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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/16/2014 3:40:21 PM   
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One of my takeaways is that paranoia and gun ownership are a poor combination --- as is packing a firearm during a person to person dispute.

We just saw the Oscar Short Films last night, and one of them was about the use of child soldiers in Africa. Everyone was armed and dangerous -- and it was hell on Earth.

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/16/2014 4:08:48 PM   
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One of my takeaways is that paranoia and gun ownership are a poor combination --- as is packing a firearm during a person to person dispute.

This incident is the very epitome of why sane people think the concealed carry movement and stand your ground laws are bad ideas.

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/16/2014 4:18:56 PM   
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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/16/2014 4:22:41 PM   
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This incident is the very epitome of why sane people think the concealed carry movement and stand your ground laws are bad ideas.



And you are qualified to speak for sane people, because...? I think you would do better to restate that, Ken, so as to not to be throwing out an insult to anyone who doesn't happen to agree with you.

There is also another position which holds that the presence of unknown, armed, law-abiding citizens is a deterrent to criminal activity. From that position, concealed carry is an excellent idea.







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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/16/2014 4:39:25 PM   
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I just read where the jury had the option for 2nd degree or manslaughter. The DA stated they were going to retry again on 1st.



This is something that bothers me in our legal system. It's almost as if the government is saying: "Well, the government brought 1st degree and we couldn't prove it so, go ahead and convict him of something else".

Just try the fucking the case that the evidence supports.




Ok....I'm not a lawyer, or even a law student, but if you fire a gun NINE times at a vehicle....how can your "intent" NOT be to kill someone? Firing the gun NINE times goes way beyond just scaring anyone.


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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/16/2014 4:51:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I may be wrong but I think it was the three shots that he fired as they were driving away to get the hell out of there that they convicted him on, as they were driving away, they were no longer a "threat" so he didn't need to continue firing.

To me the guy should rot. He left the scene, didn't call the police, ordered pizza and left the area the following morning, not the actions of a man who was so afraid of his life that he shot into a vehicle that many times.

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/16/2014 4:54:59 PM   
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Ok....I'm not a lawyer, or even a law student, but if you fire a gun NINE times at a vehicle....how can your "intent" NOT be to kill someone? Firing the gun NINE times goes way beyond just scaring anyone.



He didn't wake up that morning and say: "I'm going to kill someone, today" (or, more accurately, the prosecution couldn't prove that he did).

He probably didn't see the car full of kids and say: "I'm going to kill someone".

However, the point that I was making is that there was intent in as much as when one fires a weapon at people ... well, a gun is a tool to do one job: KILL.





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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/16/2014 4:55:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DominantWoman65

I have a concealed permit to include the mace that I carry, however I am not a supporter of the SYG law. I live by the policy that my weapon doesn't give me "bullet" balls and I don't allow my mouth to write a check that my ass can't cash without the end result being that of drawing my weapon.




I'm not a huge fan of SYG laws, but I like a well administered concealed carry law. CA, as I mentioned on the court ruling thread, does not have a good system for it. Done right, I do think it can be an excellent deterrent to crime.

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/16/2014 4:56:33 PM   
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I may be wrong but I think it was the three shots that he fired as they were driving away to get the hell out of there that they convicted him on, as they were driving away, they were no longer a "threat" so he didn't need to continue firing.

To me the guy should rot. He left the scene, didn't call the police, ordered pizza and left the area the following morning, not the actions of a man who was so afraid of his life that he shot into a vehicle that many times.

Yep I agree. however, I have to admit, I have only read two or three articles about it.
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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/16/2014 5:04:24 PM   
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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/16/2014 5:18:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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This incident is the very epitome of why sane people think the concealed carry movement and stand your ground laws are bad ideas.



And you are qualified to speak for sane people, because...? I think you would do better to restate that, Ken, so as to not to be throwing out an insult to anyone who doesn't happen to agree with you.

There is also another position which holds that the presence of unknown, armed, law-abiding citizens is a deterrent to criminal activity. From that position, concealed carry is an excellent idea.

Sane people know when society starts encouraging people to go about armed these incidents will happen and that even one innocent life is too high a price to pay for the false sense of security of cowards who need a gun to not get weak in the knees around brown people.

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/16/2014 5:26:48 PM   
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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/16/2014 5:28:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


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This incident is the very epitome of why sane people think the concealed carry movement and stand your ground laws are bad ideas.



And you are qualified to speak for sane people, because...? I think you would do better to restate that, Ken, so as to not to be throwing out an insult to anyone who doesn't happen to agree with you.

There is also another position which holds that the presence of unknown, armed, law-abiding citizens is a deterrent to criminal activity. From that position, concealed carry is an excellent idea.









That would be a yes....because she is one.....


More than 3000 kids shot to death every year makes the gun-nutter`s arguments worse than insane......


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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/16/2014 5:30:34 PM   
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Please tell me that you're not implying that all gun carriers are not sane and closet bigots.

I'm saying the driving force behind the concealed carry movement are nutty bigots.

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/16/2014 5:37:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you for clarifying before my panties got all bunched up. When I post, I only write in regards to my opinion or personal beliefs, so I don't speak for all gun owners and I'm sure there are quite a few who probably don't like my viewpoints. With that said, I would have to agree with you to a certain extent. I know that anyone I associate with who also carry do not succumb to the majority.

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/16/2014 7:38:31 PM   
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I know that anyone I associate with who also carry do not succumb to the majority.



Majority? I think the majority of gun owners are people such as you describe yourself as being, or as I am. What we have in this instance is a sensationalized minority, given a megaphone, and then held up by posters such as Ken over there, claiming that whatever pops out of his mouth is the only "sane" position.



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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/16/2014 7:55:01 PM   
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I know that anyone I associate with who also carry do not succumb to the majority.



Majority? I think the majority of gun owners are people such as you describe yourself as being, or as I am. What we have in this instance is a sensationalized minority, given a megaphone, and then held up by posters such as Ken over there, claiming that whatever pops out of his mouth is the only "sane" position.



I am and know a number of people who carry, not one of us would do anything like this.

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/16/2014 7:55:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would really like to believe that and I still would like to but after visiting some websites I was appalled by what I read. Now either these people are members of all the same organizations or there is more hatred out there than I thought.

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/16/2014 7:57:45 PM   
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I would really like to believe that and I still would like to but after visiting some websites I was appalled by what I read. Now either these people are members of all the same organizations or there is more hatred out there than I thought.

The most hateful make the most posts. Most reasonable people don't even go to those sites.
Some try to instill reason but you are likely to get shouted down.

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/16/2014 8:02:45 PM   
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