jlf1961
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Back in the day you would have been burned for those foul words you have uttered.
First you show me where I have not spoken truth. I have read the bible probably 90 times since I was 13, I am 53 now.
Secondly, only the neo christian denominations preach this "Saved" bullshit.
Third, if you insist on the orginal sin concept, you might want to pull the proper scriptures out of your ass to prove your point.
Fourth, the early church was not Christian at all, it was based in Judaism. Christians were, wait for it, non Jews converted to the teachings of Christ. The Jews that had accepted the teachings of Christ were still considered Jews. Hard concept for some neo christian bullshiters to understand, but hey.
Fifth, the idea of a "Christian" church did not even come into existence until long after Christ had been crucified.
Sixth, most of what "Christians" believe are not based in the teachings of Christ, but in the writings of Paul. And if you actually do an in depth study of Paul's writings you will see where he is clearly in contradiction with Jesus.
Seventh, Jesus died for the sins of man, now you want to tell me just where HE said that you had to be "saved" "baptized" and accept him as a personal savior to qualify for that gift?
Or better yet, you show me in scripture where he said "Everyone who never had a chance to hear my teachings is out of luck and going to hell."
Hell, even the Prophet Muhammad taught that the "People of the book" would go to heaven even if they did not convert to Islam. For the record Allah, aka God, aka Yahweh, aka Jehovah, aka Iam is the same guy we pray to, the difference is that Islam teaches that Jesus was a prophet. You see, we are all sons and daughters of Abraham, thru Noah.
If you dont believe me, read your bible, preferably the King James version, or if you can get a direct translation, the Aramaic or Greek versions.
I am sorry, but the God of my understanding may be vengeful at times, is not so stuck in dogma as to eliminate people from heaven just because they never had a chance to hear the teachings of Jesus, or exclude his chosen people, or the sons and daughters of Abraham.
Now, let me explain a little fact.
As we know, Isaac the son of Abraham fathered the nation of Israel.
But let us not forget Ishmael, whom God also promised Abraham that he too would be blessed, and from him shall arise 12 princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.” Genesis 17
So, if you insist that only those "saved" and "baptized in the name of Jesus" and of course "born again" are the only ones that will be allowed into heaven, then God must be planning to ignore those he blessed and gonna leave them swinging in the wind.
Mind telling me what scripture explains that? You know, that god is going to ignore all those who descended from Isaac and Ishmael and withdrawal his blessing?
As for Back in the day you would have been burned for those foul words you have uttered.
You have to prove your case of heresy. Now just which conditions are you going to use, those of the Spanish Inquisition or perhaps those of the Protestant churches that were used to execute Catholics?
First you have to prove that I have said anything that was not in scripture.
Failing that, you would have to prove I am speaking against set dogma, and that depends on which criteria you want to use. If you follow the Inquisition, you sir, are screwed. I have not said anything contrary to Catholic Dogma.
Now if you are using the protestant criteria, then you are going to have to use the fact that I am Catholic and venerate the saints, because that is all you got.
Now can we get back to the discussion, that being is a child born good?
The Neo Christian crap has nothing to do with the question.
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