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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/16/2014 11:18:26 PM   
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Dunn is facing 60 years
And there will be a retrial for the primary charge

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/17/2014 2:51:34 PM   
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The killing this thread is about.


Oh that one

Yet I still ask, what part of my post were addressing ?

I don't see where this guy got away with much if anything yet. I don't see how you get first degree murder out of it though I definitely see second. I'm not sure where SYG came into it and can't they retry that part of the case ?

I don't think his feeble excuse for self defense got by the jury entirely.





SYG was not accepted, if it had been he would have walked.
He was convicted of 3 felonies, hardly "getting off".
And they have said they will retry.

At least 1 juror did accept it. He was convicted on no charge related to his attack on the person he claimed was attacking him.

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/17/2014 3:36:53 PM   
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At least 1 juror did accept it. He was convicted on no charge related to his attack on the person he claimed was attacking him.


I'm not disputing this but how do you know ? Has this juror been interviewed ? Based on the information I have there is no way I would have accepted SYG on this. I would have voted second degree.

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/17/2014 3:41:00 PM   
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At least 1 juror did accept it. He was convicted on no charge related to his attack on the person he claimed was attacking him.


I'm not disputing this but how do you know ? Has this juror been interviewed ? Based on the information I have there is no way I would have accepted SYG on this. I would have voted second degree.

The jury hung on the murder charge which included all lesser offences. So some juror thought he wasn't guilty. Since he admitted to shooting and killing Davis that means at least one juror believed his SYG claim.

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/17/2014 3:55:52 PM   
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At least 1 juror did accept it. He was convicted on no charge related to his attack on the person he claimed was attacking him.


I'm not disputing this but how do you know ? Has this juror been interviewed ? Based on the information I have there is no way I would have accepted SYG on this. I would have voted second degree.

The jury hung on the murder charge which included all lesser offences. So some juror thought he wasn't guilty. Since he admitted to shooting and killing Davis that means at least one juror believed his SYG claim.


Or a juror or jurors wouldn't budge on 1st degree instead of second and / or vice versa. So you do t know exactly for sure.


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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/17/2014 4:40:52 PM   
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The jury hung on the murder charge which included all lesser offences. So some juror thought he wasn't guilty. Since he admitted to shooting and killing Davis that means at least one juror believed his SYG claim.


It is pretty insane isn't it! -- Especially when it looks like the shooter deliberately lied about the victim having a shotgun. White people being so irrationally fearful of black men will always want to assert reasonable fear claims and self defense. And, there will always be a white person to believe it.

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/17/2014 4:49:09 PM   
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At least 1 juror did accept it. He was convicted on no charge related to his attack on the person he claimed was attacking him.



Debunked already, but I'm not surprised to see it being repeated anyway.

The three convictions on attempted murder do not support that assertion. A holdout on the jury insisting that it had to be 1st degree murder does.



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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/17/2014 4:51:14 PM   
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And, there will always be a white person to believe it.



I regret seeing this post. I keep trying to hope you are at least a little better than that, Cloudboy, and this race-baiting shit just makes that harder.

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/17/2014 5:00:46 PM   
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Pointing out racial injustice isn`t race-baiting......


Willful ignorance of it is bigotry.

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/17/2014 5:03:05 PM   
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At least 1 juror did accept it. He was convicted on no charge related to his attack on the person he claimed was attacking him.



Debunked already, but I'm not surprised to see it being repeated anyway.

The three convictions on attempted murder do not support that assertion. A holdout on the jury insisting that it had to be 1st degree murder does.



No. it was not.
It was entirely consistent with SYG to convict him of attempted murder against the 3 men who he admitted posed no threat to him and who he admitted fled when he started shooting, note the other charge he was convicted of was firing into an occupied vehicle.

And the notion that the jury would deadlock over one juror holding out for 1st degree after convicting this guy of 3 counts of 2nd degree attempted is more than a tad ridiculous.

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/17/2014 5:11:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm sure the shooter would have been just as incensed / fearful of a group of white teenagers blasting the Beach Boys. Maybe the Heretic is right.

Before the shooting, the black boys in this shooting were at the mall, probably drinking sodas. I don't think any of them had skittles in their pocket.

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Dom Ken: why not post your source (or repost) it for why the one juror refused to convict.


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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/17/2014 5:15:29 PM   
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Dom Ken: why not post your source (or repost) it for why the one juror refused to convict.


It isn't public yet. Just the fact that the jury had the option of convicting of anything from manslaughter to 1st degree and came back hung which in the minds of most people not intent on defending crazy murdering bigot enabling laws means one of the jurors actually believed Dunn's BS SYG story.

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/17/2014 5:18:52 PM   
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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/17/2014 5:20:48 PM   
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It isn't public yet.



Clear enough for you, Cloudboy? No link, because he's pulling the assumption out of his ass.

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/17/2014 6:27:35 PM   
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Dom Ken: why not post your source (or repost) it for why the one juror refused to convict.


It isn't public yet. Just the fact that the jury had the option of convicting of anything from manslaughter to 1st degree and came back hung which in the minds of most people not intent on defending crazy murdering bigot enabling laws means one of the jurors actually believed Dunn's BS SYG story.

Were that true why would said juror would have voted guilty on the 3 counts of attempted 2nd degree.
More likely one held out for first degree.

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/17/2014 6:43:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		First, exactly where do you get that one juror was holding out for 1st degree murder?

According to a CNN report filed today the following is true:

There has been no statement from any of the jurors according to the Washington Times


However, there are a few questions I have concerning:

quote:

But prosecutors said Dunn lost control, firing three volleys of shots -- 10 bullets total -- at the SUV over music he didn't like.

The prosecution also challenged what Dunn did next: He left the gas station and drove 40 miles to a bed and breakfast in St. Augustine. There, he walked his dog, ordered a pizza, then drank rum and cola.

After learning almost six hours later that he had killed Davis, Dunn testified that he became "crazy with grief," experiencing stomach problems for about four hours before taking a nap.

"My intent was to stop the attack, not necessarily end a life," he testified. "It just worked out that way."

Yet his fiancee, Rhonda Rouer, testified that Dunn had never mentioned any weapon to her -- be it a shotgun, a stick, a barrel or a lead pipe.

Police found a basketball, basketball shoes, clothing, a camera tripod and cups inside the teenagers' Durango, but no gun.

And Dunn never called police. The first contact he had with them was at his home in Satellite Beach -- 130 miles south of St. Augustine -- as he was being apprehended.


Seriously, stomach discomfort and then did not contact police?

Just what was the jury members smoking or popping?

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/17/2014 7:01:21 PM   
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First, exactly where do you get that one juror was holding out for 1st degree murder?

According to a CNN report filed today the following is true:

There has been no statement from any of the jurors according to the Washington Times


However, there are a few questions I have concerning:

quote:

But prosecutors said Dunn lost control, firing three volleys of shots -- 10 bullets total -- at the SUV over music he didn't like.

The prosecution also challenged what Dunn did next: He left the gas station and drove 40 miles to a bed and breakfast in St. Augustine. There, he walked his dog, ordered a pizza, then drank rum and cola.

After learning almost six hours later that he had killed Davis, Dunn testified that he became "crazy with grief," experiencing stomach problems for about four hours before taking a nap.

"My intent was to stop the attack, not necessarily end a life," he testified. "It just worked out that way."

Yet his fiancee, Rhonda Rouer, testified that Dunn had never mentioned any weapon to her -- be it a shotgun, a stick, a barrel or a lead pipe.

Police found a basketball, basketball shoes, clothing, a camera tripod and cups inside the teenagers' Durango, but no gun.

And Dunn never called police. The first contact he had with them was at his home in Satellite Beach -- 130 miles south of St. Augustine -- as he was being apprehended.


Seriously, stomach discomfort and then did not contact police?

Just what was the jury members smoking or popping?

Note I said it was more likely that someone held out for 1st than for acquittal in light of the fact that they all voted
for 2nd degree attempted. If you voted that he attempted to murder the others in the car there
is no rational way to say he didn't murder the one who died. I never stated that this happened as a fact
just a matter of logic. I do not claim to know where between 11-1 and 1-11 the split came and claim no inside sources.

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/17/2014 7:09:37 PM   
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Dom Ken: why not post your source (or repost) it for why the one juror refused to convict.


It isn't public yet. Just the fact that the jury had the option of convicting of anything from manslaughter to 1st degree and came back hung which in the minds of most people not intent on defending crazy murdering bigot enabling laws means one of the jurors actually believed Dunn's BS SYG story.


So ya don't really know. I'm sure the reasons they deadlocked will come out soon enough and prove you right or wrong. I said before, its more likely one or more jurors felt nothing less than 1st degree was acceptable or the other way around. They convicted on 3 counts of 2nd degree attempted. How does every single juror not find him guilty of murder ? Also his lawyers are appealing the verdict based on that so the way I'm reading it, the prosecution has to retry the murder count.

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/17/2014 7:21:27 PM   
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First, exactly where do you get that one juror was holding out for 1st degree murder?



It's my interpretation of the facts we have, Jlf. I've never claimed I have super-secret inside facts (it's not public knowlege??? WTF!), and have said from go that it makes more sense to me than a juror holding out for a complete acquittal. Think about it. No issue at all with the attempted murder counts, and a hung jury, after they were told the defendant could be tried again on the single most serious count

Granted, if I was right all the time, you fuckers would have to pay to read my shit, but I'm much smarter than Ken.

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RE: Jury couldn't agree on 1st-degree - 2/17/2014 7:46:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

First, exactly where do you get that one juror was holding out for 1st degree murder?

According to a CNN report filed today the following is true:

There has been no statement from any of the jurors according to the Washington Times


However, there are a few questions I have concerning:

quote:

But prosecutors said Dunn lost control, firing three volleys of shots -- 10 bullets total -- at the SUV over music he didn't like.

The prosecution also challenged what Dunn did next: He left the gas station and drove 40 miles to a bed and breakfast in St. Augustine. There, he walked his dog, ordered a pizza, then drank rum and cola.

After learning almost six hours later that he had killed Davis, Dunn testified that he became "crazy with grief," experiencing stomach problems for about four hours before taking a nap.

"My intent was to stop the attack, not necessarily end a life," he testified. "It just worked out that way."

Yet his fiancee, Rhonda Rouer, testified that Dunn had never mentioned any weapon to her -- be it a shotgun, a stick, a barrel or a lead pipe.

Police found a basketball, basketball shoes, clothing, a camera tripod and cups inside the teenagers' Durango, but no gun.

And Dunn never called police. The first contact he had with them was at his home in Satellite Beach -- 130 miles south of St. Augustine -- as he was being apprehended.


Seriously, stomach discomfort and then did not contact police?

Just what was the jury members smoking or popping?

Yes I have mentioned those things before.

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