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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/16/2014 11:11:40 AM   
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I guess that would be true but a gun dealer would be lying saying they couldn't sell a gun to someone from another state in Alabama.

My point is that it is not illegal (as you claimed) to refuse to sell a firearm to a certain person based only upon their state of residence.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/16/2014 11:25:20 AM   
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I guess that would be true but a gun dealer would be lying saying they couldn't sell a gun to someone from another state in Alabama.

My point is that it is not illegal (as you claimed) to refuse to sell a firearm to a certain person based only upon their state of residence.

Yes, it is. You could refuse to sell to a person because you don't like his looks but you could not categorically refuse to sell to people from out of state.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/16/2014 11:27:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

I guess that would be true but a gun dealer would be lying saying they couldn't sell a gun to someone from another state in Alabama.

My point is that it is not illegal (as you claimed) to refuse to sell a firearm to a certain person based only upon their state of residence.

Yes, it is. You could refuse to sell to a person because you don't like his looks but you could not categorically refuse to sell to people from out of state.

Apparently not since I saw it happen.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/16/2014 11:31:44 AM   
Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

I guess that would be true but a gun dealer would be lying saying they couldn't sell a gun to someone from another state in Alabama.

My point is that it is not illegal (as you claimed) to refuse to sell a firearm to a certain person based only upon their state of residence.

Yes, it is. You could refuse to sell to a person because you don't like his looks but you could not categorically refuse to sell to people from out of state.

What part of "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason"
is not penetrating your skull?



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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/16/2014 12:15:55 PM   
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back on subject.
What is wrong with the voter Id card, as issued by AL and other states having a photo?

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/16/2014 12:25:00 PM   
DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

I guess that would be true but a gun dealer would be lying saying they couldn't sell a gun to someone from another state in Alabama.

My point is that it is not illegal (as you claimed) to refuse to sell a firearm to a certain person based only upon their state of residence.

Yes, it is. You could refuse to sell to a person because you don't like his looks but you could not categorically refuse to sell to people from out of state.

What part of "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason"
is not penetrating your skull?

The part where it violates the civil rights act. A business cannot deny access to any class of people.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/17/2014 5:42:54 AM   
Hillwilliam


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The part where it violates the civil rights act. A business cannot deny access to any class of people.


The bolded part is totally incorrect.
The civil rights acts only protect certain "Protected classes"
Among those are race, color, age, gender, family status, religion, creed, disability and veteran status.
I naively assumed you were aware of that as you saw yourself well enough informed to argue the point.

I was quite clear that "as long as you don't violate any of the civil rights acts" in my original post on the subject.

Please show me where someone belongs to a protected class based upon their state of residence.

They don't. Therefore a shop owner can refuse to sell to those who are out of state.

Game, Set, Match.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/17/2014 2:49:15 PM   
DomKen


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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The part where it violates the civil rights act. A business cannot deny access to any class of people.


The bolded part is totally incorrect.
The civil rights acts only protect certain "Protected classes"
Among those are race, color, age, gender, family status, religion, creed, disability and veteran status.
I naively assumed you were aware of that as you saw yourself well enough informed to argue the point.

I was quite clear that "as long as you don't violate any of the civil rights acts" in my original post on the subject.

Please show me where someone belongs to a protected class based upon their state of residence.

They don't. Therefore a shop owner can refuse to sell to those who are out of state.

Game, Set, Match.

You left out one of the protected classes. Place of origin. You seem to have watched the serve go by.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/17/2014 4:32:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
The part where it violates the civil rights act. A business cannot deny access to any class of people.

The bolded part is totally incorrect.
The civil rights acts only protect certain "Protected classes"
Among those are race, color, age, gender, family status, religion, creed, disability and veteran status.
I naively assumed you were aware of that as you saw yourself well enough informed to argue the point.
I was quite clear that "as long as you don't violate any of the civil rights acts" in my original post on the subject.
Please show me where someone belongs to a protected class based upon their state of residence.
They don't. Therefore a shop owner can refuse to sell to those who are out of state.
Game, Set, Match.

You left out one of the protected classes. Place of origin. You seem to have watched the serve go by.


Riiiiiight, place of origin means where you are residing.

So, if a guy born in Mississippi currently lives in Alabama, is it discriminating against his "place of origin" if he isn't allowed to buy a gun in GA?


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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/17/2014 5:07:33 PM   
DomKen


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
The part where it violates the civil rights act. A business cannot deny access to any class of people.

The bolded part is totally incorrect.
The civil rights acts only protect certain "Protected classes"
Among those are race, color, age, gender, family status, religion, creed, disability and veteran status.
I naively assumed you were aware of that as you saw yourself well enough informed to argue the point.
I was quite clear that "as long as you don't violate any of the civil rights acts" in my original post on the subject.
Please show me where someone belongs to a protected class based upon their state of residence.
They don't. Therefore a shop owner can refuse to sell to those who are out of state.
Game, Set, Match.

You left out one of the protected classes. Place of origin. You seem to have watched the serve go by.


Riiiiiight, place of origin means where you are residing.

So, if a guy born in Mississippi currently lives in Alabama, is it discriminating against his "place of origin" if he isn't allowed to buy a gun in GA?


You're welcome to litigate it. I don't think you'd like the out come. Blanket refusal to serve people has not done well in the courts.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/17/2014 5:26:09 PM   
DesideriScuri


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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
The part where it violates the civil rights act. A business cannot deny access to any class of people.

The bolded part is totally incorrect.
The civil rights acts only protect certain "Protected classes"
Among those are race, color, age, gender, family status, religion, creed, disability and veteran status.
I naively assumed you were aware of that as you saw yourself well enough informed to argue the point.
I was quite clear that "as long as you don't violate any of the civil rights acts" in my original post on the subject.
Please show me where someone belongs to a protected class based upon their state of residence.
They don't. Therefore a shop owner can refuse to sell to those who are out of state.
Game, Set, Match.

You left out one of the protected classes. Place of origin. You seem to have watched the serve go by.

Riiiiiight, place of origin means where you are residing.
So, if a guy born in Mississippi currently lives in Alabama, is it discriminating against his "place of origin" if he isn't allowed to buy a gun in GA?

You're welcome to litigate it. I don't think you'd like the out come. Blanket refusal to serve people has not done well in the courts.


Great non-answer, Ken.

Not selling a gun to a guy that is from a different state isn't the same as not selling a gun to everyone that is from a different state. You're confusing a refusal to an individual to a blanket refusal.

But, you keep rolling along as you do.


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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/18/2014 5:15:01 AM   
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back on subject.
What is wrong with the voter Id card, as issued by AL and other states having a photo?



Well according to the liberals it will stop not only the elderly and people of color from voting, it is also going to stop women too. Now I can sorta understand the first two, although I still am not buying that it's the reason they are pushing the law. But I can't figure out how it's going to stop women from voting. I guess they figured they could throw them into the mix and no one would notice. Ramp up that "war on women" they keep harping on about. And then they wonder why I don't trust anything they say.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/18/2014 6:29:55 AM   
DomKen


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: DomKen
quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen
The part where it violates the civil rights act. A business cannot deny access to any class of people.

The bolded part is totally incorrect.
The civil rights acts only protect certain "Protected classes"
Among those are race, color, age, gender, family status, religion, creed, disability and veteran status.
I naively assumed you were aware of that as you saw yourself well enough informed to argue the point.
I was quite clear that "as long as you don't violate any of the civil rights acts" in my original post on the subject.
Please show me where someone belongs to a protected class based upon their state of residence.
They don't. Therefore a shop owner can refuse to sell to those who are out of state.
Game, Set, Match.

You left out one of the protected classes. Place of origin. You seem to have watched the serve go by.

Riiiiiight, place of origin means where you are residing.
So, if a guy born in Mississippi currently lives in Alabama, is it discriminating against his "place of origin" if he isn't allowed to buy a gun in GA?

You're welcome to litigate it. I don't think you'd like the out come. Blanket refusal to serve people has not done well in the courts.


Great non-answer, Ken.

Not selling a gun to a guy that is from a different state isn't the same as not selling a gun to everyone that is from a different state. You're confusing a refusal to an individual to a blanket refusal.

But, you keep rolling along as you do.


BamaD claimed the gun dealer could not sell to anyone from another state.
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I was in a gun store where they said they couldn't sell because the buyer was from out of state.

Which even BamaD has admitted was incorrect.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/18/2014 9:47:21 AM   
DesideriScuri


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BamaD claimed the gun dealer could not sell to anyone from another state.
quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD
I was in a gun store where they said they couldn't sell because the buyer was from out of state.

Which even BamaD has admitted was incorrect.


Again, you may be confusing a single event with an across the board rule.


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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/18/2014 9:55:47 AM   
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It is not illegal to sell long guns (shotguns and rifles) across state lines.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/18/2014 10:16:54 AM   
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The student ID discussion raises a question I'm curious about. Are gun permits limited to U.S. citizens? How about drivers' licenses?

Not just gun permits but gun ownership.
I was in a gun store where they said they couldn't sell because the buyer was from out of state.

That is a violation of the law. So I really doubt it happened.

It happened here in Alabama, are you an expert on Alabama law.

Yes. The only restriction on firearms sales in Alabama is going through the FBI background check. There is no waiting period or any other restriction.


To quote you... Bullshit.

In order to buy a pistol from a FFL dealer in another state, the said dealer has to transfer the firearm to a FFL dealer in your state before you can take possession. I can't just drive to Ohio or Kentucky, buy a handgun, and bring it home with me.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/18/2014 10:30:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

FR

The student ID discussion raises a question I'm curious about. Are gun permits limited to U.S. citizens? How about drivers' licenses?

Not just gun permits but gun ownership.
I was in a gun store where they said they couldn't sell because the buyer was from out of state.

That is a violation of the law. So I really doubt it happened.

It happened here in Alabama, are you an expert on Alabama law.

Yes. The only restriction on firearms sales in Alabama is going through the FBI background check. There is no waiting period or any other restriction.


To quote you... Bullshit.

In order to buy a pistol from a FFL dealer in another state, the said dealer has to transfer the firearm to a FFL dealer in your state before you can take possession. I can't just drive to Ohio or Kentucky, buy a handgun, and bring it home with me.

So? How is that preventing the sale?

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/18/2014 10:46:32 AM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: dcnovice

FR

The student ID discussion raises a question I'm curious about. Are gun permits limited to U.S. citizens? How about drivers' licenses?

Not just gun permits but gun ownership.
I was in a gun store where they said they couldn't sell because the buyer was from out of state.

That is a violation of the law. So I really doubt it happened.

It happened here in Alabama, are you an expert on Alabama law.

Yes. The only restriction on firearms sales in Alabama is going through the FBI background check. There is no waiting period or any other restriction.


To quote you... Bullshit.

In order to buy a pistol from a FFL dealer in another state, the said dealer has to transfer the firearm to a FFL dealer in your state before you can take possession. I can't just drive to Ohio or Kentucky, buy a handgun, and bring it home with me.

So? How is that preventing the sale?

Because they have to ship it to a dealer in your state and you actually buy it from him, not Alabama
rules ATF

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/18/2014 10:49:19 AM   
BamaD


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He cannot by ATF regulation make an over the counter sale to someone from out of state.

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RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID - 2/18/2014 10:54:18 AM   
DomKen


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Which even BamaD has admitted was incorrect

He cannot by ATF regulation make an over the counter sale to someone from out of state.

Yes you can. You pay and it is shipped to a dealer in your home state or if it is a long arm you take possession.

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