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ORIGINAL: ARIES83
Actual modern slavery as in the types of people that are smuggled/trafficked as a commodity is of course defined by the fact those people are kidnapped or otherwise forced into it. their rights to pursue their own interests are taken from them and they are often kept against their will.

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ORIGINAL: ARIES83
If you desire to be kept without rights, is it really slavery in the common sense... you after all aren't being kept against your will, rather your will is that you be kept and to be used etc... you in a sense are pursuing your interests.

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ORIGINAL: ARIES83
Is it really just Consensual Non-consent. and what is that in your view??

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ORIGINAL: ARIES83
Do you identify as a Slave?
Why do you see yourself as a slave?
How do you define slavery?

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ORIGINAL: pg4g

But the above situation seems completely possible to me, and that being the case, how is consensual nonconsent really nonsense?

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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

Mostly because it doesn't exist because what you describe carries very real ramifications.

You may want to leave the law out of it but, until you can get the cops, lawyers, judges, and law-makers to agree, reality tells us that if we "over-step", we're in deep shit.

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ORIGINAL: orgasmdenial12
In my old-fashioned description, I see a submissive as someone who chooses each time whether to submit or not. A slave decides once to submit always, and that's where I am at the moment.

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ORIGINAL: orgasmdenial12

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ORIGINAL: ARIES83
Actual modern slavery as in the types of people that are smuggled/trafficked as a commodity is of course defined by the fact those people are kidnapped or otherwise forced into it. their rights to pursue their own interests are taken from them and they are often kept against their will.

This is not really true across the board. There are lots of different types of slavery, and some are consensual. If you look at the young boys who are sold to fishermen in Ghana, they are often very willing to be sold and excited about the prospect as they see it as a step into adulthood, learning a trade, leaving the parental home, etc. Likewise, the young children who are used as shepherds in many parts of the world see it as a part of their life, a sign of increasing maturity and a step towards adulthood.

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ORIGINAL: orgasmdenial12
In my old-fashioned description, I see a submissive as someone who chooses each time whether to submit or not. A slave decides once to submit always, and that's where I am at the moment.

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ORIGINAL: FieryOpal

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ORIGINAL: smileforme50

Honestly....even though my profile says I am a "slave"....I'm still not 100% sure where I sit on the spectrum of all of this.

My profile says that I am a "slave"....
... they think I have the mind, mentality, heart, soul, spirit....whatever....of a slave.....But I've also had a few friends tell me that I would probably be a good Domme too. I just laugh at that one. Go figure.

Have you found, though, that since you changed your designation, you get contacted by more "Kneel bitch"-attitude Doms than before?

Actually.....not really. Maybe I just don't pay much attention to those guys....and never have.

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Perhaps you should reserve this to mark a special occasion with your next Dom, not something to be taken lightly. Also, depending on who you get with, you might find you have more of a switch's temperament. It would be misleading to pre-label yourself

Nah.....in spite of what those friends have said, there is no way in hell I would or could be a switch or Domme. I do know that much. My profile also says that I'm still not sure if I really have it in me to be a slave. I don't think that's misleading at all..... People just need to read.


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“Give it to me!” she yelled
“I’m so fucking wet! Give it to me now!”

She could scream all she wanted…..I was keeping the umbrella.

(in reply to FieryOpal)

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ORIGINAL: smileforme50
Nah.....in spite of what those friends have said, there is no way in hell I would or could be a switch or Domme. I do know that much. My profile also says that I'm still not sure if I really have it in me to be a slave. I don't think that's misleading at all..... People just need to read.

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On the one hand...there is the school of thought that someone in D/s and BDSM can call themselves what they wish. Whether or not someone (even the majority of someones) agrees with them, they can do so. I don't go along with this school...words mean what they mean, even when they are defined to fit D/s and BDSM. If you are not a slave in the dictionary sense, then you MIGHT be one in the D/s and BDSM sense...IF you go along with the constructed (granted that the construct is loose in some instances) definition. But if you choose to make up your own definition of what "slavery" is so that you can fit yourself into the word most appealing to you and your definition contains very few elements that others would see as defining of slavery, don't be surprised when someone calls you on it.

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ORIGINAL: pg4g
So what should they call an agreement to make consent irrevocable <snip>

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

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ORIGINAL: pg4g
So what should they call an agreement to make consent irrevocable <snip>

Quite simply, you can't - not legally.

You are just playing on words to twist things around into something that just isn't.

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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

FR:

I've been back and forth over this particular issue at least a dozen times in the past 30 years.

Naturally since it's me I say in order to have a meaningful discussion, you have to define terms. What definition of the term slave are you using?

Here is a standard definition:

a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them.

Since this type of slavery is illegal, we have to define our term. I completely disagree with this statement (though it's very nice to see you posting again, CreativeDominant):

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On the one hand...there is the school of thought that someone in D/s and BDSM can call themselves what they wish. Whether or not someone (even the majority of someones) agrees with them, they can do so. I don't go along with this school...words mean what they mean, even when they are defined to fit D/s and BDSM. If you are not a slave in the dictionary sense, then you MIGHT be one in the D/s and BDSM sense...IF you go along with the constructed (granted that the construct is loose in some instances) definition. But if you choose to make up your own definition of what "slavery" is so that you can fit yourself into the word most appealing to you and your definition contains very few elements that others would see as defining of slavery, don't be surprised when someone calls you on it.

The beauty of the English language is it's ability to change over time; this flexibility allows for many definitions of the same term. (For example, we commonly use the term 'cell' here in the US to indicate a mobile phone, this is a new use of that term.)

It allows any given group of people to adapt words for specific usage. For instance, CBT is defined as cognitive behavior therapy if you're a psychologist, computer based training if you're a geek, and cock and ball torture if you're like me!

I've never heard of anyone arguing with these definitions. And I have no problem with those who wish to have their own personal definition of slave. Does it make things confusing at times? Sure, but we're all adults, we can ask for clarification.

I think we argue over the term slavery b/c first it *is* a word with some negative connotations, and there is the inevitable human tendency to need to elevate personal status, making a slave 'better' than a sub.