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RE: Submissives & Bondage - 2/27/2014 5:22:48 PM

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I didn't tell you what I get out of it. I like the control.

(If I'm lucky) I could easily have a sub who is 4-10" taller than I am, who weighs 50% more than I do, who is muscular *swoon* and could easily overpower me if he wanted to. It's been a really long time since I took taek won do, and that's intended for self-defense.

Definitely, the heightened sense of control. That, and strategically aimed and timed swats of my riding crop.

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RE: Submissives & Bondage - 2/27/2014 5:53:48 PM

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In case you didn't realise, I'm fascinated by the human mind.

Be that as it may, not everything in BDSM can be intellectualized and reduced to articulable facts. You would probably need to delve into subconscious and other layers of the mind to fully understand why bondage is not simply about submission. They seem to me to be extremely distinct things. I certainly don't experience them as the same thing at all. But as to why, I couldn't begin to tell you.

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RE: Submissives & Bondage - 2/27/2014 7:58:38 PM

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Because it's fun.

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RE: Submissives & Bondage - 2/27/2014 8:42:57 PM

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Because it's fun.

Oh, now that's deep!

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RE: Submissives & Bondage - 2/27/2014 8:52:14 PM

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Why is it that many submissives/slaves and dominants like bondage?

After all, if the submissive likes submitting to the Dominant anyway, doesn't that make the restraints redundant?

Well, you'd think so, wouldn't you. But, when I was submissive and now that I'm a Domme, I loved and still love rope. I love the feel of it, the smell of it, the vibes I get from it(I swear it holds vibes in it from everything I've done w/ it before, lol) and I love the artistry of it when I do sweet-looking ties with it on my sub. I love how he looks in it. Just like I loved how I felt in it when I was a sub or, even now, when I bottom for rope because I still love it so much I will both tie and be tied. I don't know why, I just do. Rope makes my panties wet. lol

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RE: Submissives & Bondage - 2/28/2014 2:49:50 AM

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I love rope,, it is such a versatile tool. Anyone can use rope to a degree, you do not need to be a master or have practiced it for weeks ( although it takes great skill when you try the more intricate stuff) . It is silent and easy to use, you can use it to cloth a person with, you can use to tie a person with, you can use it as a whip and you can use it to heighten or dull senses. If you want to get to know every niche, every curve and every detail of your partners body, there is nothing as taking the time to put her in a rope harness, and the more time you take in making the harness the more time you hands will be touching her, caressing her body, massaging her. At the same time you learn about her more sensitive spots and the spots she reacts wildly to.

There is an act of surrender and obedience to stand still in compliance when you are being put in an harness. The creation of the harness is an erotic process in itself, is an unique creation every time you do it, there are no two harnesses alike, it is not instant like shackles or cuffs, it is a slow surrender and once the harness is done, she can wear it under your clothes. Wearing your creation,a piece of you always with her, a constant reminder of her surrender to you. Almost completely invisible but with every movement the body makes, the ropes caress the body creating a whole new set of emotion and sensations. And the effects can be so different depending of the types of rope you use. Silk can feel cool and soft on the skin but on the other hand if you use manila the rope feels itchy and biting. And some ropes (manila for example) should not be washed and are intended for individual personal use, which means it takes on the aroma, the sense of your partner making it intense experience on a complete new level..

Or you can just ravish your sub while she is wearing your creation, which makes her naked and accessible and at the same time completely dressed. Every movement you make will be intensified by the harness which is looped around her body, caressing, pulling, tightening, heightening and dulling senses all at the same time. The harness completely objectifies her body.
And then there are knots not only because the look good but also because they supply so many feelings and sensations. Knots can be used to push up body parts, to highlight the curves or to restrict the freedom and movement. A knot may be located between her legs, touching, caressing her pleasure centre increasing pleasure or discomfort depending on the desired result.

Rope is such a fantastic tool, I better stop though , I only wanted to say i like rope and I got carried away a bit.

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RE: Submissives & Bondage - 2/28/2014 2:58:29 PM

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Because it's fun.

Oh, now that's deep!

But this is the most honest answer. People enjoy it because they enjoy it…..

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RE: Submissives & Bondage - 2/28/2014 3:10:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: pg4g

Oh, now that's deep!

But this is the most honest answer. People enjoy it because they enjoy it…..

And yet we have a lot of other wonderful discussion about this topic.

If you prefer to not think about it, that's great. But I just asked an open question to anyone wishing to answer, and I joked with MalcolmNathaniel. Get off my back would you?

< Message edited by pg4g -- 2/28/2014 3:11:02 PM >

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RE: Submissives & Bondage - 2/28/2014 3:44:13 PM

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Similarly to Fiery Opal: to have a tall, strong man, schooled in self-defense, willingly naked and bound strategically yet held immobile by a few straps weighing a few dozen grams...
and in just a few minutes to see him writhe against them, out of his own control and into mine, and knowing how many different ways things could go with a touch HERE, an impact THERE, a lick, a suck, a nip, a bite, a whisper, a moan, a scratch, a grasp, a caress, a thrust ...
Six feet of intelligent playground, and all *mine*.

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RE: Submissives & Bondage - 2/28/2014 4:02:12 PM

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One thing I didn't see mentioned here (although "helplessness" might touch on it) is when a submissive has difficulty following through in reality with what they want in their head. The loss of control of the body assists in the surrender of the mind, the acceptance and with it, the key to ability to indulge in those thoughts that cannot be carried out from mental to physical due to common blocks such as guilt.

Submission doesn't always come as natural in action as it does in thought. Sometimes forced surrender unlocks knots in your head. It requires a little more focus and attention from the dominant, but really, aren't we supposed to be paying attention in the first place??

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RE: Submissives & Bondage - 2/28/2014 4:41:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

Similarly to Fiery Opal: to have a tall, strong man, schooled in self-defense, willingly naked and bound strategically yet held immobile by a few straps weighing a few dozen grams...
and in just a few minutes to see him writhe against them, out of his own control and into mine, and knowing how many different ways things could go with a touch HERE, an impact THERE, a lick, a suck, a nip, a bite, a whisper, a moan, a scratch, a grasp, a caress, a thrust ...
Six feet of intelligent playground, and all *mine*.

You do know you're describing my life, right? That's my guy!

And yeah, hot image haha

< Message edited by pg4g -- 2/28/2014 4:52:31 PM >

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RE: Submissives & Bondage - 2/28/2014 5:19:02 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

Similarly to Fiery Opal: to have a tall, strong man, schooled in self-defense, willingly naked and bound strategically yet held immobile by a few straps weighing a few dozen grams...
and in just a few minutes to see him writhe against them, out of his own control and into mine, and knowing how many different ways things could go with a touch HERE, an impact THERE, a lick, a suck, a nip, a bite, a whisper, a moan, a scratch, a grasp, a caress, a thrust ...
Six feet of intelligent playground, and all *mine*.

You do know you're describing my life, right? That's my guy!

And yeah, hot image haha

That's right, rub it in why don't you....

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RE: Submissives & Bondage - 2/28/2014 5:41:03 PM

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Well I'm also they guy angry in chains on his knees. Apparently he likes me in my camouflage pants and shirtless once I get home from a deployment. Not all fun and games for me.

Ok well I guess it is.

So sue me hehe

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RE: Submissives & Bondage - 2/28/2014 6:12:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: pg4g

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Oh, now that's deep!

But this is the most honest answer. People enjoy it because they enjoy it…..

And yet we have a lot of other wonderful discussion about this topic.

If you prefer to not think about it, that's great. But I just asked an open question to anyone wishing to answer, and I joked with MalcolmNathaniel. Get off my back would you?

For someone seeking answers you seem unwilling to engage in the possibility that there are layers of experience of which we cannot possibly be conscious. Everyone can discuss what they are aware of, but do you possibly think this encompasses the totality of the experience? Not to mention that you started this thread with trying to equate submission to bondage when the two have nothing to do with each other. Masochists/bottoms can enjoy bondage without being submissive and submissives can enjoy bondage as an entirely separate and distinct experience. Have whatever discussion you want, but it is rather clear to me that you don't understand….at all. Others have provided interesting answers, but I still don't think you get it…...

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RE: Submissives & Bondage - 2/28/2014 6:43:57 PM

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For someone seeking answers you seem unwilling to engage in the possibility that there are layers of experience of which we cannot possibly be conscious. Everyone can discuss what they are aware of, but do you possibly think this encompasses the totality of the experience? Not to mention that you started this thread with trying to equate submission to bondage when the two have nothing to do with each other. Masochists/bottoms can enjoy bondage without being submissive and submissives can enjoy bondage as an entirely separate and distinct experience. Have whatever discussion you want, but it is rather clear to me that you don't understand….at all. Others have provided interesting answers, but I still don't think you get it…...

Hey, that's a little unfair. I was exploring the question what do people like about it. It was somewhat philosophical, somewhat psychological. It was exploring the question, not demanding answers. If you don't know, I am a switch, I tend slightly towards bottoming, with heavy bondage, and I'm highly masochistic. I'm not a sadistic dom just asking for a straight answer. I have quite a bit of experience, and asked the question as an exploration.

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RE: Submissives & Bondage - 2/28/2014 6:57:48 PM

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For someone seeking answers you seem unwilling to engage in the possibility that there are layers of experience of which we cannot possibly be conscious. Everyone can discuss what they are aware of, but do you possibly think this encompasses the totality of the experience? Not to mention that you started this thread with trying to equate submission to bondage when the two have nothing to do with each other. Masochists/bottoms can enjoy bondage without being submissive and submissives can enjoy bondage as an entirely separate and distinct experience. Have whatever discussion you want, but it is rather clear to me that you don't understand….at all. Others have provided interesting answers, but I still don't think you get it…...

Hey, that's a little unfair. I was exploring the question what do people like about it. It was somewhat philosophical, somewhat psychological. It was exploring the question, not demanding answers. If you don't know, I am a switch, I tend towards bottoming with heavy bondage, and I'm highly masochistic and have strong submissive desires. I'm not a sadistic dom just asking for a straight answer. I have quite a bit of experience, and asked the question as an exploration.

Sorry not trying to be difficult - it's just I thought you had said that submission was somewhat of a mystery to you. So it seemed a reasonable conclusion to draw that you really could not "get" the mindset of treating bondage and submission as two separate things given that your approach equates the two. I am also just trying to point out that some of why something is exciting cannot always be articulated. I personally feel that people who enjoy bondage are partly responding to much deeper things in their psyche - and they wouldn't possibly be able to explain all of why they enjoy what they enjoy. It's like asking someone why they like the color blue. There is what they can explain to you, but then there is going to be something much deeper that they likely are not aware of and therefore cannot articulate. When I say people like what they like, I'm not trying to trivialize preferences or suggest preferences don't matter. I'm only trying to suggest that preferences are extremely personal and relate to layers of both cognition and psyche. And this is why sometimes it is difficult to understand/appreciate someone else's preferences. There is lots in the BDSM world that I have no interest in - for example, needle play. But I know many people who enjoy that type of play very passionately. I don't question their enjoyment of the activity, but by virtue of the fact that I have zero interest in it, I'm not sure my friends could ever explain what it is exactly that they enjoy about it that would make complete sense to me because I have no interest in it to begin with. I know, I know….this is much more philosophical than you were intending the question. I just raise it because I find it inherently fascinating that some are naturally drawn to certain things while others simply are not. And how can we ever truly explain why in a way that both sides would understand?

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RE: Submissives & Bondage - 2/28/2014 8:02:51 PM

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Personally my... bottoming/subbing side is complex. I endure submission, obey and enjoy obeying as the man earned it by overpowering and leveraging/forcing me to obey. I'm not a normal sub on that side. I'm... different.

So I asked the question of those who like to serve 'normally' what the interest was. Mine is in it's means to the end of seeing the guy in power and control, feeling helpless and useless in my honest-to-god fight against him.

I'm certain there are a hundred reasons, but 'standard' subs/slaves are a bit of a mystery to me. This was a question out of curiosity and exploration.

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RE: Submissives & Bondage - 2/28/2014 8:12:52 PM

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Why is it that many submissives/slaves and dominants like bondage?

After all, if the submissive likes submitting to the Dominant anyway, doesn't that make the restraints redundant?

It's comfortable. Then again, I like small and tight spaces. It relaxes me and helps me to de-stress from the world.

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RE: Submissives & Bondage - 2/28/2014 8:32:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: pg4g

Why is it that many submissives/slaves and dominants like bondage?

After all, if the submissive likes submitting to the Dominant anyway, doesn't that make the restraints redundant?

It's comfortable. Then again, I like small and tight spaces. It relaxes me and helps me to de-stress from the world.

Is that like the opposite of claustrophobia? Claustrophilia?

Either way, that's cool. Very interesting!

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RE: Submissives & Bondage - 2/28/2014 8:38:30 PM

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I have no idea what it's called. I like things like meditation too, That's what I do when in bondage. I don't do the struggling thing. it just doesn't interest me.

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