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BamaD -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimers (3/10/2014 9:45:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Gunman kills man with Alzheimers and walks away free.

One Man Lost and Impaired, the Other Fearful and Armed

There is a perfect match between these facts and GotSteel's thread:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4643110/tm.htm


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Mr. Hendrix took a handgun, hurried out into the darkness and shouted at Mr. Westbrook.

But Mr. Westbrook, who was carrying a flashlight that was not turned on, did not answer.

“Westbrook never verbally responded to Hendrix but began to advance towards Hendrix in what Hendrix described as a quick and aggressive manner,” Mr. Franklin said. “Hendrix could only see a silhouette figure carrying a cylindrical object in his hand but could not make out anything else.”

Mr. Hendrix kept yelling at Mr. Westbrook, who the authorities said “continued to advance towards Hendrix in the same manner.”

Mr. Hendrix then fired, striking Mr. Westbrook once in the chest.



Shit....I read the headline here and I actually thought someone killed someone.....with (using) Alzheimers.

lol humor is welcome




thishereboi -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/11/2014 6:04:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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Did all 4 bullets go into the chest? I only ask because an hour ago you posted that you were not sure if all 4 bullets even hit the guy and now you not only know they did but you know where they hit.


You missed my point thishereboi... I don't know where all 4 rounds went...as I said before if he hit this man all four times, we do know 4 shots were reported as fired, then he must have had good light. Remember others were saying how it was dark... he could not tell what was in the mans hand...he couldn't tell he was an old man...etc. If he missed... then where did the missed rounds go? They could have went into a neighbors house and killed another innocent. They didn't of course be he could not know they wouldn't. But it did not stop him from being irresponsible and blasting away.

As I stated before here in St. Louis we hear almost every week where an errant round fired hits an innocent. This mans actions were irresponsible and bordering on criminal and the result is a dead sick innocent confused man. The only thing that gets me are supposedly responsible gun owners supporting his actions as responsible and resonable.

Butch



Well it that is what you really think then why did you post this one...


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I'd say 4 bullets in the gut told him he was not wanted...but asking what he wanted at the door could have made a difference don't you think?

Turning on a porch light may have helped... don't ya think

Saying he was calling the police may have helped ...don't ya think.

Staying in the house and waiting for the police may have helped... don't ya think

And just in case you missed the following...

I don't care what time of the day or night no one should be killed for knocking on a door

Butch





joether -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/11/2014 12:56:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
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For your edification Hendrix was actually but in his mind Westbrook was defending his home.

That line made no sense, Bama. Could you rephrase?

It was Hendrix's home, he was defending it.
Westbrook apparently thought he was at his home, so in his mind all of this was turned around.
To him Hendrix was the intruder and Westbrook was defending his home.
After making so much of Westbrook's disability it is incredible that you can't comprehend this unless it is
just that you don't want to.


Yes, and the guy went OUTSIDE the HOUSE. That's not 'self defense' that's going on the attack!




joether -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/11/2014 1:13:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
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ORIGINAL: BamaD
After making so much of Westbrook's disability it is incredible that you can't comprehend this unless it is
just that you don't want to.

I wasn't one of those who made a lot of Westbrook's disability, Bama. As I said earlier, the matter of his Alzheimer's is irrelevant to me. Instead, I made a point about Hendrix's stupidity, and the American legal system's acceptance and excusing of it. Hendrix, to me, is obviously a gormless, rednecked, gun-loving and utterly paranoid turd who has a gun at the ready so he can shoot at something in the dark, but no flashlight at the ready so that he can properly *see* what he's shooting at.

Are flashlights expensive and difficult to maintain in the USA, Bama? Much more expensive and difficult to maintain than guns, for instance? Would it be outrageous to require that anyone shooting at someone in the dark first be required to throw enough light on that person to see what he's shooting at - that is, some poor old bloke holding only a torch and not a gun - before shooting him?


I thought about this idea of flashlights a few days ago, but have been to busy to ask BamaD about it.

In America, obtaining a working flashlight costs a mere fraction of what a working firearm would cost. The same relationship as batteries for the flashlight when related to bullets for the firearm. The difference is that flashlights are more useful in any number of situations than firearms. Like helping to identify someone in the dark when outside...

This guy should go to trial for what he did. Its not self defense. He left the security of the house AFTER calling the police, to confront a possible intruder, out in the open, in the dark, with not clear route of retreat, nor the ability to establish threat from very innocent reason to being in that spot. He called out a number of warnings. Who heard the warnings? Was there any audio or filming of the event? Or are we to take the word of a murder that he is innocent?

In situations like that, I have *ALWAYS* carried a flashlight. And my flashlights are *ALWAYS* working and handy. When dealing with a possible intruder I make sure to keep an eye on them and their actions. The police are called and I 'sit tight' for the cavalry to arrive. In the two instances I did have to leave the house, I made sure to have backup in the form of roommates or friends, update the police, and a clear line of retreat to a fortified structure (i.e. the house). A sensible gun owner does not place themselves out in the open unless they are sure that 'open ground' is NOT an ambush waiting to happen.

This guy wanted to be an armed vigilante in the worst way. All he did was show how stupid the average gun owner is to America. That and giving the gun control crowd even more ammunition to sway Americans towards their views on firearm laws.






Musicmystery -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/11/2014 1:44:51 PM)

But...but....but....that can't be!!!!! BamaD assured me repeatedly that the first rule is to make sure you clearly see your target, or don't shoot!

And BamaD couldn't be full of shit . . . could he?




Lucylastic -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/11/2014 1:46:49 PM)

That really doesnt need a response does it???
*backing away slowly*




DomKen -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/11/2014 2:30:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

But...but....but....that can't be!!!!! BamaD assured me repeatedly that the first rule is to make sure you clearly see your target, or don't shoot!

And BamaD couldn't be full of shit . . . could he?

I've only gotten him to write a dozen or so times that it is ok to shoot without being able to identify the target on this thread.

It is one of the most basic rules of using a firearms.




BamaD -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/11/2014 3:37:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

But...but....but....that can't be!!!!! BamaD assured me repeatedly that the first rule is to make sure you clearly see your target, or don't shoot!

And BamaD couldn't be full of shit . . . could he?

I've only gotten him to write a dozen or so times that it is ok to shoot without being able to identify the target on this thread.

It is one of the most basic rules of using a firearms.

And again you misrepresent what I have said, as I have never said that even once, you just decided to interpret that way.




BamaD -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/11/2014 4:02:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

But...but....but....that can't be!!!!! BamaD assured me repeatedly that the first rule is to make sure you clearly see your target, or don't shoot!

And BamaD couldn't be full of shit . . . could he?

I've only gotten him to write a dozen or so times that it is ok to shoot without being able to identify the target on this thread.

It is one of the most basic rules of using a firearms.

I am not surprised that you are incapable of comprehending the difference between shooting through a door
without knowing who is on the other side and shooting someone who continues to advance on you after multiple warnings.




kdsub -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/11/2014 4:09:05 PM)

I don't think a 70 +year old could advance too fast... why did not the guy turn around and run back in the house and lock the door... oh i forgot he wanted to kill

Butch




DomKen -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/11/2014 4:10:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

But...but....but....that can't be!!!!! BamaD assured me repeatedly that the first rule is to make sure you clearly see your target, or don't shoot!

And BamaD couldn't be full of shit . . . could he?

I've only gotten him to write a dozen or so times that it is ok to shoot without being able to identify the target on this thread.

It is one of the most basic rules of using a firearms.

And again you misrepresent what I have said, as I have never said that even once, you just decided to interpret that way.

Shall I quote all the times you have insisted that turning on a light wasn't just unnecessary but was a bad idea?




BamaD -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/11/2014 4:17:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

But...but....but....that can't be!!!!! BamaD assured me repeatedly that the first rule is to make sure you clearly see your target, or don't shoot!

And BamaD couldn't be full of shit . . . could he?

I've only gotten him to write a dozen or so times that it is ok to shoot without being able to identify the target on this thread.

It is one of the most basic rules of using a firearms.

And again you misrepresent what I have said, as I have never said that even once, you just decided to interpret that way.

Shall I quote all the times you have insisted that turning on a light wasn't just unnecessary but was a bad idea?

Go ahead but if you could read you would know I was saying that coming out h with the light on makes you a target.
You also insist upon the ridiculous assumption that it was pitch black.
And you insist that my view is stupid in spite of the fact that the authorities with me.
It was by every criteria except your gunphobia a justified shooting. Get over it.
Maybe if you order them to change the law they will since you are the final authority on everything.




BamaD -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/11/2014 4:18:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

But...but....but....that can't be!!!!! BamaD assured me repeatedly that the first rule is to make sure you clearly see your target, or don't shoot!

And BamaD couldn't be full of shit . . . could he?

I've only gotten him to write a dozen or so times that it is ok to shoot without being able to identify the target on this thread.

It is one of the most basic rules of using a firearms.

And again you misrepresent what I have said, as I have never said that even once, you just decided to interpret that way.

Shall I quote all the times you have insisted that turning on a light wasn't just unnecessary but was a bad idea?

And you are uncomprehending enough to equate poor light with shooting through a door




Lucylastic -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/11/2014 4:18:59 PM)

snot like the law is ever wrong




BamaD -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/11/2014 4:20:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I don't think a 70 +year old could advance too fast... why did not the guy turn around and run back in the house and lock the door... oh i forgot he wanted to kill

Butch

If he wanted to kill he wouldn't have given three warnings.




DomKen -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/11/2014 4:23:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

But...but....but....that can't be!!!!! BamaD assured me repeatedly that the first rule is to make sure you clearly see your target, or don't shoot!

And BamaD couldn't be full of shit . . . could he?

I've only gotten him to write a dozen or so times that it is ok to shoot without being able to identify the target on this thread.

It is one of the most basic rules of using a firearms.

And again you misrepresent what I have said, as I have never said that even once, you just decided to interpret that way.

Shall I quote all the times you have insisted that turning on a light wasn't just unnecessary but was a bad idea?

And you are uncomprehending enough to equate poor light with shooting through a door

You're the one who repeatedly wrote that identifying your target was completely unnecessary and a bad idea.




Lucylastic -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/11/2014 4:24:02 PM)

maybe thats why he said he gave three warnings




kdsub -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/11/2014 4:25:29 PM)

He didn't have to give three... just turn around and go back to safety... If he didn't stop with three warnings...turn around and head to safety...Better than killing an innocent old man

Butch




BamaD -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/11/2014 4:39:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

But...but....but....that can't be!!!!! BamaD assured me repeatedly that the first rule is to make sure you clearly see your target, or don't shoot!

And BamaD couldn't be full of shit . . . could he?

I've only gotten him to write a dozen or so times that it is ok to shoot without being able to identify the target on this thread.

It is one of the most basic rules of using a firearms.

And again you misrepresent what I have said, as I have never said that even once, you just decided to interpret that way.

Shall I quote all the times you have insisted that turning on a light wasn't just unnecessary but was a bad idea?

And you are uncomprehending enough to equate poor light with shooting through a door

You're the one who repeatedly wrote that identifying your target was completely unnecessary and a bad idea.

I never said that or anything close to that and I am not responsible for your delusions.




BamaD -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/11/2014 4:44:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub

He didn't have to give three... just turn around and go back to safety... If he didn't stop with three warnings...turn around and head to safety...Better than killing an innocent old man

Butch

And how pray tell was he supposed to know he was a "harmless old man"
Had he known that his actions would no doubt have been different, you are holding him responsible
to know things he couldn't know.
Running away from prowlers only gets you more prowlers. Running away comes back to the bad guys own the streets.
Your response also indicates you know that I am right, he wouldn't have issued warnings if he wanted to kill.
You issue warnings because you don't want to kill.




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