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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/15/2014 5:14:14 PM   
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Finally thought to do what I should have before posting my gun question, which was to check Google.

In terms of gun ownership, I found an ATF document that seems to indicate some instances in which non-citizens can own firearms.

I also found a guide to federal firearms laws that said, "Legal Immigrant on a Visa (permanent resident with a green card) – May possess firearms and ammo; may purchase firearms from an FFL after establishing residency in a State, 27 C.F.R. §478.11, definition for 'State of residence'" (section 12).

As for drivers' licenses, a tardily-fired neuron reminded me that I actually know non-citizens who live here legally and possess licenses.

Any state that will issue a concealed carry permit to a non citizen could not reasonably use that for voter ID.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/15/2014 5:15:52 PM   
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What the hell happened to trust in America?

I honestly do believe that the Republican drive for photo Ids is because of the belief that Democrats in the big cities are cheating….right or wrong. Democrats believe that the Republicans want photo Ids to make it harder for Democrats to vote.

Damnit... both are wrong all because of mistrust.

Would it have been cool if the Republicans had expressed their fears to Democrats and ask for their help to figure a way alleviate the fears of their constituents. A whole different attitude could have solved the problem by making sure all could vote yet make voter fraud harder.

God Damn politicians.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/15/2014 5:23:49 PM   
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I wasn't one so how would I know?


To label them as foreigners would open them up to discrimination.
So there wouldn't be one, thus student IDs would be useless.

Bullshit.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/15/2014 5:25:29 PM   
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The student ID discussion raises a question I'm curious about. Are gun permits limited to U.S. citizens? How about drivers' licenses?

Not just gun permits but gun ownership.
I was in a gun store where they said they couldn't sell because the buyer was from out of state.

That is a violation of the law. So I really doubt it happened.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/15/2014 5:27:02 PM   
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FR

Finally thought to do what I should have before posting my gun question, which was to check Google.

In terms of gun ownership, I found an ATF document that seems to indicate some instances in which non-citizens can own firearms.

I also found a guide to federal firearms laws that said, "Legal Immigrant on a Visa (permanent resident with a green card) – May possess firearms and ammo; may purchase firearms from an FFL after establishing residency in a State, 27 C.F.R. §478.11, definition for 'State of residence'" (section 12).

As for drivers' licenses, a tardily-fired neuron reminded me that I actually know non-citizens who live here legally and possess licenses.

Any state that will issue a concealed carry permit to a non citizen could not reasonably use that for voter ID.

Texas will issue a concealed carry permit to a legal resident non citizen but will allow that same CCP to be used for voter registration.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/15/2014 8:53:15 PM   
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The student ID discussion raises a question I'm curious about. Are gun permits limited to U.S. citizens? How about drivers' licenses?

Not just gun permits but gun ownership.
I was in a gun store where they said they couldn't sell because the buyer was from out of state.

That is a violation of the law. So I really doubt it happened.

It happened here in Alabama, are you an expert on Alabama law.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/15/2014 8:54:53 PM   
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FR

Finally thought to do what I should have before posting my gun question, which was to check Google.

In terms of gun ownership, I found an ATF document that seems to indicate some instances in which non-citizens can own firearms.

I also found a guide to federal firearms laws that said, "Legal Immigrant on a Visa (permanent resident with a green card) – May possess firearms and ammo; may purchase firearms from an FFL after establishing residency in a State, 27 C.F.R. §478.11, definition for 'State of residence'" (section 12).

As for drivers' licenses, a tardily-fired neuron reminded me that I actually know non-citizens who live here legally and possess licenses.

Any state that will issue a concealed carry permit to a non citizen could not reasonably use that for voter ID.

Texas will issue a concealed carry permit to a legal resident non citizen but will allow that same CCP to be used for voter registration.

On the assumption that this post is more fact based than your last I would not consider it a valid voter ID

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/15/2014 8:56:15 PM   
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I wasn't one so how would I know?


To label them as foreigners would open them up to discrimination.
So there wouldn't be one, thus student IDs would be useless.

Bullshit.


If you are so sure there is a difference what is it?

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/15/2014 9:00:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		At this point, we've ruled out student IDs, drivers' licenses, and gun permits. What's left?

Of course, the legislators crafting these laws could save us all a lot of time and trouble if they simply cut to the chase and required one to prove GOP membership.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/15/2014 9:28:14 PM   
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The student ID discussion raises a question I'm curious about. Are gun permits limited to U.S. citizens? How about drivers' licenses?

Not just gun permits but gun ownership.
I was in a gun store where they said they couldn't sell because the buyer was from out of state.

That is a violation of the law. So I really doubt it happened.

It happened here in Alabama, are you an expert on Alabama law.

Yes. The only restriction on firearms sales in Alabama is going through the FBI background check. There is no waiting period or any other restriction.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/15/2014 9:29:33 PM   
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I wasn't one so how would I know?


To label them as foreigners would open them up to discrimination.
So there wouldn't be one, thus student IDs would be useless.

Bullshit.


If you are so sure there is a difference what is it?

I'm saying there is no restriction on identifying the student as not a citizen on their ID.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/15/2014 9:48:32 PM   
BamaD


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Status: offline 		Yes. The only restriction on firearms sales in Alabama is going through the FBI background check. There is no waiting period or any other restriction.

So you think that what you think you know trumps what I saw.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/15/2014 9:49:59 PM   
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At this point, we've ruled out student IDs, drivers' licenses, and gun permits. What's left?

Of course, the legislators crafting these laws could save us all a lot of time and trouble if they simply cut to the chase and required one to prove GOP membership.

In Alabama they issue a voter registration card, they could just put a photo on it.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/15/2014 9:51:44 PM   
BamaD


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Status: offline 		I'm saying there is no restriction on identifying the student as not a citizen on their ID.

And I am saying is there is no requirement to.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/16/2014 4:15:23 AM   
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Yes. The only restriction on firearms sales in Alabama is going through the FBI background check. There is no waiting period or any other restriction.

So you think that what you think you know trumps what I saw.

I'm saying what I know trumps what you claim. I have bought a gun while visiting family in Alabama without any problem.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/16/2014 9:21:58 AM   
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Yes. The only restriction on firearms sales in Alabama is going through the FBI background check. There is no waiting period or any other restriction.

So you think that what you think you know trumps what I saw.

I'm saying what I know trumps what you claim. I have bought a gun while visiting family in Alabama without any problem.

Then you bought a long gun.
My research shows that you can buy a long gun in another state as long as it meets the requirements
of your home state.
If you bought a handgun it was illegal as at best they would have to ship it to an FFL holder in IL.
But you can't do it over the counter.


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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/16/2014 9:33:24 AM   
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Yes. The only restriction on firearms sales in Alabama is going through the FBI background check. There is no waiting period or any other restriction.

So you think that what you think you know trumps what I saw.

I'm saying what I know trumps what you claim. I have bought a gun while visiting family in Alabama without any problem.

A retailer can refuse service to someone whether they are in state or not so long as they aren't violating any of the non discrimination acts.
It doesn't matter if they're a gun dealer or not.
You will see most places have a sign that says.
"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason" Are you saying those signs are illegal?

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/16/2014 11:00:10 AM   
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Yes. The only restriction on firearms sales in Alabama is going through the FBI background check. There is no waiting period or any other restriction.

So you think that what you think you know trumps what I saw.

I'm saying what I know trumps what you claim. I have bought a gun while visiting family in Alabama without any problem.

A retailer can refuse service to someone whether they are in state or not so long as they aren't violating any of the non discrimination acts.
It doesn't matter if they're a gun dealer or not.
You will see most places have a sign that says.
"We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason" Are you saying those signs are illegal?

I guess that would be true but a gun dealer would be lying saying they couldn't sell a gun to someone from another state in Alabama.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/16/2014 11:05:34 AM   
BamaD


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Status: offline 		I guess that would be true but a gun dealer would be lying saying they couldn't sell a gun to someone from another state in Alabama.

They can't sell a handgun over the counter to an out of state person.
That can lead to a company having a policy of not selling a handgun to an out of state person period.
But you need for someone to be a liar don't you.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/16/2014 11:10:19 AM   
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"NRA Used to Support Background Checks, Now Favors More Illogical, Unpopular Position"


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/01/nra-flip-flops-on-background-checks.html

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