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kdsub -> RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID (2/13/2014 12:37:05 PM)

I will accept them... I posted a link to all state requirements...take Arkansas for instance. The only people that can vote without a photo id are members of a retirement facility but only with an affidavit from the administrator... or... The provisional ballot will be counted if the voter returns to the county clerk or county election commission by noon the Monday after the election with either proof of identity or an affidavit swearing the voter has no photo I.D. because of indigence or a religious objection to being photographed.

No problem with me... how about you?

Butch



mnottertail -> RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID (2/13/2014 12:38:56 PM)

Those are the escapes I am talking about.  As an American I have a large problem with them.  As a Minnesotan considering Missourians, I could give a fuck less what those toofless fuckheads do down there.



kdsub -> RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID (2/13/2014 12:48:21 PM)

lol... will at least you did not dodge my question... that really pisses us toothless fuckheads OFF



mnottertail -> RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID (2/13/2014 12:59:54 PM)

well, so long as you guys dont go negative on fed taxes with all this cornpone shit, I guess it aint that big a deal, it aint like I am paying for it.



kdsub -> RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID (2/13/2014 1:01:31 PM)

I must admit... I would trade my legislature in a second for yours....lol



mnottertail -> RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID (2/13/2014 1:05:00 PM)

well we just went democrat majority after a few years of republican majority and jesus for the fiscal imbecility and corruptions and scandals from those republican years, we are still digging out.

LOL, like I said, Romney never had a chance in MN, he sent Pawlenty here to stump for him, he was that out of touch.  Pawlenty couldn't deliver a newspaper, if he had a newspaper boy showing him how to do it.



thishereboi -> RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID (2/13/2014 8:22:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Just because one party or the other has their reasons for being for or against does not and should not determine your view.

Here I must heartily disagree. I think responsible citizenship demands that we consider whether a proposed reform stems from (a) a sincere effort to address a documented problem or (b) a quest for partisan advantage.



If the folks against this idea had put the same energy and time into getting everyone in the country an ID card that they put into crying about how unfair it is, the problem would be solved.



mnottertail -> RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID (2/14/2014 6:16:42 AM)

If the folks for this idea had put as much time and energy into fixing our fiscal mess and our economic mess and our employment mess as they have done on hysterically fulminating this asswipe, those problems would be solved.



papassion -> RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID (2/14/2014 2:31:55 PM)

We vote on a computer "machine" and do NOT get a printout of how we voted. Why not? They would help ensure confidence in the system. Those precincts in Philadelphia where Romney did not even get ONE vote. Nobody made a mistake or had bad vision and accidently pushed the "Romney" selection?

Even a cheap home computer setup usually includes a printer. The cost the government paid for the voting machines was probably a lot, and no printer? Just the fact that the people had receipts of their vote would be another deterent. If election officials announced a landslide for a politician, and the doubting citizens gathered and compared their vote slips, fraud would be evident.

Voter ID to vote, and printed results of how you voted. We need both.



BamaD -> RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID (2/14/2014 2:34:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: papassion

We vote on a computer "machine" and do NOT get a printout of how we voted. Why not? They would help ensure confidence in the system. Those precincts in Philadelphia where Romney did not even get ONE vote. Nobody made a mistake or had bad vision and accidently pushed the "Romney" selection?

Even a cheap home computer setup usually includes a printer. The cost the government paid for the voting machines was probably a lot, and no printer? Just the fact that the people had receipts of their vote would be another deterent. If election officials announced a landslide for a politician, and the doubting citizens gathered and compared their vote slips, fraud would be evident.

Voter ID to vote, and printed results of how you voted. We need both.

But doesn't that undermine secret ballot?
I mean do you what (pick your thug organization) to know how you voted?
If you can do this and maintain secret ballot I am all for it.



dcnovice -> RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID (2/14/2014 2:48:24 PM)

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If the folks against this idea had put the same energy and time into getting everyone in the country an ID card that they put into crying about how unfair it is, the problem would be solved.

A few thoughts:

(a) This has nothing to do with the point I made.

(b) Why should the burden of providing IDs fall on those who oppose voter-disenfranchisement efforts? Isn't it up to those agitating for ID requirements to find a way to provide them without effectively creating poll taxes?

(c) Were MLK & co. "crying about how unfair it is" when they opposed discrimination?



cloudboy -> RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID (2/14/2014 3:35:16 PM)


Here is a fact for you. Higher turnout favors the democrats, lower turnout favors the republicans.

Now filter in: burden is on the voter to get an an ID and we'll tune you away from the voting booths if you don't show up without one.

You can suppress the vote and blame the voter at the same time. It is a win-win for Republican candidates.

I also read this tidbit today in the New Yorker.

In Texas a gun permit qualifies you to vote under the ID law just passed there, but, a student ID is unacceptable.

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Frankly, voting laws should not be issued by members of political parties. Also, I'm not making up that jaw dropper about Texas.



kdsub -> RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID (2/14/2014 3:46:07 PM)

DC... what do you think of the existing state laws and the exceptions that Ron and I were talking of? Many states explicitly say IDs are free and some will provide aid in getting them... And... Even if they don't have an ID they can still vote with a provisional ballot which can count if the voter meets some conditions that do not require a photo ID.

Butch 



BamaD -> RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID (2/14/2014 3:56:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Here is a fact for you. Higher turnout favors the democrats, lower turnout favors the republicans.

Now filter in: burden is on the voter to get an an ID and we'll tune you away from the voting booths if you don't show up without one.

You can suppress the vote and blame the voter at the same time. It is a win-win for Republican candidates.

I also read this tidbit today in the New Yorker.

In Texas a gun permit qualifies you to vote under the ID law just passed there, but, a student ID is unacceptable.

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Frankly, voting laws should not be issued by members of political parties. Also, I'm not making up that jaw dropper about Texas.

So we should allow fraudulent voters as that helps Democrats.
And we should pretend that a student ID has the same level of verification as a pistol permit.



dcnovice -> RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID (2/14/2014 4:08:49 PM)

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And we should pretend that a student ID has the same level of verification as a pistol permit.

How do the verification processes differ?



BamaD -> RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID (2/14/2014 4:16:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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And we should pretend that a student ID has the same level of verification as a pistol permit.

How do the verification processes differ?

You pay your tuition you get an student Id.
You need a background check to get a permit.



kdsub -> RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID (2/14/2014 4:19:14 PM)

cloudboy... I sent you some mail on the other side if you are interested.

Butch



dcnovice -> RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID (2/14/2014 4:27:08 PM)

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You pay your tuition you get an student Id.
You need a background check to get a permit.

Are you now arguing that a background check should be a voting requirement?

Otherwise, what does it matter so long as each type of ID does the job of establishing the person's identity?



cloudboy -> RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID (2/14/2014 5:01:13 PM)

Some people simply have no grasp of bias, political chicanery, or letting facts shape an opinion. If someone wants to think 2 + 2 = 5 -- there's no way for us to change his mind.

When called upon to cite actual figures for voter fraud, the proponents of ID laws have had scant evidence to support the claim. How can you argue with anyone who makes firm conclusions contrary to the hard evidence?

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KD: no mail in inbox.



dcnovice -> RE: NAACP protesting voter ID requires picture ID (2/14/2014 5:04:14 PM)

You're right, of course.

I've just been distracting myself from assorted things I don't feel like facing tonight.



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