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RE: Republican Position on the Ukraine - 2/28/2014 3:55:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		He is not back in public office. He is an unpaid adviser to the EU Commission on the promotion of internet freedom regarding questions of foreign affairs. And a controversial one at that.

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RE: Republican Position on the Ukraine - 2/28/2014 6:09:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		The way papassion thinks and sees things says it all. The Republicans are poised to gain seats in the mid term elections, and it is because of this kind of thinking and analysis (chicanery) they win votes.

Obama is being brought down. In contrast Clinton was also attacked non-stop by the noise machine, but his rating improved, but still, the Dems lost seats in Congress.

What's been happening in AZ is pretty much a postage stamp of the Republican base: crazed, motivated, and ignorant.

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RE: Republican Position on the Ukraine - 2/28/2014 6:47:40 PM   
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What do you think it will be?







I think it'll be fucked up.

With our noses in to other people's shit.

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RE: Republican Position on the Ukraine - 3/1/2014 6:03:03 AM   
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RE: Republican Position on the Ukraine - 3/1/2014 4:53:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Republicans can grandstand about Obama's choices on this, but the bottom line is that the US and the UK have a nuclear disarmament treaty with Ukraine. In exchange for protecting it's borders against incursion, Ukraine surrendered its nuclear arsenal. If Ukraine makes a formal appeal to the US and UK for protection, we would be faced the choice between dishonoring a treaty or declaring war on Russia. This is, by the way, how the last two World Wars started... webs of treaties and alliances coming into play after an international incident.

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RE: Republican Position on the Ukraine - 3/1/2014 5:10:07 PM   
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He is not back in public office. He is an unpaid adviser to the EU Commission on the promotion of internet freedom regarding questions of foreign affairs. And a controversial one at that.


My bad...... I meant the EU and thought he had a paid job there. Whatever else he is at least back in the public eye. I cant see the German electorate being silly enough to trust him again.

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RE: Republican Position on the Ukraine - 3/1/2014 5:50:48 PM   
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Republicans can grandstand about Obama's choices on this, but the bottom line is that the US and the UK have a nuclear disarmament treaty with Ukraine. In exchange for protecting it's borders against incursion, Ukraine surrendered its nuclear arsenal. If Ukraine makes a formal appeal to the US and UK for protection, we would be faced the choice between dishonoring a treaty or declaring war on Russia. This is, by the way, how the last two World Wars started... webs of treaties and alliances coming into play after an international incident.

UK Telegraph



Yeah, I have been kind of wondering about that treaty as well.

Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances is an international treaty signed on February, 5, 1994, in Budapest between Ukraine, USA, Russia, and the United Kingdom concerning nuclear disarmament of Ukraine and security assurances of her independence. According to the treaty Ukraine has abandoned her nuclear arsenal to Russia, while Russia, USA, and the UK have promised (1) to respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty within her borders; (2) to protect Ukraine from outer aggression and not to conduct aggression toward Ukraine; (3) not to put economic pressure on Ukraine in order to influence her politics; (4) not to use nuclear arms against Ukraine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances&redirect=no

Yeah, yeah, it is wiki, but here ya go:

https://www.msz.gov.pl/en/p/wiedenobwe_at_s_en/news/memorandum_on_security_assurances_in_connection_with_ukraine_s_accession_to_the_treaty_on_the_npt?printMode=true

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RE: Republican Position on the Ukraine - 3/1/2014 5:57:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Canada is recalling its ambassador from Moscow in order to protest Russia's military intervention in Ukraine, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said in a statement Saturday evening. Canada is also suspending its involvement in a G-8 summit planned to take place in Sochi, the statement says. The announcement follows an emergency cabinet meeting convened by Harper to discuss the situation in Ukraine.


that will show em!

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RE: Republican Position on the Ukraine - 3/1/2014 5:58:54 PM   
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RE: Republican Position on the Ukraine - 3/1/2014 6:10:32 PM   
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RE: Republican Position on the Ukraine - 3/1/2014 6:26:36 PM   
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RE: Republican Position on the Ukraine - 3/1/2014 6:36:11 PM   
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Republican Position on the Ukraine

Ukraine doesn't have a "The" before it. It's like saying "The Canada" or "The Australia" or "The The United States". You're adding a word where there isn't one.
The thread went downhill from there.

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RE: Republican Position on the Ukraine - 3/1/2014 7:20:24 PM   
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There are similar conservative groups trying to exercise influence throughout Europe as well. One common trait among the various groups is how they feel under siege by the changes taking place around them: emancipation of women, religious and ethnic diversity, gay rights, international cooperation and law v. nationalism, et. al.

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RE: Republican Position on the Ukraine - 3/1/2014 7:22:06 PM   
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The USA is not a very effective meddler and has feet of clay on the moral front.

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RE: Republican Position on the Ukraine - 3/1/2014 7:46:57 PM   
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Republican Position on the Ukraine

Ukraine doesn't have a "The" before it. It's like saying "The Canada" or "The Australia" or "The The United States". You're adding a word where there isn't one.
The thread went downhill from there.


Either is ok.


"
(The) Ukraine
A handful of countries take definite articles, and there are two main patterns.
Consider (the) Ukraine. Both “the Ukraine” and “Ukraine” are used in English.
It’s common to hear that the name comes from the word Ukrayina,  which means “borderland.” Based on this etymology, the “geographical feature” rule we talked about could explain the presence of the definite article in “the Ukraine.” But there’s still some level of uncertainty about Ukraine’s etymology—some people believe it to be just an ancient name for  the Ukrainian people, and some people have other ideas—so that rule doesn’t seem very persuasive here.
The geographic rule for definite articles only seems to be useful when the country’s name is obviously referring to a geographical feature. We don’t use definite articles with countries whose names now have tenuous connections to geographical features—like India (whose name originally came from the Indus River) or Indonesia (which derives from the Greek words for “Indian islands”).
- See more at: http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/country-names-and-%E2%80%9Cthe%E2%80%9D-the-ukraine-or-ukraine#sthash.8NAg56jI.dpuf

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RE: Republican Position on the Ukraine - 3/1/2014 9:58:51 PM   
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What do you think it will be?







I think it'll be fucked up.

With our noses in to other people's shit.



I think you are correct.

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RE: Republican Position on the Ukraine - 3/2/2014 5:42:13 AM   
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What do you think it will be?

I think it will be the exact same kind of response a Republican president would get from the Democrats.

Yea, it's a shame. We coulda had Mitt and yet another long and very profitable war funded with an even bigger off-books deficit. For the dems to raise hell, well they'd be called traitors just as was done for W's wars for profit and hegemony.

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RE: Republican Position on the Ukraine - 3/2/2014 5:54:08 AM   
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It is wrong to see foreign policy as Democrat or Republican. Also, Obama is not the main figure shaping the policies. Forces above Obama, the puppeteers call the shots. Key Republican and Democrat leaders always vote the same when a major foreign policy action is taken. Some insignificant members of the Congress may whine, and stupid mainstream presstitute talking heads amplify it.
Ukraine is an interesting test because what happens there it is not an American problem, it is in most part globalist-corporate concern. It may show the true colors of the Obama regime.

I would agree except that Ukraine has no oil. (even the globalists need oil) Now if it was agric. (prior to the 1917 rev. Ukraine was the world's largest agric. exporter) maybe and that's is only a maybe because agric. enjoys world wide production now and Ukraine in any case, won't have the 'proper' impact on the dollar or profits.

If anything rely upon the bankers to finance both sides as they have done throughout history and could put Putin out of business anytime they choose. Someday when it suits there interest...they will.

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RE: Republican Position on the Ukraine - 3/2/2014 5:56:07 AM   
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Sandra beat me to it. Guttenberg had to resign and quit politics, he has only recently come back into public office. Would the public vote for a known cheat ?

Ironic to see a Republican bigging up Germanic royalty though.....

This one actually made me laugh. Good one.

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RE: Republican Position on the Ukraine - 3/2/2014 7:18:51 AM   
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Sandra beat me to it. Guttenberg had to resign and quit politics, he has only recently come back into public office. Would the public vote for a known cheat ?

Ironic to see a Republican bigging up Germanic royalty though.....

This one actually made me laugh. Good one.


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