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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/16/2014 9:36:37 AM   
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As to commodities and the mention of MREs.

A MRE diet is, if I remember correctly, about 6000 calories a day. Works well for intense physical activity for young bodies but a bit excessive for emergency rations if you are hunkered down after a disaster.
Our packages say 1200 calories each.

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Mountain House makes backpacking foods but they are pricey and not all that palatable.
And again, highly processed, loaded with salt and contain preservatives.


Far better and cheaper is to simply stock up on canned foods, and save the MREs/backpacking foods for when you have to trek somewhere on foot. That's their real salient point, lightweight and shelf-life. If you're holed-up at home, you simply don't need to have them available except for foot journeys. And as other point out, they are supercharged with preservatives, and frankly, most taste awful, at least to me. A 79 cent can of pork & beans is tastier, cheaper, and probably better than a similar offering that's freeze-dried, vacuum-packed, and costs five bucks a package. And probably has a shelf life similar to the high-tech noshies as well.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/16/2014 9:39:39 AM   
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Let's start that you don't know much about Europe....

Yes in the buildings it's the responsibility of the owners, but you know there are pipes leading to the buildings and they were all replaced, and that's government money...

Maybe you would be surprised to find out that your idea of "everywhere in the world" isn't really much in touch with Europe, you know that weird place with mostly functioning social nets and stuff...

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/16/2014 10:37:03 PM   
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I'll stockpile all the silver and lead you guys don't want.

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silver is a dumb thing to stockpile.

If you are really worried about the collapse of society stockpile goods you can barter. non perishable food stuff, ammo, tools, liquor, spare parts, nails, screws etc.

You better stockpile silver or you'll be sorry when the zombie werewolf apocalypse happens. Gotta' make ahead shot with a silver bullet. What are you gonna' make bullets out of?



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Lead for water pipes? It leaches into the water. Not a good idea at all.

I am thinking you're gonna' wish you had lots of lead for bullets. It's gonna' take a hailstorm of hot lead to stop the Nazi Fembot Invasion Army from taking over!



Not only will you need silver and lead, but you better have a stash of wood for making stakes. The ninja strippers and evil cheerleaders will be nothing compared the to the lesbian vampires when the time comes. (Lesbian Vampire Killers is perhaps one of the greatest and funniest movies ever)






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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/17/2014 9:46:42 AM   
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Reminds me, a buddy made some bullets as a joke and suddenly was getting orders for them after putting a picture on facebook.

Mahogany round with silver core and lead base and stainless jacket. Calls em 3fer bullets.

Now, if you want government guidance on preparing for the zombie apocalypse, I refer you to the US CDC website.

http://www.cdc.gov/phpr/zombies.htm



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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/17/2014 5:22:32 PM   
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I always keep an eye out for lesbian nazi vampires.

You should too.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/17/2014 8:38:14 PM   
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We have four feet of snow pack and are now expecting heavy rain and way above average temps. Emergency prep here will be to not need to go to town for anything for a week. The snow will melt and the river will flood. My ten minute drive to town becomes an hour.



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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/17/2014 8:54:49 PM   
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I'll trade a bolt from a 90 lb pull crossbow for whatever the fool walking alone down the road has in his pockets and pack. My life or his ? He loses.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/25/2014 2:55:41 PM   
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When I said armed gangs I wondered if anyone would get what I meant.
EVERY town and city has it's own taxpayer funded armed gang. Our govt is currently equipping them with the latest high tech military grade arms and vehicles. When the govt falls, if you have something they want, they are gonna take it. Who is going to help you stop them, most Americans are so apathetic now it's scary. The amount of police brutality happening every day is staggering and getting worse. Their 00 license is "I was in fear for my safety and the safety of my partner." Even with extensive video of them breaking the law few are fired, less are tried, convictions are as rare as hen's teeth and most get a paid vacation while on suspension during the "investigation". They have murdered law abiding citizens for holding a cell phone or Wi controller.

The safest place will NOT be the cities.


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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/25/2014 3:50:35 PM   
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When I said armed gangs I wondered if anyone would get what I meant.
EVERY town and city has it's own taxpayer funded armed gang. Our govt is currently equipping them with the latest high tech military grade arms and vehicles. When the govt falls, if you have something they want, they are gonna take it. Who is going to help you stop them, most Americans are so apathetic now it's scary. The amount of police brutality happening every day is staggering and getting worse. Their 00 license is "I was in fear for my safety and the safety of my partner." Even with extensive video of them breaking the law few are fired, less are tried, convictions are as rare as hen's teeth and most get a paid vacation while on suspension during the "investigation". They have murdered law abiding citizens for holding a cell phone or Wi controller.

The safest place will NOT be the cities.





To quote Homer Simpson... "DOH!"

First, I have a 10 day supply at the house, which is out of town, the rest is at a nice remote piece of property accessible by one road. Between the gate and the buildings is a nice deep dry creek bed, 40 feet across and about 20 deep, nice steep sides, remove a total of 16 bolts and drag the steel plates to the building side, and they gonna have to do an imitation of a tight rope walk to get across.

Not a sure fire way to keep people out, but it will keep vehicles out and put the intruders on my terms.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/26/2014 7:59:49 AM   
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I really only made this thread with finding out peoples thoughts on trade and barter commodities in mind.
I thought that Preppers would be a good source of modern day insight into this idea.

While people's thoughts on fighting a one man war against a zombie apocalypse are all well and good, it's not really a commodity.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/26/2014 11:58:53 AM   
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Along those lines, then, I'd add hard candy. It lasts this side of forever, has universal appeal, and when you're feeling the post-apocalyptic zombie-killing blues, a starlight mint can put a smile on your face.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/26/2014 4:56:56 PM   
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At the height of the economic crisis when some people were fearing the worst and beginning to prepare for a government collapse. A lot of people started to stockpile silver with the hope that it would enable them to trade for goods after paper money became useless.

To all you Preppers, I was wondering did you go this route? Or what were your ideas about commodities and trading in the event people were unable to just go to the store and buy things.

What commodities ideally would you wish to have to trade/ what would be those commodities you think would have the most utility in those kind of situations?

Guns and Ammo? grains?

And what if anything have you done to date in terms of preparing down that path?

On the same kind of note. What do you believe would be solid basis for a barter/ basic commodities economy?
Say a community that was self-sufficient.

I don't know much about Amish people but I'm assuming their way of life would be a good model.

Just became curious about this stuff all of a sudden... No idea why.


I think prudent folks still do much of the above.

I've got 5 acres and I make enough not to worry about a lot of this stuff but I have about 3/4's of an acre, all sprinklered, on a well, and I grow my own food.

Not that I actually do anything with it (like canning and such)...I give away 90% of it but, over the last 5 years I've learned how to. It was quite the process....first 4 years....crazy shit....totally unproductive, weak crops, horrible results....tried really hard not to use chemicals, found out that the bugs that invade corn hate soap (nice and cheap....doesn't kill.....me.....), sprayed all my corn...that year...no bugs....great corn.

My onions sucked (now they don't), carrots were awesome....they keep fucking growing if you don't take them out of the ground....not quite the size of a mini van but....BIIIIIIIG carrots.....any time I wanted some (still pulling carrots out from 4 years back).

Potatoes (looooove potatoes), after 3 years, the 3 year olds tend to rot but, every year, the crop gets bigger and bigger and all you need to do is....go get some potatoes, and the rotting potatoes are fertilizer (I'm hoping....I actually don't know that to be true).

I have more guns today than 5 years ago and a stash of bullets that has also grown....but, I don't anticipate any kind of Apocalypse.

I do have a great sign out front that a friend gave me that says "I have several guns inside this house, all are loaded and within my reach. They are for your protection....not mine".

(Love that sign :) )

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/26/2014 6:12:08 PM   
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jif1961 - Sounds like the nearly ideal place.

Oh, in that case, definitely candy, esp if you have a van to offer it from ;)

Saw a pic of sign hanging over the entrance to a ranch in MT. Metal cutout of a rifle and above it - "We don't call 911"


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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/27/2014 12:41:18 PM   
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Hard candy... long term storage requires an airtight container and a desiccant. Sugar is mildly hygroscopic. Read that as sugar absorbs water from the air. Hard candies left on a shelf with slowly dissolve into a sticky goo. As anyone from the deep south that has raised kids and found the goo traps under the sofa from the peppermint lost there. <grin> I remember one brand of peppermints "Lion" that used to come in a paint can so they wouldn't get sticky in storage or shipping.

BTW, a small mesh bag of rice makes a fairly decent desiccant. Silica Gel is better and can be baked for re-use but not readily available.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/27/2014 3:18:29 PM   
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On the other hand, hard candy, while not directly a wealthy commodity, will help with winning over the parents of children you give them too. It's actually quite a clever idea.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/27/2014 3:23:38 PM   
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On the other hand, hard candy, while not directly a wealthy commodity, will help with winning over the parents of children you give them too. It's actually quite a clever idea.


Actually this makes me think of stocking up on contraceptives, if hard candy will be in demand, think how much condoms will be in demand?

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/27/2014 3:36:01 PM   
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With both, I'd defer to MerchTech, as he's correct about shelf storage. But, vacuum-sealing should add some time to their shelf-lives (condoms & candies). Hey, that'd make a great name for a specialty store.

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/27/2014 5:40:00 PM   
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In five years I hope to be self dependent for 90% of my food sources. Raising my own poultry, beef, and pork. Growing all my own fruits, veggies, and spices.

This is strictly for prepper reasons, it's also very important to me health wise. That's about as far as my prepper tendencies go, for now.


Just inventoried my spices. Three extracts - almond, peppermint, and vanilla - and 25 dried, not including the blends - Italian Seasoning, Chili Powder, Garam Marsala, Curry Powder. I have three perennials that will come back - chives, sages, and peppermint - and two ravaged by a critter - thyme and spearmint. Am keeping a parsley alive by covering it with protectant cloth.

Will be growing maybe a half dozen herbs this season, but I can't imagine becoming self-sufficient with spices...

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/27/2014 5:44:12 PM   
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I don't know how useful they'd be for trade, but I would want a major stockpile of sanitary towels/tampons, and some reliable method of birth control. Those are two modern comforts I would not willingly go without. I'm guessing other women would feel the same so they would maintain some value, albeit not at the level of food and fuel.


Behold!

http://www.mooncup.co.uk/
http://gladrags.com/category/28/GladRags-Cloth-Pads.html

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RE: Emergency Preppers (storable commodities) - 2/28/2014 6:17:10 AM   
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Oh I love this thread. My sister and I are preppers (cause we're old hags, but I digress).

We have stored food for us (only 6 weeks worth..ya ya I know we're slacking). We also have spices!! I think one of the other posters said it. We have a variety of cheap (dollar store) spices and a whole lot of salt (bags in the garage).

I loved the idea about books. I hadn't thought of that. How to manuals, or even just complied information from the internet and printed. Could be worth it's weight in ....toilet paper. Bleach and tinfoil is next on the buying list. I think we've concluded with the help of CDC information that we need to last in the house about a month. After that we can venture out and trade for other things.

Oh and we have a lot of pasta, because you don't need to cook it. Just soak it in water. :)

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