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RE: Community views on switches? - 2/11/2014 7:45:01 PM   
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for me personally, that's not how I define D/s. It's not about being restrained or controlled and everything to do with one person being a dominant personality and the other a submissive personality and if you can change your personality from one to the other, I think most psychologists would see that as a double personality. LOL

What you describe to me, at least how I read it, sounds like you are talking about sex and play.



No, it is definitely not just part of sex and play. It just has to be restrained to that or the relationship would go insane.

And you come at that from the assumption that you can only have a "submissive" personality, or a "dominant" personality. You view them as mutually exclusive, that those traits don't make sense in one personality.

Yet I inevitably have both cravings at all times. And yeah, that's extremely hard to explain to people.

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RE: Community views on switches? - 2/11/2014 8:00:00 PM   
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Yeah you're right about how I think. I'm traditional and I have traditional views. You asked how I viewed switches and that's how I feel.


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RE: Community views on switches? - 2/11/2014 8:05:40 PM   
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That's fair enough. But I also hoped you'd have an open mind when I share that. Obviously not.

At least I now know to expect some people will call me a liar. So thanks

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RE: Community views on switches? - 2/11/2014 8:09:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pg4g

If I'm a switch ... Does that mean I'm not interested in D/s, or am I really into it but the conflict of desires only allows it to be played out to it's fullest at different times?


You're the only one who can answer that for yourself. But if I may, I think that you are one of those switches who thrives in a D/s dynamic and have sought it out. Not all switches are interested in getting into a D/s relationship, and for a female submissive like littlewonder, it wouldn't work for her. She needs a Dom who will be her Master, not a Master who will want her to Top him.

In order for a S/switch to pair up with a submissive, either the sub should have an inherent ability or desire to switch in compatible ways or else the Switch partner will have to suppress his own sub tendencies, unless they have agreed he can have another play partner. With someone like littlewonder and myself, who are monogamous, this isn't acceptable. I know I would walk because I'm not wired to share my partner with anyone else.

If a S/switch pairs up with a Dominant, then they would be faced with a similar situation. This is workable for some couples, but it wouldn't be for me. Even if a male switch suppressed any of his Dom impulses, I don't know that I could ever fully trust him to not need an outlet for those urges at some point in the future. I haven't ruled out getting with a male switch who leans heavily toward submissiveness. My cousin has been successful with her switch partner and they are madly in love, so I know it's possible for this pairing to work out beautifully. They may be exceptional, however.

The only other D/s couple I've seen where monogamy works for them is with two switches where one is more Dominant and the other is more submissive. I don't know of any who are both balanced on the D/s spectrum, so I can't comment on how well that actually plays out in an LTR.

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RE: Community views on switches? - 2/11/2014 8:16:44 PM   
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I never called you a liar. That's coming from your own insecurities about yourself.


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RE: Community views on switches? - 2/11/2014 8:20:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

I never called you a liar. That's coming from your own insecurities about yourself.



Not at all.

I know what I feel and who I am. I stated what I felt and who I was. You said you were traditional and disagreed that it's possible, even after I'd stated my case. Thus I would have to be lying about what I feel, and who I am in the first place.

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RE: Community views on switches? - 2/11/2014 8:35:50 PM   
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She said it sounded more like play than a relationship commitment. And, honestly, I agree. You enjoy being controlled, until you don't. And then you enjoy controlling, until you don't. Only doing what you enjoy, when you enjoy it, is a mark of playtime. In any serious relationship, sometimes people do things they don't enjoy, for the good of the relationship.

According to your posts on this thread, as I read them anyway, you're looking for a relationship between feisty equals, not for a D/s relationship. I don't see anything wrong with this, but I don't understand why you're concerned that people would see it that way.

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RE: Community views on switches? - 2/11/2014 8:48:22 PM   
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One problem you will have is that lots of male bottoms claim to be switches but once they get into a relationship with another switch, they insist on always being the bottom. Not saying this is something you would do, but it happens a lot so you shouldn't get upset if people don't want to deal with you. You will be paying for someone else's lies.

But I'm not sure why you're getting all upset about people saying you aren't into d/s when you make it clear that this is just fun and games. Topping and bottoming is not the same as dominance and submission. If you're viewing them as synonyms, then that's your mistake.

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RE: Community views on switches? - 2/11/2014 9:12:45 PM   
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Synonyms? No. But perhaps I am mistaken nonetheless.

Realistically, it's irrelevant to the discussion. And I think that's been answered, so thanks.

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RE: Community views on switches? - 2/11/2014 9:23:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

I never called you a liar.


I'm sorry, littlewonder.

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RE: Community views on switches? - 2/11/2014 10:24:09 PM   
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To the OP, I personally never got or get what the heck the big saga is about switches. Everyone has their fetishes, likes and dislike, soft and hard limits, and preferences. I don't understand how a switch can be any different. I am switch and I enjoy both sides of the island. I have been both submissive and Domina in the past...I simply prefer to enjoy both dynamics. Period. End of story. No chapter readings or buying Switches for Dummies. Just a plain ole switch.

My point is that don't worry about what anyone thinks about you. Enjoy life and for those who cannot handle you saying you are switch...tell them to buy the Cliffnotes on it.



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RE: Community views on switches? - 2/11/2014 10:25:42 PM   
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pg4g.... question: What do you think of switches? IMO that's the only thing that matters. You are free to go to any munch you choose. Be who you are and people will either like you or not. That you have no control over.

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RE: Community views on switches? - 2/11/2014 10:29:33 PM   
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I keep seeing people insist that pg is confusing topping and bottoming with D/s, or is otherwise insincere in his desire to genuinely dominate and submit. I'll admit that I have a really hard time imagining a true D/s dynamic existing in a single relationship that could fluctuate like that but that doesn't mean that the desire isn't genuine and it also doesn't mean it couldn't exist as multiple relationships for PG. I am also not ruling out the possibility of truly dominating one another and trading that role, I just have a hard time imagining it.

I know the community in the part of the Midwest I live in has no problem whatsoever with switches. We do have some odd issues with queers though, I say that only because at events wristbands are handed out for people who want to make their preference clear and also make it clear they want partners. The colors available are Dom, sub, switch, and queer. queer seems, to me, to be something which coexists with Dom,sub or switch, not a replacement. I guess queers looking could always wear two wrist bands, but I never saw anyone actually do so.

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RE: Community views on switches? - 2/11/2014 10:57:23 PM   
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If I'm not mistaken, OP is or was in approximately a 4-5 (?) year relationship with his sub, so this was more than mere fun & games for them. Some of us prefer a "traditional" D/s power-exchange dynamic and wouldn't have it any other way for ourselves. Others choose to implement it differently. One methodology isn't better or superior to the other, and this is where value judgments may enter in. Ultimately we choose for ourselves what rocks our world.

I will make an admission for your sake pg4g, that when I said earlier that I wouldn't rule out a switch, I've actually been hoping to find a "unicorn" switch, one who is straight AND monogamous AND mainly submissive. The reason being I've only had 2 male subs who were virile enough for me to enter into an LTR with them. A few others had to go by the wayside. Not to disparage male subs, but it's even more of a unicorn hunt to find ones who are sexually compatible with me. I don't know whether this info is helpful to you or not, but I didn't want you to assume that I was implying I was just willing to "settle" for a (straight male) switch.

Btw, I appreciate your comment about alphas, [pseudo-alphas] and pseudo-submissive males. The same could apply to females, I venture to guess, both in flowing with and in opposing the current.

Enjoy yourself and make new friends! All the best.

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RE: Community views on switches? - 2/12/2014 12:12:49 AM   
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Yeah, 5 years and counting. And definitely more than fun and games.

I certainly didn't read that into what you said, but I appreciate it.

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RE: Community views on switches? - 2/12/2014 4:35:50 AM   
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pg4g, what you have to get in your head is, a D/s relationship that consists of one full time dominant and one full time submissive is no better than what you have. Its no purer, its no more real and its no more worthy. It just is what it is.



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RE: Community views on switches? - 2/12/2014 4:43:12 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1


I'm familiar with two definitions of a BDSM switch:

1. Someone who alternates between topping and bottoming -- flexible in play.

2. Someone who can take on either the dom or sub role in a relationship, and makes that choice depending on the chemistry with the other person. Inside that relationship, the switch might not be flexible in play.

So (1) is sort of like "kinky" and (2) is sort of like "bisexual."

There's also a third category, which I've especially seen among dominant women. That is: someone who is vanilla or sub in their primary relationship, but who also dominates a submissive or submissives in a secondary relationship. I've never heard those people called switches, but they aren't just one thing either.


According to your definition, I'm not a switch. According to mine, I most definitely am. (Though I admit I self identify as a switch for the purpose of educating people).

In any case I've never had issues in a real time setting. In fact, when people learn I am a switch I make more sense to them as a person.

Good luck on your first munch OP.

ETA:

I really wanted to comment on Lw's posts. It's been my experience that those who lean heavily toward submission or dominance *may* have a very hard time with those of us who switch. No, I'm not a double personality, I *am* very dual natured. And I most strongly feel being dual natured is every much as valid as not being.

Also, I agree with this post:


quote:

ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I've always believed that no one is 100% dominant or submissive.

Imagine how fucking ugly that would be:

One of the main traits of a dominant is that they like things done their way. If someone were 100% dominant, there would be no quarter given on almost all issues.

Conversely, someone who is 100% submissive (I would think) would be a person who never takes a stand (I've posted about this in re parenting). That could be equally ugly.

So, I believe that all of us are "switches" to some degree or another. I'm not talking about the kink, per se; I have no love of pain but played two years of rugby at the "young" age of 33-35. The pain was intense. I didn't so it for the pain. I did it for the game.

What I mean is in the actual inter-personal relationships, we all "switch" to some degree or another.

Now, you're worried about people looking down their noses at you? I would say that comes from insecurity; much like the "straight" man that doesn't want to associate with a gay man. It's not "homophobia". It's insecurity about their own sexuality. I would say anyone that treats you poorly is because they're not all that secure in their own path.

In other words: Fuck 'em ... right where they take their soup.



Good luck,



Michael




I've been saying none of us are 100% sub or dom for years.

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RE: Community views on switches? - 2/12/2014 5:13:52 AM   
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I think we're bewildered because the op says he's a d/s switch but also says he wants a relationship without a power dynamic. So if you aren't looking for a power relationship, then aren't you just looking for kink?

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RE: Community views on switches? - 2/12/2014 9:12:45 AM   
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Naturally me being all Domly Dom and shit, I couldn't contribute much. For some ungodly reason this thread made me think how much I love my cock being worshiped. Of course that derailed me strait to how much I love eating pussy... Fuck.... I think I'm a switch.

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RE: Community views on switches? - 2/12/2014 9:32:11 AM   
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~FRing it~

I've honestly never experienced the perceived switch bias anywhere other than online. Not here of course, but elsewhere. In all honesty, OP...why give a flying fuck what some random stranger at a tame event like a munch thinks of you anyway? Your switching is probably being made a bigger deal in your own mind than it is in reality.

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