freedomdwarf1
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
It's a complete sentence ending in a Period, so it stands as a statement on it's own.
It is further qualified by the immediately following example: "Just because John Q homophobe doesn't go to church, claims not to be religious and so forth doesn't mean that Christianity is not at the root of his homophobia." which is empgasising the underlined bit.
That makes it pretty clear to me (and Kirata) that is precisely what they meant.
So, even in context, nj is actually saying exactly that and backing up the assertion by example.
By denying it in the respose to my post makes them look foolish.
No, because you and Kirata are making the foolish assumption that if someone claims they are atheist that ipso facto their homophobia has nothing to do with Christianity or Christian belief..what you are leaving out is that the homophobia common in western society was created by the Christian churches. ...<snip>
Sorry nj, my original comment stands.
And my premise at what you originally said was accurate and you have just clarified that even further [underlined].
So no, I didn't quote your post out of context at all - it is exactly what you said and meant.
Homophobia was evident many centuries, possibly even millenia, before any form of christianity.
And yes, it has nothing whatsoever to do with christianity.
I don't deny that the christian churches exascerbated and embraced homophobia and use passages from the bible to illustrate why they consider it should be cherished and adhered to.
But.... homophobia was not created by the churches or the faiths - it existed long before the christian religions were invented and became even more popular amongst the followers.
The term "homophobia" is very new (The word homophobia first appeared in print in an article written for the May 23, 1969, edition of the American pornographic magazine Screw, in which the word was used to refer to heterosexual men's fear that others might think they are gay) but the practice of it is quite old and pre-dates the christain faith.
References
"Although sexual attitudes tracing back to Ancient Greece (8th to 6th centuries BC to the end of antiquity (ca. 600 AD)) have been termed homophobia by scholars..."
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia
"It is commonplace to say that anti-gay prejudice is "a medieval Christian attitude." Although it is true that such prejudice was certainly expanded and cruelly enforced during the medieval Christian ethos, homophobia nevertheless began long before Christ or the Church Fathers, and is quite specifically Jewish or Hebrew."
Source: http://rictornorton.co.uk/homopho1.htm
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