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RE: Are you a Slave? - 2/17/2014 6:01:31 PM

LeatherBentOne51

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As a black man, I am really offended by all this talk of slavery

Darkfeather;

I get the feeling that this post was a knee jerk response based on race. Please correct me if this is incorrect. However, in your later posts, I see that you may have come around to realize that the context was rather under the realm of M/s, as I did see many references to "slave" in your profile.

I understand that you identify as a "black" man and a Dominant. For me, your color doesn't matter; rather what is in your heart and your mind. I think most, if not all people here, probably feel the same and did not mean to offend in any way.

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RE: Are you a Slave? - 2/17/2014 6:56:43 PM

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Ok Kana, I have four questions:

1. Do you consider this for real, or ultra-intense role play?
2. Would you consider your relationship exploitation and use of a person, and why do you hold this view?
3. I have a very hard time reconciling what you describe as love. I view love as caring, and all I see is selfishness without care. How does that work?
4. Aren't you blackmailing your partner to do whatever you want with your "my way or the highway" thing, and using their devotion to you against them? I've seen women, my mother included, forced psychologically like that to stay with an abusive husband, and to accept a lot of abuse as they are devoted to that person. That... scares me.

I'm not judging but I have no way I can understand this...

1-It's for real. I abhor role play. It feels so, well, false, to me. Everything I/we do is emotion based.

2-Sure it's exploitative, but in a mutually symbiotic way. She fills needs in my life. Cum dump. Scream machine. Laundress. Personal Assistant. Chef. IT Guru.
I fill them in hers. Mentor. Guide. Spiritual balance. Emotional Rock.
Most of all is that I thrive on control and she needs to be taken. (None of this in hand shit either, more like by the throat)
Fuck, all relationships are exploitative. All interactions are. People do shit because they get something out of it. Economic, emotive, security, personal satisfaction, the joy that comes with giving, whatever. They don't do shit for free though. There's always a payoff.
Always.
The only thing different about us is that our terms of agreement are blatantly above board and etched in plain sight
(Which frankly I see as a whole lot healthier, secure and grounded than a relationship based on passive aggressiveness, nagging, distrust, insecurity, jealousy or henpecking, to use a few examples we've all seen a 100 million times before)

3-Of course it's love. There's lots of people out there who can do things to her. Very few of them can do so in a way that's not only emotionally, mentally and spiritually safe but satisfying.
I give her what she needs in an atmosphere of trust and compassion.
Course I also have whack-job ideas about some things, one of which is the idea that hopefully everyone I really interact with in life will be better for knowing me. I encourage her. I push her. I set goals, sometimes higher than what she thinks she's capable of (Falsely too-She a whole lot better/smarter/well equipped than she sees herself).
She's changed jobs from a dead end place she hated to a job that she finds challenging and adores. She's moved from a dying town to the heart of a vibrant city. She's gone back to college and is a year away from completing her degree.
I think it's safe to say she's better for having me in her life.
And of course I am a significantly altered and better person for having been blessed to have her in my life.
So call it what you want, but I don't do that shit for peeps I don't care about.

4-Nope. No blackmail at all. Think of it contractually. These are my terms for entering into an agreement with me. Should the other party not want to fulfill the contract that's all cool with me. We'll consider the contract null and void and both parties are free to go their own way.
I won't judge.I won't get angry. I'll genuinely wish her the best in what she does and hope that her life thereafter is utterly fantastic.
I don't coerce.
Uggh.
That's no fun.
1/2 the thrill of the deal for me is that the slut is willing to crawl, to beg, to have me do the things I like to do to her.
Even if, especially if, she hates it.
It's the surrender of control, the ceding of self, the willingness to give over and go places where she wouldn't ever ordinarily go, that's where the fire burns brightest and hottest for me
That now, that's a heady elixir, one well worth imbibing.

Reach right down in the nuclear rods at the heart of her slave self and start tinkering.
Own that cunt.
All the fucking way. Treat it like the property/object/meat it is/needs to be/craves.

But you gotta realize one thing. Mouse ain't dumb. She's not naive. She grew up in the school of hard hard knocks. As in a trailer on the side of a mountain in fucking western PA. No running water. No heat.
She grew up fighting health issues, bad ones
She's had a husband die on her, leaving her with an infant to raise.
She's served in some fashion or another for twenty years. She's owned and run dungeons, played with cats like Carter Stevens and the Insex/Kink peeps.
She's done online BDSM since Gore invented the net. Seriously, she was doing the deal in the alt.com days.What I'm saying is that when it comes to TTTWD, she's been around the block. Not once. Not twice. But oodles of times. She's had good masters and she's had awful ones.
And she spent six years on CM single. It ain't like she had a scorching case o sub frenzy kicking.
She didn't randomly pick me.
She didn't jump right in blindly. She chose me because she trusts me, trusts the man I am, trusts my intent and intentions for her.
This wasn't an irrational, knee jerk, ill considered act on her behalf.
She thought it through. Examined the ramifications, asked herself where she would be happiest.
And willingly made the decision that was best for her.
But she ain't a victim....well, at least an unwilling one
Never ever mistake that.*

Like any good slave, the chains that gird her body are naught save mere physical manifestations of the emotional and spiritual irons encasing her heart and mind.

*If it sounds as if I admire her, well, that's because I do. Tough as nails my mouse is

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RE: Are you a Slave? - 2/17/2014 9:44:07 PM

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Hey, as I stated at the end of my post, I wasn't judging. And the things you said were one side of the story. You've shown the other side of the story. Something I can identify with.

I certainly didn't mean to offend, but it just seemed your previous post lacked a certain care about her. In reality you just weren't focusing on that element. I'm sorry if I offended you.

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RE: Are you a Slave? - 2/17/2014 11:12:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: LeatherBentOne51

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ORIGINAL: Darkfeather

As a black man, I am really offended by all this talk of slavery

Darkfeather;

I get the feeling that this post was a knee jerk response based on race. Please correct me if this is incorrect. However, in your later posts, I see that you may have come around to realize that the context was rather under the realm of M/s, as I did see many references to "slave" in your profile.

I understand that you identify as a "black" man and a Dominant. For me, your color doesn't matter; rather what is in your heart and your mind. I think most, if not all people here, probably feel the same and did not mean to offend in any way.

Yeah, I post here a lot, and I have a "particular" sense of humor. The

should have keyed ya in to the fact that the above was not to be taken seriously, but hey, this is a written medium and you couldn't see the googly eyes on my head and the balloon animals in my hands

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RE: Are you a Slave? - 2/17/2014 11:30:16 PM

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ORIGINAL: Darkfeather

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ORIGINAL: LeatherBentOne51

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ORIGINAL: Darkfeather

As a black man, I am really offended by all this talk of slavery

Darkfeather;

I get the feeling that this post was a knee jerk response based on race. Please correct me if this is incorrect. However, in your later posts, I see that you may have come around to realize that the context was rather under the realm of M/s, as I did see many references to "slave" in your profile.

I understand that you identify as a "black" man and a Dominant. For me, your color doesn't matter; rather what is in your heart and your mind. I think most, if not all people here, probably feel the same and did not mean to offend in any way.

Yeah, I post here a lot, and I have a "particular" sense of humor. The should have keyed ya in to the fact that the above was not to be taken seriously, but hey, this is a written medium and you couldn't see the googly eyes on my head and the balloon animals in my hands

I have long enjoyed Dark's posts and sense of humor and I believe that he and I have "chewed the same dirt" as I'm no stranger to his listed hometown.

But, this does bring up something that I've long been curious about ...

I don't think there's a race/nationality that hasn't been a slave, at one time or another. If you count my family as having four "sides" (four sets of grandparents as a result of being a child of divorce and re-marriage), three sides of my family have been out-and-out slaves at one time or another.

Now, I'm talking hundreds of years in the past and semi-recently.

While I am not personally offended by people (in my view) mis-using and therefore minimizing the word "slave", I know people that are. I often wonder if their "hurt" is genuine or what I say as peoples' desire to label themselves as "victim".

Okay. Enough pre-amble. Here's the meat of it:

If there are people who are genuinely offended by (mis-)use of this word, should that factor into our decision to use it? I guess I'm thinking more in terms of the "PR" sense? Does it make sense for us to alienate people when it would take little effort not to?

I don't know. This is just something that has always rattled around my head, whenever this topic comes up.

Peace,

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RE: Are you a Slave? - 2/17/2014 11:37:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: Darkfeather
As a black man, I am really offended by all this talk of slavery

Darkfeather;

I get the feeling that this post was a knee jerk response based on race. Please correct me if this is incorrect. However, in your later posts, I see that you may have come around to realize that the context was rather under the realm of M/s, as I did see many references to "slave" in your profile.

I understand that you identify as a "black" man and a Dominant. For me, your color doesn't matter; rather what is in your heart and your mind. I think most, if not all people here, probably feel the same and did not mean to offend in any way.

You mean that wasn't sarcasm . . . the dude was serious? I thought it was comedy gold inspired by the other thread about some zealot being offended by the "no colors allowed" sign on the bar.

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RE: Are you a Slave? - 2/18/2014 12:03:09 AM

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I have long enjoyed Dark's posts and sense of humor and I believe that he and I have "chewed the same dirt" as I'm no stranger to his listed hometown.

But, this does bring up something that I've long been curious about ...

I don't think there's a race/nationality that hasn't been a slave, at one time or another. If you count my family as having four "sides" (four sets of grandparents as a result of being a child of divorce and re-marriage), three sides of my family have been out-and-out slaves at one time or another.

Now, I'm talking hundreds of years in the past and semi-recently.

While I am not personally offended by people (in my view) mis-using and therefore minimizing the word "slave", I know people that are. I often wonder if their "hurt" is genuine or what I say as peoples' desire to label themselves as "victim".

Okay. Enough pre-amble. Here's the meat of it:

If there are people who are genuinely offended by (mis-)use of this word, should that factor into our decision to use it? I guess I'm thinking more in terms of the "PR" sense? Does it make sense for us to alienate people when it would take little effort not to?

I don't know. This is just something that has always rattled around my head, whenever this topic comes up.

Peace,

Michael

I think there was once a very profound comedian who mused a top ten list of words that offended, in the human language

. His point, there are always going to be something that will offend someone, no matter how careful you are

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RE: Are you a Slave? - 2/18/2014 2:48:14 AM

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There is a little story I once read or heard some time ago, it pops up here and there on the internet as a motivational parable, however I know little more about its origin than that.

As my friend was passing the elephants, he suddenly stopped, confused by the fact that these huge creatures were being held by only a small rope tied to their front leg. No chains, no cages. It was obvious that the elephants could, at any time, break away from the ropes they were tied to but for some reason, they did not. My friend saw a trainer nearby and asked why these beautiful, magnificent animals just stood there and made no attempt to get away.
"Well," he said, "when they are very young and much smaller we use the same size rope to tie them and, at that age, it's enough to hold them. As they grow up, they are conditioned to believe they cannot break away. They believe the rope can still hold them, so they never try to break free." My friend was amazed. These animals could at any time break free from their bonds but because they believed they couldn't, they were stuck right where they were.

I’m no elephant training expert, but it does offer some interesting things in regards to “Internal Enslavement”.

The idea that not all bonds are physical, is one such thing.
The Elephant in the story would of course have been trained to believe it can’t get away, and that belief holds it in place more than the rope. It would have become accustomed to the idea that it is put somewhere and must wait for its trainers return before it is able to leave. It would have learned patience during long nights of frustration pulling against its rope, eventually turning to sadness, until finally its accustom to its new reality. The whims and will that urge a wild animal to go where its freedom will take it, having long since died down to dim memories.

I think the above would be the “Bad” type of slavery, If you replace that elephant with a person then the trainer may be staring down the barrel of a face full of human rights violations.

Though there are other intangible bonds that may be just as binding.
Love? Loyalty? Fear? (I add fear here, not as in fear of punishment etc, but fear of the unknown. Fear of being alone.) Ones nature? Could we say that’s an invisible chain as well? Temperament….
There are any number of intangible bonds that could entangle a person to another, and any number of life experiences…

I can quite easily bring myself to call a person bound so, a Slave, and the one holding the other end of those chains, their Owner.

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RE: Are you a Slave? - 2/18/2014 3:22:13 AM

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Hey, as I stated at the end of my post, I wasn't judging. And the things you said were one side of the story. You've shown the other side of the story. Something I can identify with.

I certainly didn't mean to offend, but it just seemed your previous post lacked a certain care about her. In reality you just weren't focusing on that element. I'm sorry if I offended you.

Huh?
I wasn't remotely offended in any way shape or form.
Don't know where ya got that but it's mistaken.
I considered you genuinely curious, that's all.

If it came off as me being pissed, I don't know who or how or why, but I wasn't/ain't/won't be.
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RE: Are you a Slave? - 2/18/2014 3:28:15 AM

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If I want to nail her tongue to a cutting board and feed the slut her own urine I can.
Now she won't be necessarily be thrilled about it (Not many people would...but hey, if you're out there and are, drop me a line )but she will do it.
The alternative is sayanora.

It's clear in this forum that you and Little Wonder have a very loving relationship. But has there been any challenge there is too much for her? Do you as a dom understand her and her limits and although you are acting all tough right now, do you think you manage the whole situation by understanding her real limits and making things happen that isn't "setting her up to fail" because you know where she is, and where she's willing to be?

Or do you think you're all about, let's just throw out whatever the hell I want, and so far, she's been saying yes to everything.

Also, My gut is, you know her very well, you know her limits, and little wonder obviously can take ALOT, but you love her too much to ever push her beyond where it might create a situation where, you might have to let her walk instead of compromise and drop that expectation, because she means alot to you.

If she chooses to walk one day, you think it would be so easy to just let her walk and let her go? If it is, then..., it's even more confusing exactly what it is that you feel for her? It's really just bdsm based?

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RE: Are you a Slave? - 2/18/2014 3:32:38 AM

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Kana tends to be a bit blunt, you know? Like a sledge hammer.

Just wanted to add an addendum about the shoes. Although I am allowed to spend up to $50 w/o his permission, this doesn't apply to shoes, boots or (big whine here) purses. He learned rather quickly I can find a *lot* of shoes I like under $50.

So his original directive had to be modified. That's *real* control, when you give up the ability to buy shoes and purses unless you have permission. (I tried making it a hard limit, but he didn't buy that one.)

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RE: Are you a Slave? - 2/18/2014 3:55:31 AM

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ORIGINAL: pg4g

Hey, as I stated at the end of my post, I wasn't judging. And the things you said were one side of the story. You've shown the other side of the story. Something I can identify with.

I certainly didn't mean to offend, but it just seemed your previous post lacked a certain care about her. In reality you just weren't focusing on that element. I'm sorry if I offended you.

Huh?
I wasn't remotely offended in any way shape or form.
Don't know where ya got that but it's mistaken.
I considered you genuinely curious, that's all.

If it came off as me being pissed, I don't know who or how or why, but I wasn't/ain't/won't be.
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Yeah, no problems. Thanks

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RE: Are you a Slave? - 2/18/2014 5:00:21 AM

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No, it's just consensual. It can't be withdrawal of consent because it is impossible to withdraw consent after the deal has been made, just as it is impossible for me to rescind the credit agreement once I have borrowed the money.

I can see how this is the case for you, you're someone who believes in keeping her word, and in taking responsibility for her choices.

But it is absolutely not generally true. The difference between consent to be enslaved and a credit agreement is that one isn't enforceable, while the other is.

*Nothing* we do is enforceable. It's not like my definition of slavery is wishy-washy but calling it CNC makes it airtight - it doesn't.

Slavery, along with CNC or consensual force or whatever you want to call it all boils down to a promise and whether or not you honour your promises.

My understanding of it is that I make that promise, once, and stick to it, regardless. Yes, I might fight back if I physically can't help myself but I am still aware that it all falls under the promise I made. CNC, to me, is like promising one thing, then changing your mind and taking it back, then changing it again afterwards. It doesn't personally make any sense to me, it doesn't seem honourable and it also falls under the category of bad faith, for me. If it was *truly* non-consensual in the heat of the moment - as non-consensual as if a total stranger walked in and tried to fuck or spank you or take your money - you would see Doms getting beat up, kicked out, police called, etc. You don't see any of that because, no matter how bad it is in the heat of the moment, it's still consensual, and both parties recognise that. To suggest otherwise is incorrect, imo.

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RE: Are you a Slave? - 2/18/2014 5:07:56 AM

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Yes to me it would be. If you consent to working for an organization, then you just consented to do what your boss says. Reasons why you should meet the boss before you make that sort of decision.

I prefer bosses who ask for my input, and many have. But what I really prefer is to work for myself, then I can say I have a major bitch for a boss !!

But yes, I see the two dynamics as being quite similar in terms of consensually giving over power.

If you consented to working for them, and if you are free to leave at any point, then I simply don't understand where the non-consensual element comes in. How can it be non-consensual for another person to decide what they do with their own resources?

It seems to me that you are defining anything you dislike as being non-consensual. I have heard this before in a woman who said that if she was ordered to wash her Dom's car when she didn't want to, it would be CNC.

Perhaps I simply have a higher bar for what is non-consensual. Non-consensual, for me, is when I do not agree to it. If I have agreed to it, no matter how much I may dislike it, then it is not non-consensual. For example, I hate having blood taken by a doctor but I absolutely agree that they have my informed consent to do so.

Perhaps what we are talking about here is not consensual non-consent, but consensual non-desire. That is - we do not *want* to do it, yet we do so anyway. Unfortunately the initials would spell CND, but that is also something I agree with ;-)

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RE: Are you a Slave? - 2/18/2014 5:14:52 AM

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Sorry that you don't understand the underlying power dynamics involved, I can't make you and have no desire to try. Based on past posts you want to always be right, and that's just not possible (even for me.)

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RE: Are you a Slave? - 2/18/2014 5:33:13 AM

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*Nothing* we do is enforceable. It's not like my definition of slavery is wishy-washy but calling it CNC makes it airtight - it doesn't.

Slavery, along with CNC or consensual force or whatever you want to call it all boils down to a promise and whether or not you honour your promises.

My understanding of it is that I make that promise, once, and stick to it, regardless. Yes, I might fight back if I physically can't help myself but I am still aware that it all falls under the promise I made. CNC, to me, is like promising one thing, then changing your mind and taking it back, then changing it again afterwards. It doesn't personally make any sense to me, it doesn't seem honourable and it also falls under the category of bad faith, for me. If it was *truly* non-consensual in the heat of the moment - as non-consensual as if a total stranger walked in and tried to fuck or spank you or take your money - you would see Doms getting beat up, kicked out, police called, etc. You don't see any of that because, no matter how bad it is in the heat of the moment, it's still consensual, and both parties recognise that. To suggest otherwise is incorrect, imo.

You view consent as something "not honourable" to revoke in those times. Good for you.

Some people do change their views in the heat of the moment, due to the flight or fight instinct, and they become certain they want this to stop. And then the adrenaline drops, their mind recomposes, and their worldview returns back to normal.

In fact, I target mine. I want to get pushed to the point where I will say "fuck you, I revoke my consent, and the consent to ignore me, I never want to see your face again." I want my mind so scrambled that I will do that. He knows that I want to get that pushed, that mixed up in adrenaline I lose all perspective.

You view this as it either exists for you, and is honourable for you, or it doesn't exist. That isn't the case. Some people want to get pushed to the point of complete psychological muddle, and they will pull that "I want this to end" card, and they pre-warn their dom/master/other. And I think that's fair enough.

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RE: Are you a Slave? - 2/18/2014 5:45:15 AM

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I want to get pushed to the point where I will say "fuck you, I revoke my consent, and the consent to ignore me, I never want to see your face again."

My argument is not whether you get to that point, my argument is that you call it non-consensual.

We all accept that something like rape is, truly, non-consensual.

So if we then we call sex when you are in this 'fighting' mode non-consensual then we are saying they are the same thing - that they are *equally* non-consensual (an argument I have heard from CNCers).

My point is that they are *not* equally non-consensual. That if you absolutely were being raped and a police officer walked in and tried to arrest the perpetrator, you would allow it and you would feel relieved. Whereas, in the middle of your play, no matter how angry, confused, or fighting back you were, if a police officer walked in and asked what was going on, you would tell him it was consensual. If they tried to arrest your partner, you would argue with them and try to stop them.

With all this in mind, I simply cannot accept the use of the term 'non-consensual' as semantically accurate. It's definitely consensual, even if it's the last thing on your mind.

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RE: Are you a Slave? - 2/18/2014 5:54:55 AM

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With all this in mind, I simply cannot accept the use of the term 'non-consensual' as semantically accurate. It's definitely consensual, even if it's the last thing on your mind.

I get that the term is not semantically acceptable to you, just as others have an issue with using the term slave within the context of a consensual relationship. For many the term consensual slave is just as much an oxymoron.

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RE: Are you a Slave? - 2/18/2014 6:00:42 AM

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With all this in mind, I simply cannot accept the use of the term 'non-consensual' as semantically accurate. It's definitely consensual, even if it's the last thing on your mind.

I get that the term is not semantically acceptable to you, just as others have an issue with using the term slave within the context of a consensual relationship. For many the term consensual slave is just as much an oxymoron.

Agreed. We all have different views on the terms we use and what terms we find acceptable, which was why I wanted to counter the OP's reductionism of slavery to CNC - as though slavery was simply CNC and as though CNC was an acknowledged part of all TPE relationships. Not all of us accept the term CNC and I most definitely do not agree that it forms any part of my relationship, regardless of any debate over the use of the slave label. Once again - ymmv.

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RE: Are you a Slave? - 2/18/2014 6:00:43 AM

pg4g

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Oh yeah, I completely agree on that point. But that's just a naming issue.

It has appeared to me, up until now, that you were just in denial about the fact I actually do get to that point at all.

It's seemed like you're saying the sun doesn't exist. I argue it does, and you say "that thing out there shining down shouldn't be called the sun, so no, it doesn't exist." Whether you the name 'sun' is accurate or not, the big hot round ball in the sky still exists, whatever it's name is.

And in the same way, "consensual nonconsent" is just a term someone made up to try and describe this. Maybe we should just call it "temporary insanity" and get it over with...

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