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BamaD -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/9/2014 9:42:10 AM)
only if he got inside So if you went home and a stranger wouldn't let you in you wouldn't consider them an intruder unless you got inside? I hope that you realize how stupid that sounds.

BamaD -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/9/2014 9:45:24 AM)
No idea. Different angles, different views. But the night of the incident she told the investigators she did not think he was a danger and looked like an old man. Don't know, and don't care as long as it makes it sound like you have a clue as to what you are saying. You will believe anything even if it means contradicting yourself if you think people are stupid enough to swallow it. Her fear on the 911 clearly contradicts the no big deal idea.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/9/2014 10:33:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD So if you went home and a stranger wouldn't let you in you wouldn't consider them an intruder unless you got inside? I hope that you realize how stupid that sounds. Perhaps you don't understand what "intruder" actually means?? Intruder: "To come in rudely or inappropriately; enter as an improper or unwanted element". Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/intruder Notice the reference to 'come in' or 'enter'. Westbrook hadn't done that. Ergo, not an intruder.

Lucylastic -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/9/2014 10:34:01 AM)
LOL thanks Freedom, you saved me a job:) LMAO

BamaD -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/9/2014 10:39:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD So if you went home and a stranger wouldn't let you in you wouldn't consider them an intruder unless you got inside? I hope that you realize how stupid that sounds. Perhaps you don't understand what "intruder" actually means?? Intruder: "To come in rudely or inappropriately; enter as an improper or unwanted element". Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/intruder Notice the reference to 'come in' or 'enter'. Westbrook hadn't done that. Ergo, not an intruder. And you didn't read far enough back. Ken is saying that Westbrook, thinking that it was his home, would not consider Hendrix an intruder until Westbrook got inside. Hopefully he was just confused, as were you.

DomKen -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/9/2014 11:27:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD So if you went home and a stranger wouldn't let you in you wouldn't consider them an intruder unless you got inside? I hope that you realize how stupid that sounds. Perhaps you don't understand what "intruder" actually means?? Intruder: "To come in rudely or inappropriately; enter as an improper or unwanted element". Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/intruder Notice the reference to 'come in' or 'enter'. Westbrook hadn't done that. Ergo, not an intruder. And you didn't read far enough back. Ken is saying that Westbrook, thinking that it was his home, would not consider Hendrix an intruder until Westbrook got inside. Hopefully he was just confused, as were you. Why would he consider someone he encountered outside an intruder? Do try and think before you make shit up.

BamaD -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/9/2014 11:32:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD So if you went home and a stranger wouldn't let you in you wouldn't consider them an intruder unless you got inside? I hope that you realize how stupid that sounds. Perhaps you don't understand what "intruder" actually means?? Intruder: "To come in rudely or inappropriately; enter as an improper or unwanted element". Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/intruder Notice the reference to 'come in' or 'enter'. Westbrook hadn't done that. Ergo, not an intruder. And you didn't read far enough back. Ken is saying that Westbrook, thinking that it was his home, would not consider Hendrix an intruder until Westbrook got inside. Hopefully he was just confused, as were you. Why would he consider someone he encountered outside an intruder? Do try and think before you make shit up. You aren't thinking he had just been turned away from what he considered his home, then someone came out and confronted him of course he would consider him an intruder.

Politesub53 -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/9/2014 11:59:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: “A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity” - Sigmund Freud This is not a statement that appears in any translation of any of Freud's works. It is a paraphrase of a statement from the essay "Guns, Murders, and the Constitution" (February 1990) by Don B. Kates, Jr. where Kates summarizes his views of passages in Dreams in Folklore (1958) by Freud and David E. Oppenheim, while disputing statements by Emmanuel Tanay in "Neurotic Attachment to Guns" in a 1976 edition of The Fifty Minute Hour: A Collection of True Psychoanalytic Tales (1955) by Robert Mitchell Lindner: Dr. Tanay is perhaps unaware of — in any event, he does not cite — other passages more relevant to his argument. In these other passages Freud associates retarded sexual and emotional development not with gun ownership, but with fear and loathing of weapons. The probative importance that ought to be attached to the views of Freud is, of course, a matter of opinion. The point here is only that those views provide no support for the penis theory of gun ownership. Due to misreading of this essay and its citations, this paraphrase of an opinion about Freud's ideas has been wrongly attributed to Freud himself, and specifically to his 10th Lecture "Symbolism in Dreams" in General Introduction to Psychoanalysis on some internet forum pages: alt.quotations, uk.politics.guns, talk.politics.guns, can.talk.guns , etc. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud#Misattributed You mean the gun nuts are posting bullshit ? I am flabergasted.......[;)] Brainyquote has much to answer for.

DomKen -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/9/2014 12:24:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD So if you went home and a stranger wouldn't let you in you wouldn't consider them an intruder unless you got inside? I hope that you realize how stupid that sounds. Perhaps you don't understand what "intruder" actually means?? Intruder: "To come in rudely or inappropriately; enter as an improper or unwanted element". Source: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/intruder Notice the reference to 'come in' or 'enter'. Westbrook hadn't done that. Ergo, not an intruder. And you didn't read far enough back. Ken is saying that Westbrook, thinking that it was his home, would not consider Hendrix an intruder until Westbrook got inside. Hopefully he was just confused, as were you. Why would he consider someone he encountered outside an intruder? Do try and think before you make shit up. You aren't thinking he had just been turned away from what he considered his home, then someone came out and confronted him of course he would consider him an intruder. The 72 year old man was confused and in need of assistance. Unless of course you consider him an unstoppable juggernaut of destruction only stoppable by 4 rounds to the chest. I certainly don't. I'm certainly a blanket wrapped around the chest, a cup of coffee, some calm words and patience until the police arrived would have worked.

Politesub53 -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/9/2014 12:28:07 PM)
You dont get it Ken....... The meme is shoot first and ask questions later, otherwise you are a pussy..... [;)]

BamaD -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/9/2014 12:28:57 PM)
The 72 year old man was confused and in need of assistance. Unless of course you consider him an unstoppable juggernaut of destruction only stoppable by 4 rounds to the chest. I certainly don't. I'm certainly a blanket wrapped around the chest, a cup of coffee, some calm words and patience until the police arrived would have worked. So when proved wrong you try to change the POV how yankee of you. You are clearly unaware that Alzhiemer's victims can get quite violent, he is armed, and he thinks he is defending his home. Four shots were fired one hit.

Lucylastic -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/9/2014 12:35:02 PM)
yes you have those words directly from the victim NOT talk about making assumptions its so easy when the victim is dead

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/9/2014 1:08:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD You are clearly unaware that Alzhiemer's victims can get quite violent, Note: can get violent. Is there anything in any report that is claiming Westbrook was being violent and/or threatening in any way?? quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD he is armed, No he wasn't. He had a flashlight. And by your own postings, he was stopped by police earlier reading mail by torchlight so they let him go. As has been explained to you countless times, unless you are wielding that flashlight in a threatening/menacing/dangerous manner, it is not a weapon! And, although I haven't seen anything to the contrary, if Westwood was reading mail by torchlight and it was dark, it would predispose the argument that the flashlight was still on and thus easily seen as a flashlight and not a firearm or a dangerous weapon? quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD and he thinks he is defending his home. But it was Hendrix who was doing the defending [8\|] Regardless of what Westbrook was or wasn't thinking (and we won't know because the poor bugger is now dead), it's pretty obvious that he wasn't being menacing towards Hendrix and Hendrix had the upper hand. quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD Four shots were fired one hit. We know. And that's what killed Westbrook. No matter how you slice the cake Bama, Westood was completely innocent and Hendrix was a stupid trigger-happy asshat that made a bad call. And I don't agree on your stance that just by being an intruder, or not answering a challenge automatically gives your assailant the first blow, free shot, or whatever. It reminds me of those uber-doms on here that defend their shit even when it's unreasonable and nothing more than chest-beating self indulgence. The only people that have that sort of mentality are those still living in wild west culture. I would sincerely hope those sort of individuals are very thin on the ground and uncommon.

DomKen -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/9/2014 1:31:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD The 72 year old man was confused and in need of assistance. Unless of course you consider him an unstoppable juggernaut of destruction only stoppable by 4 rounds to the chest. I certainly don't. I'm certainly a blanket wrapped around the chest, a cup of coffee, some calm words and patience until the police arrived would have worked. So when proved wrong you try to change the POV how yankee of you. You are clearly unaware that Alzhiemer's victims can get quite violent, he is armed, and he thinks he is defending his home. Four shots were fired one hit. He was 72 years old and had been out in the cold for at least 4 hours. He was not going to put up much of a fight even with a flashlight. I'm not such coward that a frail old man has to be shot if he swings a flashlight at me, are you?

BamaD -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/9/2014 1:36:36 PM)
But it was Hendrix who was doing the defending Regardless of what Westbrook was or wasn't thinking (and we won't know because the poor bugger is now dead), it's pretty obvious that he wasn't being menacing towards Hendrix and Hendrix had the upper hand. I realize it is hard for you to comprehend but Westbrook thinking he is defending his home makes him more dangerous. You most likely cannot follow this either but Westbrook being completely innocent does not change the fact that his actions caused his death.

BamaD -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/9/2014 1:38:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD The 72 year old man was confused and in need of assistance. Unless of course you consider him an unstoppable juggernaut of destruction only stoppable by 4 rounds to the chest. I certainly don't. I'm certainly a blanket wrapped around the chest, a cup of coffee, some calm words and patience until the police arrived would have worked. So when proved wrong you try to change the POV how yankee of you. You are clearly unaware that Alzhiemer's victims can get quite violent, he is armed, and he thinks he is defending his home. Four shots were fired one hit. He was 72 years old and had been out in the cold for at least 4 hours. He was not going to put up much of a fight even with a flashlight. I'm not such coward that a frail old man has to be shot if he swings a flashlight at me, are you? Let a 72 year old hit you up side of the head with a flashlight and get back to me. Hendrix had no way of knowing how long Westbrook had been out in the cold.

freedomdwarf1 -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/9/2014 2:08:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD I realize it is hard for you to comprehend but Westbrook thinking he is defending his home makes him more dangerous. You most likely cannot follow this either but Westbrook being completely innocent does not change the fact that his actions caused his death. Nope. I don't buy that excuse one little bit. And I don't agree that Westbrook's actions caused his death - it was undeniably Hendrix that caused his death. Your constant aggressive defense policy of shoot the fucker before they get a chance is worrying; even from a pro-gun PoV.

Kirata -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/9/2014 2:41:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 You dont get it Ken....... The meme is shoot first and ask questions later, otherwise you are a pussy..... [;)] Well I'm sure nobody means you. We know you have a dick, because you walked in here with it out. K.

DomKen -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/9/2014 3:36:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD The 72 year old man was confused and in need of assistance. Unless of course you consider him an unstoppable juggernaut of destruction only stoppable by 4 rounds to the chest. I certainly don't. I'm certainly a blanket wrapped around the chest, a cup of coffee, some calm words and patience until the police arrived would have worked. So when proved wrong you try to change the POV how yankee of you. You are clearly unaware that Alzhiemer's victims can get quite violent, he is armed, and he thinks he is defending his home. Four shots were fired one hit. He was 72 years old and had been out in the cold for at least 4 hours. He was not going to put up much of a fight even with a flashlight. I'm not such coward that a frail old man has to be shot if he swings a flashlight at me, are you? Let a 72 year old hit you up side of the head with a flashlight and get back to me. Hendrix had no way of knowing how long Westbrook had been out in the cold. I've been hit by younger men and never had the need to shoot them.

PeonForHer -> RE: Senseless shooting: Gunman kills man with Alzheimersquiquit (3/9/2014 4:16:21 PM)
quote: But it was Hendrix who was doing the defending No. Hendrix was doing the attacking. Let's face it, Bama, this was yet another situation in which some aggressive, paranoid berk was able to wrap himself up in the Second Amendment and all the state's protection flowing from it in order to make it look like 'defence'. He had a gun, ready to hand, because he likes his gun and likes what it can do. He didn't have a flashlight to hand in order to see that the man was old and had a flashlight rather than a gun . . . because he doesn't care about flashlights and see no relevance. The matter of this old man having Alzheimer's is a side issue, to me. What I can't get is why the killer here made too little an effort to evaluate the situation. Flashlights have been around for a very long time, now. For me, it is not an excuse that one is not to hand on a dark night at a time when you need to determine whether someone requires being shot at, or not. In what lunatic world do you have a gun at the ready - cleaned, primed, loaded - to shoot at someone in the dark - but no flashlight so that you can properly see the person you're shooting at? It should not be an acceptable excuse that he thought that the old man's flashlight was a gun, because he couldn't see it properly. That is disgraceful.

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