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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/12/2014 3:25:35 PM   
Dvr22999874


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Status: offline 		I agree with you Malcolm................I've read the book of the Postman many times and still enjoy it. I saw the movie once and wouldn't bother to watch it again. It bore very little resemblance to the book at all.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/12/2014 4:27:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Brilliant novel turned into one of the worst movie debacles of all time (right behind Waterworld which was even worse.)

I think Costner is a great actor, but as a director he sucks.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/12/2014 7:24:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Are you people all serious...Yes, be prepared for a natural disaster as we all should be like here in California because of a massive earthquake or whatever happens in your area.....but government collapse? Come on! Life is too short for crazy worries....are these the same people who believed in the Mayan calendar?

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/12/2014 7:59:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Government collapse? Um, have you ever seen the week after a hurricane hits? A localized collapse but you know what they say about government, "Any government is only three missed meals away from a revolution."

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/12/2014 9:34:53 PM   
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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/12/2014 10:03:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		2003 Ironhorse Rouge Race frame and headset. 1600 g.
2001 Manitou Mars Super, NOS. 1500 g.
Ritchey 120mm stem. 140 g.
Kalloy 'Dirt Research' bar. 135 g.
Ritchey foam grips. 25 g.
Mirror on left bar-end plug. 30 g. Serves as kickstand.
Wine cork right bar-end. 2 g. Think, cookie cutter. We don't want that.
XLC comp seatpost. 235 g.
WTB Rocket V titanium saddle 215 g
Slow-release clamp. 25 g.
LX m565 light action hydraulic shifter/brakes. 950 g.
XT m751 180mm crankset 22/32/44 + bottom bracket. 930 g - 25g aluminum granny -8 aluminum ring bolts - 25 titanium crank bolts = 872 g
AEST titanium pedals. 170 g.
XTR m951 Rapid Rise rear derailer. 205 g. Built backwards, so spring aids downshifting. Matches LX m565 shifter, also Rapid Rise.
XTR m952 front derailer. 115 g.
XTR m953 12-34 Cassette. 250 g. Option : 11-28 cassette 200 g.
Chain about 300 g.
Mavic MX819 disc wheelset. 1950 g. Tubeless, no spoke holes. Heavy duty, not race wheels. Could drop 250 grams, right here, keeping the rims. $160. Or, swap on race day.
WTB Lupine 1.9" tubeless tires. 1010 g.
Slime 4 oz per tire. 230 g.
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That comes to just about ten kilos. Half what a downhill bike weighs. 27 gears, from 4'4" to 25'5" per crank. Not specially fast, spinout around 28mph, but it should climb fairly well. I don't think anyone I need to worry about is going to catch me. And I think bit of mace will slow 'em down, if it comes to that. Just let me put the finishing touches on, and I can give my HardRock to my brother. then we can both ride about, post Apocalipto.

Really. Kevin has all the guns. So, of course I'll be riding over to see him. And who wants to hassle about gas.


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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/12/2014 10:34:50 PM   
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An awful lot of people think that the government will always be there to pick up the pieces. They forget that Europe was in pretty much the state of governmental collapse for a period of years twice in the last century. Unless you were in Eastern Europe where it was pretty much the whole century.

Same thing has happened in most parts of South America, many parts of Asia and is the status-quo in most of Africa.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/12/2014 11:40:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		When I was in West Africa, a man could pick up a handful of small diamonds for a few packs of C Rations or some cigarettes. Chocolate was no big deal but any bulky food that would hold body and soul together for a few days was worth killing for..............and that happened fairly often from what I saw. In fact cannibalism was not that uncommon.
The locals often used home-made muskets with a wide bore that would fire any old crap they shoved down the barrel. Thery might have looked strange and often blew up in the face of the user but they did a lot of damage if you happened to be in the way. I lost a couple of comrades that way.
Trade goods were food, cigarettes, cartridges.............gold, silver diamonds and all that other stuff was worthless to the locals, if not to us. We knew we had a chance of getting out of there. For them, the horror might never end.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/13/2014 6:33:03 PM   
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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/13/2014 6:35:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Having some guns, ammo and K rations will suffice for awhile. Your number one problem will be with those without that are already today armed gangs.

How many cops do you think will stay on the job if the govt collapses. I say zero. They, like you, are going to be worrying about #1.

Worried about a collapse then the first thing you need right now is a remote location with a good water source, well hidden preferably in a box canyon. Think you can defend it yourself - wrong. Need a score of armed persons that know how to shoot and hit center mass. People who will go out and kill any animal for food and share it. Staples like flour, sugar, salt will be hard to have enough of.
Your biggest issue will be staying hid. People find you and will want what you have. Maybe to share maybe to steal.

Unless you have a huge supply of ammo, NATO calbs, then you would probably be best off with a musket. All you need is gun powder, ammo can be made from most anything. Another choice is a good bow and lots of arrows, they are quiet you can hunt and kill without notifying the neighbors you are there and after the kill you get your arrow back. Need a couple of real good knifes too, one for killing/skinning and a swiss army for utility.

Gold, precious metals are only worth something if someone else has a need for them.

Start learning now what plants can be eaten and what can't, that kid that went to Alaska ate the wrong berries. Learn how to skin a animal and use its pelt for clothing. The plains indian used every part of the buffalo.

Otherwise stick your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/13/2014 8:15:16 PM   
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Having some guns, ammo and K rations will suffice for awhile.



MRE's contain food that is highly processed, high carb, high calorie, are loaded with salt and even the US Government says they shouldn't be eaten for more than 21 days in a row. (World Series Quake, some people were without power, gas and water for up to a month) So, while we have a few for a bug out situation, we won't be using them in a situation where we have "bugged in". We have invested in freeze dried food items and pre-package our own meals so that we can be sure of better balanced meals that don't contain Frankenfoods.



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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/14/2014 2:00:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yup. That stuff is for short-term use only, and honestly, after just a week of it, I remember dreading the next brown bag tossed my way.

Paladin, I'd even pass on the musket, and go straight to the bow for actual hunting, and leave the firepower in reserve until it's really needed. Hunting will be problematic at best, the best bet would be trapping small game and foraging more than bringing home a deer. I do disagree with the 'remote location' part. First you have to get to it, and then you have to hold it. Alone. In population centers, while it might get hairy at times, the general consensus is that most people (the majority) wouldn't turn savage, and those that did would be overwhelmed by sheer numbers, if nothing else.

Nor would there be the "Golden Horde" mass exodus because most of the residents would want to stay close to whatever logistics infrastructure remains. Eventually, unless we're really hammered by something, things will start coming back together, and cities and towns are be design where materiel flows to, not remote encampments in the hills.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/14/2014 2:08:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry? Which "Europe" would you be referring to here?

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/14/2014 2:10:03 AM   
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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/14/2014 9:42:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		As to commodities and the mention of MREs.

A MRE diet is, if I remember correctly, about 6000 calories a day. Works well for intense physical activity for young bodies but a bit excessive for emergency rations if you are hunkered down after a disaster. Mountain House makes backpacking foods but they are pricey and not all that palatable.

Now, what to put back for emergency rations. Ramen noodle packages pop to mind. Frankly, ramen with shredded squirrel and kettle gravy is quite tasty. Country cured ham and bacon stores at room temperature for years. Southern traditional dishes like hominy and grits have very long storage lives. (If you don't know how to make hominy, cmail me. Not really to my taste but it is 18th-19th century camp rations.)

What would you put back in case you have to hunker down for a few weeks?

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/16/2014 7:12:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: playfulotter

Are you people all serious...Yes, be prepared for a natural disaster as we all should be like here in California because of a massive earthquake or whatever happens in your area.....but government collapse? Come on! Life is too short for crazy worries....are these the same people who believed in the Mayan calendar?



You're right, life's very short. I consider this cheap entertainment, which might come in handy at some point. And I understand that the odds of any kind of long-term-collapse type of situation are very, very, long.

And, just for the sake of conversation, isn't the need for natural disaster preparation precisely due to the (admittedly short term) collapse of government and services?

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/16/2014 7:19:47 AM   
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Most of the suggestions would work in either instance, I think. Let's face it, everyone here would experience profound changes if the supply system were shut down for more than a week when you think about it.


I differentiate between short-term and long-term because I wouldn't bother with things like toilet paper for long-term preparation. Obviously, it's a convenience item. But, if I'm going to have to learn to get along without anyway, might as well save that space for something that will be useful in the long term.

I agree that sprouts are pretty outstanding. But if I have time to grow sprouts, I'm letting those little guys (and gals, I suppose) mature fully. The produce would either become a welcome addition to the winter larder or to the table for the "Hey the lights are back on!" party.

OsideGirl: Thanks for posting the recipe!

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/16/2014 8:08:03 AM   
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Lead for water pipes? It leaches into the water. Not a good idea at all.


are you kidding me? lead has been the STANDARD water line practicly since plumbing existed

here is the TRICK, the line will coat itself INSIDE with calcuim from the water that passed threw it...

I have a lead water line serving my house RIGHT NOW, from the main in the street to the tee head at the sidewalk and INTO the basement
if it were to be replaced it would be replaced with copper now, I bet 30 to 40% of the houses in they city of st Louis are LEAD...

OK OK let the BRAIN DAMAGE jokes commence

PS, I have been a plumber for 30 years!


You are aware that in almost every European country lead water pipes are banned and have been replaced, why would the governments go through such massive expenses if it wouldn't be needed?

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/16/2014 9:07:39 AM   
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As to commodities and the mention of MREs.

A MRE diet is, if I remember correctly, about 6000 calories a day. Works well for intense physical activity for young bodies but a bit excessive for emergency rations if you are hunkered down after a disaster.
Our packages say 1200 calories each.

quote:

Mountain House makes backpacking foods but they are pricey and not all that palatable.
And again, highly processed, loaded with salt and contain preservatives.


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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/16/2014 9:24:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BitYakin


quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Lead for water pipes? It leaches into the water. Not a good idea at all.


are you kidding me? lead has been the STANDARD water line practicly since plumbing existed

here is the TRICK, the line will coat itself INSIDE with calcuim from the water that passed threw it...

I have a lead water line serving my house RIGHT NOW, from the main in the street to the tee head at the sidewalk and INTO the basement
if it were to be replaced it would be replaced with copper now, I bet 30 to 40% of the houses in they city of st Louis are LEAD...

OK OK let the BRAIN DAMAGE jokes commence

PS, I have been a plumber for 30 years!


why would the governments go through such massive expenses if it wouldn't be needed?


lets start with the GOV, doesn't PAY FOR IT, they just tell the building owner, DO THIS, and end with this question for you, WHY would the gov's require WATER SAVING fixtures when 2/3's of the earth is covered with water...

POLITICS maybe? so they can SAY they are LOOKING OUT FOR US! ya know get the votes of tree huggers etc etc etc...

PS. banned YES, everywhere! replaced, only as NEEDED, you'd be VERY SURPRIZED to find out how many LEAD water lines are still in use world wide

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