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shiftyw -> RE: I'd like to get subs' takes on this writing. (3/9/2014 7:56:56 PM)

For us it has nothing to do with role play vs. real play- Just saying "Red" is faster than "Hey, I'm feeling *insert whatever here* could we maybe stop and deal with it please?"- if I'm saying red- its not a secret code- or a bond- its just out of ease and speed- and its MUCH easier than putting my feelings into words (at least to me)...
it usually goes "Red!"- he stops- I say "Hey, I'm feeling really insecure/depressed/Hey my back is starting to really hurt, I'm a bit nervous about it/etc." The lines of communication are open- Red is just like...the e-brake.




njlauren -> RE: I'd like to get subs' takes on this writing. (3/9/2014 8:19:07 PM)

I don't think safewords can or should replace open communications, but especially for people new to play or don't know each other well it takes guesswork if 'no,stop' means stop or means shit, that hurts too much, or I am in distress....I personally don't like red, I like words that aren't commonly used, simply because being so odd it means the person thought about it.you can groan no or stop in the heat of passion, not likely to say grapefruit.

In my experience, when partners are doing this many of them end up not really having one, that happened to me. If we ever switched and I was the one acting as top, I would have my sweetie have a safeword, simply because we haven't done it with me topping and her bottoming....eventually prob wouldn't need it there, either.

My problem with safewords is people who use them as the be all and end all. Safewords can be perverted, a sub/bottom trying to prove something may refuse to safeword out of stubborn pride, a top/dominant may decide not to recognize it and more importantly, in subspace someone can be so zoned out they don't realize they are in distress,it is why tops/dominants need to monitor visual clues things are going wrong, like limbs turning colors,skin going clammy indicating shock, all kinds of things. Likewise, it is also possible a dominant may be running into trouble, where physically they want to perform, give the sub what they need, and are hurting themselves (it sounds silly, but I know of two cases where dominants didn't want to disappoint there subs, one was a diabetic who hadn't eaten right and was going into diabetic shock, another was someone having a heart event, in both cases the sub saw something was wrong and stopped the session, potentially saving the dominants life). Safewords are a tool, a good one, but they also need to be backed up by observation skills and being careful.

As far as safewords during punishment, it sounds to me like it is kind of missing the point. As others have pointed out, using physical punishment on someone who is a masochist implies it won't work well, and unless it is something like the sub hates spanking, gets nothing out of it, and it is unlikely to cause any kind of problems physically or emotionally (so a safeword wouldn't be needed), it seems contra indicated. From my experience with D/s, I always thought that non physical punishments, like being denied privileges or simply knowing they disappointed the D worked better, and if physical punishment was used it would need to be a)outside the realm of play entirely and b)something where danger would be limited to non existent.




DesFIP -> RE: I'd like to get subs' takes on this writing. (3/9/2014 9:54:58 PM)

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Of course if they need to use a safeword for something like that it is understandable.
What i meant (and thought most here would understand) would be using the safeword for the sole purpose of avoiding punishment DUH!
So what you are saying then if a sub uses a safeword when they have done something to deserve punishment just to avoid said punishment and they are not in any physical/mental danger that makes the Dominant untrustworthy?
Please explain that one to me because i just don't get that at all.


You admit to being pretty inexperienced. In my relationship, I can assure you that I'm much more likely not to admit to there being a problem than to admitting it, because I don't want him to be disappointed. And most subs in good relationships feel this way.

Therefore, for a sub to essentially be saying "fuck you" to the dominant, means there are major problems in the relationship. If I reject his authority to punish me, if I don't trust him - these are all major relationship fails. And punishment does not solve resentment or distrust.

Personally, I believe that the person who leads the relationship bears the primary responsibility to make sure it's going in a good direction. If the dominant isn't doing that, then the relationship won't last - nor should it. Like Harry Truman, in this relationship "the buck stops here" is in his hands, not mine.




shadowborn61 -> RE: I'd like to get subs' takes on this writing. (3/9/2014 10:15:07 PM)

See from what i have read most Dominants would rather a sub use a safeword or communicate however they do it than to have a sub do something or endure something out of fear of failing the Dominant. If as you say your Dominant knows you that well wouldn't it be better to stop whatever before you go to far and risk either your well being or your Dominants well being? Think about this if you refused to use a safeword or stop play and were injured how do you think your Dominant would feel? is that fair to them to possibly risk their emotional well being out of your fear of failure?
You are right i do not have a lot of actual experience but i do read a lot on this site and others and the general consensus as i see it, is it is better to stop play by safewording or saying stop or whatever than to risk your partners wellbeing. I have even read that some Dominants will safeword if they think the sub has gone too far or that they may go to far themselves and lose control.
The "fear of failure" seems to be a common reason for not using a safeword but that doesn't make it a good reason and i have to wonder at the level of true communication if you fear failing and would rather endure something you do not want.
If the communication is that good then your Dominant would trust you to say something and you by not saying anything violate that trust would you not?




LadyConstanze -> RE: I'd like to get subs' takes on this writing. (3/10/2014 6:03:13 AM)

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But I think for others, the use of "code word" or "safewords" just adds an element of "this is kind of big deal to interrupt my flow and ask permission to convey your fears and emotions" in a situation where no one is resisting, no one is roleplaying, and a simple and straightforward communication of what they are feeling is more effective.


Ideally clear communication would be best, but you're dealing often with situations where a person possibly can't articulate what doesn't feel right because there are all sorts of emotions and physical sensations are going on, using a safeword might just work better in that particular moment than trying to explain. If somebody feels overwhelmed, it's a bit of a shock situation, "red" might be easier than saying "At them moment I feel this isn't going right and I'm not sure if I can handle it!" If things get passionate, the whole communication thing might just not work so well...




AAkasha -> RE: I'd like to get subs' takes on this writing. (3/10/2014 1:19:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

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But I think for others, the use of "code word" or "safewords" just adds an element of "this is kind of big deal to interrupt my flow and ask permission to convey your fears and emotions" in a situation where no one is resisting, no one is roleplaying, and a simple and straightforward communication of what they are feeling is more effective.


Ideally clear communication would be best, but you're dealing often with situations where a person possibly can't articulate what doesn't feel right because there are all sorts of emotions and physical sensations are going on, using a safeword might just work better in that particular moment than trying to explain. If somebody feels overwhelmed, it's a bit of a shock situation, "red" might be easier than saying "At them moment I feel this isn't going right and I'm not sure if I can handle it!" If things get passionate, the whole communication thing might just not work so well...



Playing devil's advocate here - why can't they just say, "stop," or "wait," or "slow down"? That's easier to remember (it's our natural reaction, not a code). Unless they are roleplaying and the sub is saying "STOP!" and not meaning stop. Or "Please don't!"

A code word carries with it a sense of ...I don't know, "burden" almost, or "officiality" for lack of a better word, that I worry makes some subs hesitant to use (or they might forget) -- at the very least, it causes them to switch from instinctive communication, ("STOP") to acknowledge they are in the parameters of an agreed upon structure that could be intimidating.

Like, "Oh no I don't want to ruin the flow by using the super duper code word."

Unless people are roleplaying resistance, I think clear words are better. Just instead of telling your partner, "Use RED if you want me to stop," say "If you want me to stop, just say stop." No one is going to forget that after you told them. They might forget "RED" or feel, even subconsciously, that bringing in a code word is somehow more dramatic and disruptive.

I do a lot of resistance stuff and slapping guys around and I want them to fight me (verbally) and say "Please stop hurting me, wait I can't take this anymore," and in those cases a code word is important. But a lot of people in the BDSM community poo-poo "roleplaying" as a whole. If they are not roleplaying, they should just use the language we have been given.

It carries so much less weight and a lot of subs may not want to go there.

Akasha




AAkasha -> RE: I'd like to get subs' takes on this writing. (3/10/2014 1:27:21 PM)



In 1996 I wrote this story on safewords and negotiation. It's about two "scenes". One with safewords and negotiation. One with, well, just one simple code. Both stories in this are based on real life events.

**
The Negotiation

I saw him and I knew I wanted him.

The club was thinning out, and I knew from experience that the upstairs seating area was dark, uncrowded and quiet enough to talk without having to scream at each other.

It was mostly hunger - and the way he moved. Slow, with a purpose. He was sanding at the bar sipping a drink. Sleek. Catlike. When he ran a hand through his hair, that sealed it.

He would be mine.

***

I saw him and knew I wanted him.

It was a kinky party, yes. Everyone there was into the scene, and I could tell he was a sub because of the way he lowered his eyes - somewhat bashfully - when a woman approached him.

He had beautiful eyes. Communicative eyes, I could tell. The hunger welled inside of me. It had been so long. People had been pairing off and going off to play, and I wanted my turn. I wanted a taste.

I wanted a taste of him.

***

"What are you drinking?" was the first thing I asked him. I certainly didn't want a drunk to deal with, and it was a good way to find that out up front.

He smiled. Sipped. "Coke." he said. Almost bashful. I like that.

I moved closer to him and smiled, then ordered a drink of my own. Afterward, I turned to him and stared until he got uneasy and looked down, shy.

"Am I making you nervous?"

"Yes," he said, not looking at me. But smiling. So slight.

"Good," I said, leaning close enough that our sides touched as I turned toward the bar. "I like that."

I could have sworn I felt him shudder. But that might have been wishful thinking.

***

"What's your name?" I asked him.

"Derek," he said, lowering his eyes.

I sat next to him and neither of us spoke for a moment. I could feel him uneasy next to me, which only drove my hunger more. We both looked up to the sounds of someone wailing in the next room, victim of what sounded like a pretty nice flogging.

He chuckled uneasily.

"You like the sound of that," I teased.

He just lowered his head.

I put a hand in his hair. I will admit, I was moving fast - but I was hungry. "You want that to be you."

He shivered. I moved in for the kill.

***

We were making out at the bar.

It wasn't something I liked to do, but it just happened. The way he had his head down, nervous, just drove me to him. It took a few minutes to get there, but it was a careful few minutes.

Standing close, then watching to see if he would back off to claim his space back. He didn't.

Hand lightly touching his thigh. It could have been accidental. I did it on purpose to see if he'd move. He didn't.

A nose against his. I pretended to be nuzzling to smell his cologne. I caught his breath; he was inhaling sharply when I pressed close.

"You aren't used to a forward woman," I observed out loud.

"No," his eyes were shut, head lowered toward me. Breathing measured.

"But you like it," I told him, reaching up, hand around his neck and pulling down.

"Yes," was on his lips as we kissed for the first time.

***

I took my prey to a backroom where a big rack-like instrument was open for use. This pleased me to no end. And he looked gorgeous in the light - boyish features, long dark hair and blue eyes. He bit his lip. Nervous. Looking around. Was he playing it up or just honestly scared? I didn't care.

I moved my hand over the rack, smiling at it. I wanted one of my own. I let him stand there and watch me fawn over it, looking at him and smiling.

"You like that thing," he chuckled, nervous.

"Yes," I smiled. I moved closer to him and added, "I want to see you on it, though."

"Ok," he nodded, looking down. Nervous. Again, I loved it.

I started fingering the collar of his shirt.

He cleared his throat.

"Maybe..." he started. "Maybe we should talk a little first."

I fingered his collar more and kissed his neck. "Sure," I said softly, pressing my lips to his collarbone. "What's on your mind?"

***

I took my prey up to the dark corner I remembered. Sure enough, people were mostly gone and the music was a bit loud but tolerable. We were kissing deeply, cuddling, and soon I had him pinned up against a wall.

Soft moans came from him. The kind that made me ache.

When he moved his hands to my waist I took him by the wrists and pinned them behind his back. He twisted a little but didn't pull away, then groaned into my mouth, frustrated.

"Shhhhh," I hushed, clenching my grip tighter. Tight enough to make sure he knew I meant business.

He sighed a little and I pinned him closer to the wall, switching to use only one hand to hold both wrists behind him. Of course this meant he could pull away with total ease, but he didn't. He kept his wrists there.

My free hand moved up his neck, to his chin, where I lifted his head so I could kiss his flesh openly, easily.

And he didn't stop me.

Consent.

***

I sat on the table next to my prey and we talked.

He took a deep breath.

"You look nervous," I smiled, touching his hair. He nodded.

"I thought I should tell you my limits," he said.

"Ok," I nodded, pushing up my sleeves and sliding closer to him, admiring his features, imagining what his expressions would be during various tortures I had in mind.

"First," he looked at me, in the eyes. "No marks...."

***

My teeth dug into his flesh and I felt him tense all over. I bit. I sucked, then I nibbled. The flesh on his neck was tender, and even in the darkness I could see a slight redness. I moved a finger over it and "mmmd"

He shifted.

My mouth moved to his ear. "You mark easily," I breathed, pressing my body into his. His hands were still pinned behind his back.

"Mmm," he nodded.

"Anyone going to see your neck tomorrow?" I teased, nibbling behind his ear.

He chuckled, eyes still closed, and pulled at his wrists a little but I tightened my hold. "I work tomorrow..."

I moved my mouth down to his collarbone. "I'll stay out of sight..." I hissed, licking his skin.

His hips pressed into mine and he moaned, "That's fine..."

***

"Have you been drinking or do I need to worry about any medical problems?" I asked my boy, sitting close to him and playing with his hair.

He hmmd and sat back. "My back gets sore sometimes." He looked at the rack. "This might make me kind of sore tomorrow."

"Should we do something else?" I asked.

"No..it should be ok as long as it's not for too long. How long do you think it will be?"

I shrugged and tried to predict. "A half hour maybe?"

He flinched.

"Twenty minutes?" I asked.

"Fifteen," he nodded.

"Ok." I looked at my watch. He looked at his watch.

***

I pinned him.

It was a big, flat alcove type area, and I knew it was stiff and uncomfortable. He shifted but I used my knees on either side to pin him down.

Between kisses I whispered, "Is that too uncomfortable?"

His eyes were shut, "I can handle it," he breathed. I could feel his body moving against mine.

I pinned his wrists above his head and whispered, "Lift your head up so I can get to your neck. Hold still. And don't open your eyes."

My grip was tighter this time, tight enough around his wrists that I knew he could feel a serious edge in my moves. He tested the virtual bonds then held still.

Even when I moved my hand down his body and he twisted, arching his back, he still kept his hands down and in my other hand, holding his crossed wrists above his head.

I wanted more. "Let's go to my car," I whispered. "Unless you've had too much for one night."

He shook his head, eyes closed. "No...I'm fine....let's go."

***

"You aren't claustrophobic, are you?" I asked him as I went through the leather restraints and tried to find what kind I wanted.

He pushed up his sleeves. "Well, no. Just be careful with circulation."

"I always am," I told him.

"Should we talk about safewords?" he asked when he saw me coming at him with the shackles.

"Sure. Why not the basics. Red means stop, yellow means slow down." I told him.

"And green," he added. "Green for ok."

"Isn't it assumed that no red or yellow means green?"

"Well, yeah, but if I yellow then green, you know it's ok to bring up the intensity."

"Ok, so a yellow followed by a green means ignore the previous yellow, it was a temporary yellow?"

"Yeah, or a yellow that isn't followed by a red probably is ok too, sometimes I yellow just to get back into headspace."

I paused, thinking. "So it isn't really a back down yellow, it's a you-need-a-quick break yellow?"

He nodded. "Sometimes I call that orange."

"Maybe I should write this down," I told him.

***

The car was cold at first, but once we were in the backseat we warmed up quite quickly. There was enough room, and I even had toys laying across the floor of the car. Coincidence.

We were kissing and I had him pinned down again, straddling him with his wrists above his head. With a little fumbling I found a pair of handcuffs.

While we were kissing I made sure he saw them in my hand, then waited for reaction.

"Kinky," he commented, breaking the kiss and looking at them.

"Are you ok with this?" I asked him, sitting up and playing with the cuffs in front of him, loving the sound and feel of them.

He pushed up both sleeves, eyeing them. Uneasy, I could tell. "Depends. You aren't a psycho are you?"

I chuckled. "No, I'm not."

"How can I be sure?"

"You can't. You just have to trust me."

He hmmed. I was staring at the cuffs longingly.

Finally he shifted, then held up his wrists to me. "You only live once," he smiled.

I smiled back, and got much more serious when the metal locked in place around his wrists. My seriousness made him shift under my body, then I pinned his wrists, more suddenly, above his head.

His eyes were opened a little wider, startled Alert.

The next kiss was hard. I was fierce. He shifted under me.

When I broke the kiss I moved my mouth to his ear and whispered, "If you really want me to stop," I paused and kissed his ear, "Say one word, say REINDEER".

He moaned at my touch. I heard the cuffs rattling.

"Otherwise, all pleading and begging me to stop will be gleefully ignored," I grinned. "Keep in mind, I like begging and pleading. It gets me off."

I heard a chuckle from him. Nervous, but a chuckle nonetheless.

Another kiss to his ear. "Now what's the word to make me stop?"

"Reindeer," he whispered back.

I kissed his nose. "Maybe you're a fast learner and I won't have to punish you at all.…

***

"I like resistance," I told him point blank.

"Like.." he looked at me, "Really fierce, mean resistance, or just struggling?"

"I guess a mixture."

"How long until I give in?" he asked me.

I shrugged, thinking. "Half way through, I guess?"

"So, after about 7 minutes?"

"Ok."

We looked at our watches.

***

When he struggled, I moaned into his ear and my body pressed against his. He struggled more.

His breathing came harder, and when I pulled his hair he whimpered.

I moaned again, putting my mouth on his. My fist was tight in his hair, my other hand moving down his body and feeling him writhe.

I held him by the chin and kissed him hard, then backed off. Another hard kiss, then I stopped and held still until his eyes opened, his shifting stopped, and he looked at me curiously.

"Don't let me kiss you," I ordered.

He obeyed. His fight was furious, determined. But I won, after chasing his head back and forth until I pinned him by the chin, making him flinch. His expression showed real pain. I looked at his wrists. The cuffs weren't biting in too hard, and his fingers still had circulation.

I gripped his chin harder, broke the forced kiss, listening to him gasp for breath. My body ached with desire.

"Do you want me to stop?" I asked. Firm.

He shook his head.

I clenched my grip hard. "Answer me!" I snapped.

"No...no." he gasped.

"Beg me not to."

"Please.."he let out his breath. "Keep going."

"What if I want to hurt you."

He moaned.

"Will you take it for me?"

His eyes opened slowly and he looked at me. "Yes."

***

I was locking him into the rack face down. The feel of the leather on the buckles excited me. He was shifting in his bonds. I was slipping into domspace.

He turned his head toward me, peering over his back. "Oh, about pain..." he said quietly.

"Yes," I replied, entranced, hands moving down his bare back.

"Clamps are ok, CBT is ok, flogging..well, it's ok, but not for too long, and no marks."

"I understand," I told him.

"Sometimes I yellow on the clamps, but don't let that discourage you," he added. "My vanilla SO uses them on me sometimes, to get me used to them."

"Ok," I said.

He wiggled. "I don't know if these are tight enough,"

"I'm not done yet."

"Ok, just letting you know."

***

A hand under his shirt, I pinched his left nipple to feel how much he squirmed. Most of the movement came from his hips, and he pressed his crotch up against me, breathing heavily into my ear.

I bit him lightly behind the neck. "Does that hurt?" I whispered, in a pseudo sympathetic way.

He moaned and I covered his mouth with my hand. Tight. His eyes opened and we looked at each other.

I reached down, staring into his eyes the whole time, feeling for the other nipple. I applied pressure, slowly, slowly, until I saw his gaze turn into a wince. Then I applied more. He jerked in my grip then I let go of his mouth and took a breath.

I kissed him hard.

He responded back equally hard, and I started reaching for the clamps. He saw them, looked at me, then at them again.

"Do you know what these are?" I asked him.

"Yes," he said softly. His voice was shaking a little. I took his hand, his pinky, and attached one of the clamps to it, pulling. They tightened.

"I'm going to put these on your nipples." I told him. "It's going to hurt."

"I know," he licked his lips, shutting his eyes. "I can take it."

I slammed my hand over his mouth and his eyes shot open, startled. I slid closer, glaring down at him. "It's going to hurt a lot, my pet. And you're going to show me how much it hurts, in your eyes, and in your body."

He nodded. He understood.

***

"I have an aversion to rubber floggers," he told me. "I had a bad experience with them."

I tossed the rubber one aside and settled with a leather flogger, running it lightly over his back and watching him squirm. I liked the sounds he was making, and the way he was pulling at the restraints with his wrist.

His body twitched under my touch, he was moaning loudly.

I set down the flogger and went to my toys. The big red ballgag looked nice. I picked it up and carried it over to him.

His eyes moved to it, hesitant, then he looked at me and before I could say anything said, "But I won't be able to safeword..."

"I haven't put it in yet," I told him.

***

"You're going to scream when I put this on you," I told him, moving closer and pinned him down in the car. I could feel his breathing under me, now heavy, deep.

My hand moved down his neck. Holding him there. Stroking. But feeling his pulse. Yes, his heart was beating fast. There was fear in his eyes. I felt a combination of lust and eagerness. I forced myself to back down.

Kissing him briefly on the lips, I eased up off him and whispered, "I can't have you drawing attention to us, so I'm going to gag you."

His eyes looked up into mine with a definite hint of dread in them.

"Sit up," I ordered. I was fumbling around for a spare glove, a cloth, anything to put into his mouth.

Once he was sitting upright I reached behind him and put my car keys in his palm. "Drop them if you need me to stop. I'll hear them when they hit the floor."

"Ok," he said. He was watching me as I located a scarf. "I'm really scared." he announced.

Tingle.

***

He yellowed, then oranged. We'd decided to hold off on the gag for a few minutes.

I wasn't quite sure what that combination meant and my mind went blank. Yellow was slow down, but so was orange. But together, what was that. Slow down for real then just slow down a little?

"What's yellow-orange?" I whispered to him.

He was breathing a little shaky. "I thought I needed to yellow, then realized it was just an orange."

"Ok..."

He looked at me from over my shoulder. "You can always just respect the second safeword if I give two,"

"All right."

***

When the clamps went on, he let out a loud muffled wail into the scarf. I had to put my hand over his mouth to silence him even more, and his body was twisting under me.

"Look at me," I hissed, taking him by the chin.

When his eyes opened I stared into them, holding him steady, waiting. Thinking. He was shaking a little. No keys had dropped.

My hand moved to his neck. His heart was pounding. He swallowed hard.

I took them off.

Then the scarf.

He gasped and I pulled him close and gave him a hug for a moment. "Bad timing," I whispered, stroking his hair back.

He choked on a few words. "Hurt more than I thought,"

"We'll work up to that," I kissed him on the ear.

"Thank you."

***

I finished the flogging then held him a little. He shivered in my arms, and it felt good.

"I don't think I'm done yet," I told him. I felt like a woman during sex who was trying to admit she didn't have an orgasm but still wanted one.

"OK," he looked at me, smiling weakly. "We can do more. I just need a little break."

"So do I," I nodded, fingering his hair.

"Did I resist enough?" he asked hopefully.

"Let's talk afterward. I'm still in domspace."

"Ok. If you want me to struggle more next time, just say blue."

"Blue it is."

***

After I held him for a bit, shivering in the car, I pulled back and looked at his eyes. He looked dazed. Hungry. Eager.

"I want to touch you," he whispered. The handcuffs were starting to bother him, I could tell. He twisted at his shoulders.

I pressed my body into his, teasing. I shifted my hips into his and he moaned. He struggled.

"You know I like teasing you," I told him, smiling.

"Yes..." he gasped, pushing up his hips to meet mine. "You do, you do it well..."

"You know I'm not going to have sex with you," I said matter-of-factly.

"I figured as much, " he let out his breath, eyes closed. "The ultimate torture. You like to see me in agony."

I kissed him lightly on the lips. "I just don't know you well enough for sex. But rest assured, if you behave yourself, you will be allowed some relief. "

His eyes opened, curious.

"Just not by me."

He shut his eyes, embarrassed.

***

I had him tied down, again face down.

This time when he heard me behind him he looked up and said, "One more thing."

"Yes?" I asked, looking at a dildo in my hand. A nice, big black one.

"No anal."

"Is that a limit?" I asked.

"Yes," he nodded.

"Is it a hard limit, or a soft limit?"

"Hard limit."

"Can I tease you with the idea then?" I asked, walking over. He looked at

the dildo.

"Ok, just as long as you don't make good on your threats."

"I won't."

"Then it's fine," he swallowed hard and looked at me.

I moved closer, lowering my voice. "Just pretend like you aren't sure I am serious ok? Like you think I might do it."

"But you won't do it, right?"

"No," I said.

"Ok."

I brought the dildo closer to him and he shuddered.

***

"Have you ever been fucked by a man?" I whispered into his ear between kisses, kisses that made him move his whole body and moan out loud, hands rattling in the cuffs.

"What!?" He gasped. "no! No...I'm not gay."

"Ever thought about it..."

"No," he snapped right away. My hands moved under his pants. He lifted his hips. My fingers trailed down his ass.

"Have you ever been fucked by a woman, pretending to be a man?"

He moaned. Confused. "I dunno..no...what do you mean?" he was breathing hard. The topic made him nervous.

I took him by the shoulders and flipped him over, clumsily, onto his stomach. His handcuffed wrists were in front of me. He struggled. I straddled him from behind, taking him by a fistful of hair, pulling his head back until he gasped in pain.

"Ahhh--" he flinched. My blood was pounding. He wiggled underneath me.

I gritted my teeth and pressed my crotch into his ass. First slow, then with more definite thrusts, as if fucking him front behind. He moaned.

"You like that," I leaned down and whispered, keeping the tempo strong.

"Uhhhh..." he hesitated.

"Admit it," I snapped, reaching down and feeling the bulge in his pants.

"I do -- "he gasped and I thrust harder. "But I don't think I'd like it -- for real..."

"I haven't asked you to do it for real," I hissed into his ear. "Yet."

He moaned and laughed. It was the kind of laugh that spoke simply to me. It said, "That's funny, but I still wouldn't do it."

It would have to be roleplayed.

***

After teasing him with the dildo a little bit I decided to let him go, I was tired and just wanted to cuddle. I slid up onto the rack next to him and laid against his chest. He was stroking my hair.

"Thank you," I told him. "I enjoyed that...I liked it a lot."

He kissed the top of my head. "Me too."

"Are you ok?" I asked him, looking into his eyes.

He nodded, smiling.

"Was the dildo ok?" I asked him. Making him suck it wasn't something he said I couldn't do - but he never said I could either.

"It was fine."

"On a scale from one to ten, how bad was it?"

"It was about an 8"

"Wow, an 8, really?"

"Yeah but it was also kinda hot, in a humiliating way."

I thought for a second. "So on the hot scale..?"

"About a 6," he answered.

I pondered the numbers. Would a 10 on the badscale be considered a red, or a yellow? Or is an 8 an orange? I decided to keep quiet, and just listen to him breathe.

***

When I took the handcuffs off him, he lifted his wrists with a pout. They looked a bit red. I took them into my hands and started rubbing them. "Ouch," I said, "You were leaning down into them pretty hard. I felt over there a few times and it seemed ok, this must have just happened."

"Yeah, about five minutes ago when you were leaning down on me." he said. "Its not as bad as it looks actually."

"Tell me if that stuff happens," I told him, kissing the light red mark. "So I can fix it. Intentional pain is hot. Unintentional pain is not."

He chuckled, looking at me, laying still beneath me.

"Sorry about the clamps," I told him. "I didn't know if they would be too much."

"It's ok," he said. "You took them off just in time. Those things were pretty nasty."

I kissed each of his nipples. "I could tell it was making you hurt more than it was making you submissive, so it defeated the purpose."

He nodded.

"But the handcuffs made you feel pretty helpless, didn't they?"

"Oh yeah," he nodded into my hair. "I've never felt like that before."

There was a silence. I slid closer. "Scary feelings, bad feelings?"

He thought for a moment. "Hmmm...not bad. Just...weird." He shuddered and pulled me a little closer. "Vulnerable. Like I needed you real bad."

I Mmmmd. "I love that feeling. That's a wonderful connection. Being the person that can save you, and having you know that."

"Yeah," he agreed. "I felt like..I was scared of you, but also trusted you. I wanted to make you happy, no matter what. And the no-matter-what scared me."

"Do you remember the word?" I asked him.

"The word?" he looked curious.

"The word to make me stop."

"Oh yeah," he nodded. "Reindeer."

"Did you think of using it?" I asked him, "At any point?"

"Not really," he shrugged. "Maybe if those clamps had stayed on."

"Don't ever be afraid to use it. Don't think it upsets me, or means you have done wrong or failed. If anything, it gives me the ability to be free, because I trust that you will back me off if I go into a bad area."

"That makes sense."

I held him a little tighter, closing my eyes. "I try to read what's going on, try to use my own instincts, but sometimes I get really into it and want to let loose, and that word is the only thing that gives me freedom to do that."

He hesitated a little. "Like weird shit...blood and stuff? Do you brand people or do piercings?"

I chuckled. "No, not blood or piercings. Just more pain, more helplessness. It just depends."

"Scary." he commented.

I looked up into his eyes. "So I scare you?"

He smiled. "Yeah you do. But I like it."

***

We aftercared for a little bit, talking about the scene and what worked and didn't work. After rating things on different scales it became hard to remember what was what, but the overall feeling was good, and that was what mattered.

"So should I call you Mistress now?" he asked, smiling and kissing my hand.

I chuckled. "If I feel like it, I will tell you. Otherwise, just treat me normal. Do you want something to eat?"

"Ok Mis -- sure, Akasha," he smiled.

When we were eating he asked me, "So how many have you collared?" I thought about it. "You mean do I have collared now, or collared in the past?"

"Right now," he asked.

"I have a female slave, and a regular partner I see. Some casual partners that I see very infrequently."

"If you require another," he smiled bashfully, "I am, of course, at your service."

I took his phone number, we hugged, and I never saw him again.

***

I was hugging him goodbye at the outside of my car, shivering a little because I was cold. "Do you want me to drive you to your car?" I asked him.

"No, that's ok, the walk will do me some good," he smiled. "Can I ask if you do this with a lot of people?"

The question was sudden and caught me off guard. "Uhm, sort of. I enjoy it a lot, so I do it regularly - but usually with just a few people that I know. When I do it with strangers, it's kind of light, like what we did. Since I'm not into casual sex..."

"Understood," he nodded, running a hand through his hair.

"I enjoyed it with you," I smiled. "You're very responsive. I like that."

He lowered his head a little. "Thanks."

I wrapped my arms around him.

"I don't know how much of it I could take," he whispered into my ear. "Since I'm kind of a lightweight..but I'd be willing to give it a try."

"Give me your phone number," I ordered.

He did. We've been together ever since.




LadyConstanze -> RE: I'd like to get subs' takes on this writing. (3/10/2014 1:44:26 PM)

There is nothing wrong with role playing, but in general if you're getting into a scene and even without role playing, it's a bit of "Oh no" while not meaning the other to stop, I can see how things could get confusing.

I had some guys safe word on me and stuff wasn't even that heavy duty, but there were some triggers pressed, sometimes they didn't even know the triggers existed, just something that reminded them or brought back memories, took them ages to articulate what was going on, BDSM attracts us because it does trigger strong reactions, now sexual arousal, all sorts of different emotions, additionally trying to phrase it so the other party doesn't get upset, it can be a bit of an overload for the person who's going through the emotional shitstorm...

Whatever works for a people, I wouldn't say that using a safeword is not honest and clear communication, but I also wouldn't ever rely on just the safeword and as long as subbie doesn't safeword out, I can go on...




kalikshama -> RE: I'd like to get subs' takes on this writing. (3/10/2014 2:00:21 PM)

AAkasha, that was hot!




lilcracker -> RE: I'd like to get subs' takes on this writing. (3/10/2014 5:39:31 PM)

quote:

If as you say your Dominant knows you that well wouldn't it be better to stop whatever before you go to far and risk either your well being or your Dominants well being? Think about this if you refused to use a safeword or stop play and were injured how do you think your Dominant would feel? is that fair to them to possibly risk their emotional well being out of your fear of failure?

Where did anyone say they wouldn't stop it or risk their well being? I don't use a safeword...if it hurts...I will tell him and again by the tone of my voice and the way my body reacts he will know that I need him to stop. There is a huge difference in my tone of voice in, "it hurts," (and I am digging it) or it's hurt! (and I can't stand it) and because he can tell by my body movements whether I am liking it or hating it...it would come in handy if I were into the whole gag thing or because for some reason I could not find my voice because at times my head space is so deep all I can bring forth is a moan and during those times...I probably could not even utter a safeword even if I had one. At those times he needs to be focused, checking on me and being aware of how I am reacting and call it because maybe I can't call it. So for me...it's not a refusal to somehow prove I can take more than someone else or to make myself appear more pleasing to him...it's just I feel they are not fool proof....if the top respects them...fine but what if he is waiting for a safeword and never notices his submissive passed out....or he is waiting for a safeword that she is unable to say it. In that case I am glad he knows me well and feel it's better and safer that he does.




shadowborn61 -> RE: I'd like to get subs' takes on this writing. (3/10/2014 6:43:48 PM)

I didn't go back through and re read all of this thread but i know i read where someone had posted they feel as if they had failed if they used a safeword that is what the post you quoted was aimed at and i stand by what i said.
To me no matter if you take all the responsibility for any injury you might sustain due to not wanting to fail you are still taking a risk with your partners well being. You can tell them til you are blue in the face that it is all your fault and they may still feel guilty for causing the injury or overstepping a limit.
I really do envy those who have said that they know their sub or that their Dominant knows them well enough to play without a safeword but until i meet the one like that i am meant for then if i play i will use a safeword that is agreed on before we start.
We are all of us different and what works for one will not work for everyone.




lilcracker -> RE: I'd like to get subs' takes on this writing. (3/11/2014 4:56:14 AM)

I just think the Dom would feel worse if (s)he was depending on that safe word to be called and cause injury because the sub could not call it. I am not downing the whole idea of using a safeword....I AM downing depending on it.




rockspider -> RE: I'd like to get subs' takes on this writing. (3/11/2014 5:03:49 AM)

I do think safe words are absolute essential, especially for the kind of role-play I have enjoyed a lot.
My very first kinky experience was with a woman very much my senior. The roles we did a lot was that she would act the little sweet innocent but loving girl, and me the rather cold and forceful male who she would irritate until I got angry with her and punish/force her to do things. Under this part of the scene she would apologize and beg me to stop while I just would carry on and abuse her with very foul language. The worse it was, the hornier she got.
At the very first encounter she stood in front of me in very sexy lingerie and she was like messing that she was afraid I would spank her and rape her and a whole lot more. Of course as the inexperienced young gentleman I was, I tried to assure her I wasn’t going to do any of those things to her.
Well after a while of this quite strange stuff, she sat down next to me and told me what it really was, she liked and the rules of engagement, including a safe word. That was the first time I saw a real mega orgasm in a woman and it really got the ball rolling. Even I must say it took quite a while before we got the act together.




FrostedFlake -> RE: I'd like to get subs' takes on this writing. (3/11/2014 5:48:48 AM)

Ride in a car. Wear a belt. Get in a boat. There better be a life something for you. Go firefighting. Fireproof pants. Apiology. Net hat. Sander. Dust mask & goggles. 357. Ear plugs. Library book. Recycled plastic grocery bag. Bike. Helmet, sunglass, gloves, decent shoes and a lock.

We all do things that can go horribly, horribly wrong. Some of us do them everyday. But these things usually go well, because we take precautions.

I found the piece oddly obvious. I look forward to the companion piece, written from the sub perspective. Possibly titled, "Thanks for spanking. At least, up until ten minutes ago..."




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