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RE: Healthy Addiction? - 2/15/2014 4:54:06 AM   
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Nukldo - your OP (opening post) is reminding several of us of this thread. I suggest you check it out:
How do men and women treat the same situation (diferently)?

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RE: Healthy Addiction? - 2/15/2014 5:26:06 AM   
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He came on to complain that his urges are negatively impacting his life. That any subordinate calling him Sir is giving him a mis-timed boner. That he's having a problem.

You're telling him to have more of a problem. How is that helpful?

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RE: Healthy Addiction? - 2/15/2014 5:57:51 AM   
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I'm going to disagree with LadyPact here since I personally have dealt with very similar things. One memory I recall now years ago is a friend of mine showing me his pictures from Puerto Rico. (Embarassing story to tell.) He leaned over me to click the mouse while I was sitting in his office chair and before I knew it, my eyes were closed, I was leaned into him, SNIFFING HIM!!!
I opened my eyes to realize what I was doing and was mortified. It happens, call it frenzy or whatever, having a HIGH sex drive and practicing restraint means finding a ROUTINE which diverts you from those thoughts and a way to channel that excessive energy.
Since channeling that energy in the gym and legpressing as much as 450 lbs, not only was it a POSITIVE CHANGE for my body, but for my mind as well and I didn't have to give up my self induced chastity or revert back to a porn addiction I also had for a few months preceeding.

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ORIGINAL: Nukldo
I would never in a million years act I out my thoughts with a stranger and I am not brand new to this lifestyle, and it is not effecting my lifestyle in any way. That is why I originally asked the question. I did did not have this "frenzy" as someone else put it when I was first introduced. This is something that has happened, only for a couple days, since I starting getting back into the lifestyle. Maybe I do just need to get laid, but that is not my style.

Sorry, but I'm going with the frenzy theory, too. Just because you didn't have it when you first started out doesn't mean a person can't have it when they are first coming back. You say you've 'been back' for just a few days, but what does being back mean to you, really? It would be tough for Me to imagine that you've 'been back' long enough to actually slate your sadistic thirst. Just because your desire to do so was on the back burner or even temporarily forgotten doesn't mean that's not going to come back with a vengeance when you rekindle it. I'll tell you what. If you've been "back" for three days, like your profile creation date shows, and you've actually engaged in some physical BDSM in that time, I'm going to give you props. You work faster than Me and that's saying something.

In My mind, frenzy (either D or s) is linked to obsession, compulsion, or both. It may not be happening during your work, but if your head is always drifting to it in your off time, at minimum, that is a form of obsession. That's why we get so many folks that come across this website who say it's all they think about, or how bad they neeeeeeeeeed some kink, or when in frenzy, some folks don't make particularly smart choices because they are more focused on the obsession than their own safety. (Since you're new here, you'll just have to take My word on how frequently it happens.)

I am going to suggest that you channel your energy. Maybe not so much by going to the gym or whatever, but direct it in a positive way that will also help the obsession. You say you're back. What does being back mean to you? Does it mean you have a goal of actually participating in some BDSM in a physical sense? Does it mean getting in touch with your local community to try to meet somebody? Does it mean trying to meet someone privately to actually engage in your desires? Does it mean learning more until the opportunity to DO (very important word there) some of the activities that seem to be crossing you mind so much? I'm not suggesting going overboard. I'm suggesting you do (there's that word again - verb, action word) something to help you adjust so that obsession/frenzy doesn't have a hold on you. It doesn't mean you have to beat the next person you see. It means you do whatever works for you to stop your mind from always going with the trend that you're doing now.

I can't say that what I see in this thread as a healthy addiction. It's not terrible but I don't see it as great, either.





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RE: Healthy Addiction? - 2/15/2014 10:49:32 AM   
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I'm going to disagree with LadyPact here since I personally have dealt with very similar things. One memory I recall now years ago is a friend of mine showing me his pictures from Puerto Rico. (Embarassing story to tell.) He leaned over me to click the mouse while I was sitting in his office chair and before I knew it, my eyes were closed, I was leaned into him, SNIFFING HIM!!!
I opened my eyes to realize what I was doing and was mortified. It happens, call it frenzy or whatever, having a HIGH sex drive and practicing restraint means finding a ROUTINE which diverts you from those thoughts and a way to channel that excessive energy.
Since channeling that energy in the gym and legpressing as much as 450 lbs, not only was it a POSITIVE CHANGE for my body, but for my mind as well and I didn't have to give up my self induced chastity or revert back to a porn addiction I also had for a few months preceeding.

No problem disagreeing. Different strokes for different folks, and all. I'm just saying that, if a person is having so many thoughts about BDSM, maybe he might want to actually pursue BDSM.

For Me, BDSM isn't necessarily sex. He didn't specifically mention sex in the original. I saw his original more linked to specific sadistic acts. (Clamps, how his aim would have to be for a women with a small behind, etc.) Personally, I like sadism and I enjoy engaging in it. If that's where My desire is, that's what I'm going to engage in to fulfill those desires.

I think it's a great thing that you found a diversionary tactic that helped you deal with both your high sex drive and your commitment to your self imposed chastity. I've done periods of celibacy too, and when I did, I had a commitment to them, so I completely understand why a diversionary routine would be your suggestion. I'm just not seeing anything from the OP that he wants to be chaste or wants to change his interest in BDSM.



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RE: Healthy Addiction? - 2/15/2014 7:18:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

If you'd bothered to do anything as radical as actually reading the links I posted, you'd already know the answer to this. Don't be lazy; go educate yourself.



If I thought there was any validity for you or anyone else to impose a rule on what someone else is allowed to think, I might have checked the links. However, the idea itself is repugnant to me.

Thought crimes are disgusting and those that promote them should take a good, honest look at their motivation.





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RE: Healthy Addiction? - 2/15/2014 9:12:55 PM   
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No addictions are healthy....period.


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RE: Healthy Addiction? - 2/16/2014 5:20:36 AM   
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I would like to clarify from the OP. When I stated that it was "like" an addiction I was not referring to the life style being an addiction because for me it is not, it is just who I am. I was using addiction as a reference. For an example, if an alcoholic is sober for years and goes back to drinking he/she will actually start drinking more than the day he/she quit. I was saying that the Dom in me was dorment since I was not in the lifestyle for many years and now that I have returned the feelings, emotions, and yernings have return stronger than they were before.

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RE: Healthy Addiction? - 2/17/2014 3:14:31 PM   
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Nukido, welcome to the forums. Not a place for the thin skinned for sure. Shrug off the wanton twisters of words and you can enjoy participating in the convos much more. They call that sort of thing... fun.

I didn't interpret anything you said as abnormal or an actual addiction. In fact, as someone else pointed out, everything you said is pretty normal for someone that is new or reacquainted. Also, as someone else said, it is a sort of frenzy and it does pass in time... in my personal experience.

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RE: Healthy Addiction? - 2/18/2014 4:20:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Oh holey moley, touching is way different. As is "following" someone around to get a better look.


Not for the purposes of your question, it isn't. You said:

quote:

Can you honestly say that you've never seen someone and wondered what it would feel like if he slipped his cock into you?


If I have such an extreme dislike of being touched by people I don't know, why would you think I would fantasize about about being touched by someone I don't know? Surely you're not that obtuse.


I'm sorry, it's clear that I failed to properly communicate the intent of my question. Either that or you're the one being obtuse. The essence of my question related to whether people fantasise about strangers. I would also point out that many many people don't actually like being touched by strangers, but will fantasize about strangers nonetheless.

I'm sorry that I didn't make my point more clearly.

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There's a world of difference between my private thoughts though, and imposing them on a non consenting other person.


Not as much as you might think. Staring, ogling, or leering at a woman isn't really different than catcalls and wolf-whistles - none involve touching, but all are invasive harassment. It is not a compliment; it is not consensual. It is also not okay.


Now, I'm tempted to accuse you of being obtuse. Look at what I wrote. I said there is a world of difference between my private thoughts, and imposing them on a non consenting other person.

Overt Staring, ogling, leering are all imposing them on a non consenting other person.

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If people can confine their thoughts to the "three second rule," in which they give themselves three seconds to acknowledge their sexual thoughts and then dismiss them and focus on something else, they're probably fine. If those thoughts last longer than three seconds, then it starts becoming an issue and they should probably address it.


And there I was, mocking DaddySatyr for his reference to the thought police...

Nope, you don't get to dictate what I think, thank-you very much.

You get to intervene in my thoughts the moment I impose them on another person, not a second sooner.

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The OP gave the impression he was unable or unwilling to uphold the three-second rule and that his intrusive thoughts have become a problem. This tells me he needs to recognize that what he is doing has crossed a boundary from the occasional and perfectly normal unbidden thought popping into his head, which is dismissed moments later, and into territory where he needs to train himself to be more mindful of how those thoughts dehumanize women and why that's wrong.




Shudder.

DaddySatyr, my apologies for dissing your "thought police" comment.



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RE: Healthy Addiction? - 2/18/2014 4:53:16 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Hey,

So this is a genuine question...

Can you honestly say that you've never seen someone and wondered what it would feel like if he slipped his cock into you?




Never. Not even once - have I wondered that about a stranger.
Is this why strange men on CM keep sending women cock pics? You guys honestly believe that we are thinking that?

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RE: Healthy Addiction? - 2/18/2014 5:46:38 AM   
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You have Dom frenzy. Turn off the computer, go out and see friends. It will pass.

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RE: Healthy Addiction? - 2/18/2014 5:49:41 AM   
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Uhm, self induced chastity can do that. I face similar problems. You best bet is to find some sort of healthy outlet like the gym. You need coping skills for an unusually high sex drive. Sorry bub! :)

Not sure if exercise helps to douse a sex drive. It does not for me, and believe me, I'm one of those that could spend my entire weekend on non stop work outs like 8 hour hikes in the morning and 5 hour skate on the same day at night, just to try to burn the sexual energy away. But I would have had 3 hours sexual fun in the evening, a 3 hour skate same fri night, then more sex till morning, didn't sleep, do the 8 hour hike and 5 hour skate later, go back, have more sex, and another hike next morning, and the sex drive does not go away! I never tire.

I got an oncoming weekend, it's gonna be like sex friday all niter, long hike morning, sex again, then evening skate, it's not killing the drive.

I guess women don't need energy to have sex at all.

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RE: Healthy Addiction? - 2/18/2014 5:54:19 AM   
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FYI OP,

I don't think what you have any different from what goes on, in most men head. It's gotta be quite normal to look at good looking women and fantasize about stuffs. It's only a problem if you acted on it non-consensually. Otherwise, we all have dirty thoughts.

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RE: Healthy Addiction? - 2/18/2014 5:56:22 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsMJAY


quote:

ORIGINAL: SylvereApLeanan

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ORIGINAL: crazyml

Hey,

So this is a genuine question...

Can you honestly say that you've never seen someone and wondered what it would feel like if he slipped his cock into you?




Never. Not even once - have I wondered that about a stranger.
Is this why strange men on CM keep sending women cock pics? You guys honestly believe that we are thinking that?



It explains a lot, doesn't it?

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RE: Healthy Addiction? - 2/18/2014 5:59:11 AM   
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Can you honestly say that you've never seen someone and wondered what it would feel like if he slipped his cock into you?

Never. Not even once - have I wondered that about a stranger.



I gotta agree with MsMJAY. In my entire life, there is only one male I have ever seen that, I was so sexually attracted to him physically that I wanted him to fuck me so bad. But anyway, he doesn't believe me that his my one and only that I ever felt that way with. Cuz of my high sex drive.
Generally, I need to connect mentally with the male first, regardless how handsome, before I would consider having sex with him. It's never happen through physical appearance.

The stud I was talking about, we did connect mentally through online first though, so it may not be counted, as I already connected with him mentally, then his so hot physically that, everything was a dream.

So yea, never saw a man I haven't connected with mentally and felt like fucking him or touching him.

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RE: Healthy Addiction? - 2/18/2014 6:21:43 AM   
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Hey,

So this is a genuine question...

Can you honestly say that you've never seen someone and wondered what it would feel like if he slipped his cock into you?


I could say it, but I would be a liar.

I think about that all the time. Not at work, because my mind is on other things, but out and about, if I see a guy who interests me, sure I'll think about sex.

I don't really believe that women don't do this, because I remember growing up and fantasising over posters of Christian Slater and Cory Haim and Chesney Hawkes (I don't claim to have good taste) and the things I thought about were completely sexual.

Likewise, you have women fawning over George Clooney, Matt Damon, etc etc.

I remember a few years ago I was working in a bureau in a big department store. We had a cleaning rota and it was my colleague's turn to clean. He was a young, handsome, polite, well educated Nigerian boy with a fantastic figure. As he got down on his hands and knees to clean the floor of the bureau with a wet cloth, a semi-circle of middle aged women literally gathered around the bureau, alternatively sighing and staring in absolute pleasure at the boy on his knees, cleaning. Luckily he had a sense of humour and laughed it off, but they absolutely were objectifying him in a very predatory, sexual way.

To say that women don't objectify men is just incorrect, imo. But obviously, when you can't switch it off, as the OP seems to be struggling with, then it becomes a problem.

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RE: Healthy Addiction? - 2/18/2014 6:51:05 AM   
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I think women fantasize about men, but it's more a situation fantasy and in that situation they have an emotional connect with the guy.

Yes, I had posters too, but I was actually fantasizing about stuff we would do together, pretty mundane gf/bf stuff, holding hands, talking and then working up to kissing, petting and maybe sex. I can look at a guy with a great face and a perfect figure and admire the physical perfection (I can do so with a woman as well, it's simply aesthetics, like watching a horse, a cat, a dog with perfect muscles and movement), I honestly don't think about how it would feel if the guy would slide his cock into me. Even as a randy teenage wench, when I had fantasies, they always involved getting to know the guy, how we would start talking to me. Actually the way their cock looks was always the least interesting aspect of it.

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RE: Healthy Addiction? - 2/18/2014 6:58:06 AM   
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FR

ARGH.

I'm not blaming anyone except myself - we're all getting too hung up on the very specific "slide his cock inside you" line, I am very sorry I used such a narrowly defined thing. I should have used a much less specific term.

Notwithstanding that, it does rather seem that there are some perfectly normal, kinky, wimmins out there who have had thoughts of a sexual nature when seeing a dude. So it's not exclusively about the patriarchy oppressing the laydees.

I am pretty sure that physical attraction affects both sexes -although I am happy to assume that the ladies tend to be more cerebral. But, I can only do that with conviction if I forget the drooling that took place over that buff bastard Peon's awesome six pack.



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RE: Healthy Addiction? - 2/18/2014 7:02:54 AM   
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The essence of my question related to whether people fantasise about strangers. I would also point out that many many people don't actually like being touched by strangers, but will fantasize about strangers nonetheless.


Yes, I can see how, if some people might fantasize about strangers even though they don't really want to be touched by one, you might think I was one of them. Perhaps I failed to convey how intensely I despise being touched by anyone I don't know. I'm not sure I can adequately convey that in text.

It's not an "eeew" reaction or even a "get the fuck away from me, asshole" reaction. It is a "KILL THE THING, KILL IT WITH FIRE, RIP OUT ITS HEART, BATHE IN ITS BLOOD, MAKE IT DIE NOWNOWNOW!!!" reaction. It's similar to a panic attack as far as what my body is doing - my heart is racing, pumping adrenaline is making me shake, I'm close to hyperventilating, and feel like I might pass out because I'm working hard not to rip someone to shreds. It's not particularly comfortable, and I avoid putting myself in situations where I might be touched by random people, so no...no fantasizing about strangers for me.


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Now, I'm tempted to accuse you of being obtuse. Look at what I wrote. I said there is a world of difference between my private thoughts, and imposing them on a non consenting other person.

Overt Staring, ogling, leering are all imposing them on a non consenting other person.



This is where you're assuming too much. You may think you're being discreet, but that isn't necessarily the case. Unless you've trained yourself always to have a blank expression until you consciously decide to do otherwise or you have something like "bitchy resting face", that makes you look like you're in a different state of mind than you really are, chances are good you'll have an expression that conveys the general gist of what's going on in your head. That private thought, isn't nearly as private as you thought.

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And there I was, mocking DaddySatyr for his reference to the thought police...

Nope, you don't get to dictate what I think, thank-you very much.

You get to intervene in my thoughts the moment I impose them on another person, not a second sooner.



How sad that you couldn't be bothered to read any of the links. I didn't think you were so lazy. I stand corrected. If you had read them, you would have learned that the three-second rule is a tool used by Sexual Addicts Anonymous to train themselves to be more self-aware and more in control of their behavior. One of the article authors used it to train himself to be more mindful of the random objectification of women he engages in every day.

At this point, the conversation is over because you've demonstrated you are unwilling to engage in constructive discourse, including educating yourself. I have neither the time nor inclination to argue with someone who chooses to remain willfully ignorant. Have a nice day.



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RE: Healthy Addiction? - 2/18/2014 7:16:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: crazyml


I am pretty sure that physical attraction affects both sexes -although I am happy to assume that the ladies tend to be more cerebral. But, I can only do that with conviction if I forget the drooling that took place over that buff bastard Peon's awesome six pack.




It's completely different, it's admiring a physical feature, yeah, but I can tell you that this buff bastard spent a few days here and he wasn't raped (at least not by me and I don't think OH slipped into the guest room to do unspeakable things to poor Peon) the male dog did try to hump his leg though and the female dog gave him a pretty good bang in the goolies with her nose (he stopped fussing her, the inconsiderate bugger).

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