slightly disappointed and no longer interested.


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RE: Are strong, smart women not desirable? - 2/8/2014 9:30:23 PM   
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I never understood the insecurity about this, honestly. But then again, I am a man so maybe I don't see it from the other side.

From my vantage point, intelligent people find other intelligent people highly attractive. I can't think of any instances to counter this. When someone says intelligence is off putting, it really just means they are batting out of their league intellectually and are resorting to a sour-grapes orientation to it. I disregard them entirely from that point on.

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RE: Are strong, smart women not desirable? - 2/8/2014 11:26:12 PM   
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You are right. One time, during an email exchange with a lawyer, he asked me why I used such big words.

I said I enjoy words and like to utilize our entire lexicon and why would that bother a lawyer whose words can win or lose cases?

He said, "well, I like smart women, but I feel less stress with a bimbo, like all men".

He said "smart women ask too many questions".

Then he asked when we might meet.

I said never, because smart women listen really well and I heard enough.


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RE: Are strong, smart women not desirable? - 2/9/2014 1:59:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: subfever

Would you agree or disagree that within the current vanilla culture, males of lower intelligence rarely ever elevate themselves from "the friend zone" with strong females possessing superior intellect?


If I may opine here until GM can provide you with her own opinion -

- Inferior/superior intellect aside for a moment, those persons who come across as intellectuals can be off-putting or perceived as arrogant. (Which could be true)
- Some people mask their feelings with intellectual discourse. Therefore it makes it harder to connect with such an individual on a heart-to-heart level.
- Women in general express their emotions more easily than men do (except for anger & displeasure, if a people-pleaser). Men in general are more reluctant to reveal their tenderer emotions. Consequently, males have a tendency to look to females for a certain subjective quality of expression, not detached objective reasoning. (To decipher, validate and/or express their feelings for them, in other words)
- Men can feel invalidated if a woman appears to be sparring with them. They live most of their lives in a competitive atmosphere with other men, which is a stressful adrenaline-pumped state. They seek out the company of women for relief from that for the most part.
- It might be more accurate to say men are more inclined to put women in the "friend zone" if they are consistently operating on a mental level with one another, such as on the job, in their business dealings, academia, etc.
- Intellectual foreplay is practiced by sapiosexuals to engage one another; they find this to be sexually exciting. If you aren't one, this type of foreplay will not fall within your radar and you won't understand what are the rules of the game that is being played.

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RE: Are strong, smart women not desirable? - 2/9/2014 2:33:44 AM   
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Intelligent ladies are always desirable to me.

I think that this subject runs off the rails because of what it's joined with.

What does "strong" mean? Does it mean a lady can lift a Volkswagen?

Does it mean that she's a dominant in all areas except the bedroom?

I have met plenty of ladies that were of the opinion that D/s only happens in the bedroom. They labeled themselves "submissive" and off they go, leaving a well-worn path of destruction in their wake.

I think the word "strong" is open to far too many interpretations.

I will say this; you know the old saying about "if you have to tell people you're a lady ..."? When I see: "I'm a strong woman ..." on a profile, I stop reading for two reasons; either they're telling me that because they're really kind of wishy-washy ("If you have to tell people ...") or (in my experience) she is the lady I described starting with my fifth sentence.





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RE: Are strong, smart women not desirable? - 2/9/2014 8:47:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ChaoticIntent

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ORIGINAL: KnightofMists


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ORIGINAL: MisterP61

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ORIGINAL: ChaoticIntent


Don't feel bad for us! Most of us will simply WALK away or attempt to get in her panties and leave her as soon as possible.

Dude. Seriously this is the kind of attitude that makes all men look like fucking idiots. Try using I and Me statements, OK?


Actually.... I appreciate comments like his for two reasons...

One... It separates me from guys like him.

Two... It separates woman who believe shit like that and those that just peg it on him!


It's actually a win-win from my perspective


I find your stance interesting due to the fact that the post I was responding to talked about women who pretty much lack personality in every sense of the word. With that said, what would normally happens to women or men that might come off as rude, superficial, and narcissistic?

Your experience may very well differ but mine has been that those individuals often complain about the sort of people they attract. They usually blame all their partners or the opposite sex for being "x, y, and z" without doing any retrospection to their behavior or mentality.

Now, would I attempt to get in some girls (the term girl is being used to describe women who act like the above) pants? Probably not because I don't have the patience to deal with their attitudes. However, I do not feel bad for those women (or men) because lack of personality don't deserve mine or anyone's respect.

So, if some guy uses them then whose fault is it: the guy that only cares about getting laid or the immature women that hates men and come off as a cunt? Again, that was the post I was responding to.

Good day



OK. Since you do not understand what I did not like about your statement I will try to explain. I knew what post you were responding to. It was not a personal attack, but rather just Me asking you to use I and me statements. It was the generalization of men that I took exception to, not the context of what you said (saying ALL women are sluts because My ex-wife cheated on Me is an example. They are not, which is why IMO, it is wrong). We are all entitled to our opinions, and if you read some of My other posts, freedom of speech is pretty important to Me, and I try My best to not use that as a weapon to browbeat people. I am human, which means I am not always successful at this.

I can tell from your writing that you are intelligent. This is a plus in My book. I understand why you say that a lot of people complain about who they attract, like somehow it is the other persons fault. Some people do and that is a fact. Problem is that, those are the only ones most people read (either to make them selves feel better or just because it is human nature to watch these "train wrecks"). I make no bones about who I am attracted to. I accept that there is a certain personality I find attractive (yes, intelligent and strong is part of it, the whole person concept (side note to DS, I put MY own definition on "strong" without a definition added in someone's writing, and that is a woman who knows who and what she is). We all have our differences in what we see as problematic, and I would never impose that on You).

Keep in mind that it is not just women who get used in the context of what you are saying. It happens to men as well. To assign blame or fault is part of the problem. I don't know what happened to them growing up (something that shapes every human being out there), or if they were beaten down so bad that they believe they deserve all they get (there are numerous examples, so these are but a couple). Hope you stick around. I have a feeling we may actually have some interesting conversation and/or debates.


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RE: Are strong, smart women not desirable? - 2/9/2014 9:17:19 AM   
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RE: Are strong, smart women not desirable? - 2/9/2014 12:14:31 PM   
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If I may opine here until GM can provide you with her own opinion -



Great post! And spot on the money! Thanks.

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RE: Are strong, smart women not desirable? - 2/9/2014 2:12:04 PM   
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Put something in your profile that you enjoy but may not be something an idiot would understand. Maybe a quote, some kind of technical jargon about something only an educated person would understand (it has to be something you actually like and would like to talk about though), a book that you enjoyed and would like to talk about,etc....


I like that. Neat trick. It also makes a woman's profile intriguing.

If I didn't understand, I'd look it up. If all research fails, I'd simply ask about it.

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