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Attacks on Americans - 3/7/2014 7:15:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		I haven't understood the disconnect between the America I was taught to love as a child and the America I find myself living in now.

The Bush coup. The wars. The subsidizing of Wall Street.
Medical problems can cause joblessness, homelessness and death.
The food supply is tainted (genetically modified) in such a way as to addict consumers, cause disease and death. It changes our DNA.
Our electricity providers using Smart Meters are doubling our bills and blasting us with up to 20,000 bursts of radioactivity per hour and are actually setting homes on fire.
Gas prices so high that a nation changed its travel habits due to poverty. The government shuts down and "they" still get paid, but our soldiers don't. The marketing of madness has changed the brains of children and adults alike through prescribing drugs as if "side effects" means anything different than "effects."
The U.S. is inferior to 40 other countries in the rate of maternal mortality (women dying of childbirth or of avoidable, post-childbirth complications). Dare I mention the education of our future leaders?
Churches abuse congregations and spew fear and hate.
And, where are the voters? The ones who can get past the police blocks at polling station feeder roads. Oh, and active soldiers... trash those votes, right Bush?
What the F happened to the Bill of Rights? (Yes, I know... Patriot Act.)
Torture? Really? Are we "that" guy/girl?
Oh, and the commercialization of privacy. Say, "cheese" for the cameras and audio recorders. Type carefully for ALL of the readers.
How many Americans need to be imprisoned?

Sadly, I could keep going with this list. The thing is, I remember becoming politically aware at age 12. I watched Nixon and the Vietnam War news and Phil Donahue (the voice of tv daytime talk). So, between Watergate, the Pentagon Papers and the rise of Scarface culture, I had no illusions about our perfection or altruistic nature. This was soon followed by AIDS and the attempt on Reagan. It's never been simple or easy.

But, if I had to sum up America in very recent years, I'd say that the Horatio Alger myths have been smashed to smithereens. There is no more "American Dream." (Horatio is a fictional character who represents the myth that if you just work hard enough and behave as a decent citizen, then you can make your dreams come true - it's America!) It's more like Nathaniel West's novella, "The Dismantling of Lemuel Pitkin" has come to fruition. (The good American son takes advice from a bank, sets out to find his fortune and ends up in physical and mental pieces, and dies. Even in death, his memory is used in service of the mythology of the American Dream.)

I wonder, in perhaps inflammatory terms, if this is a takeover, an annihilation of sorts, that we don't see because we are in it. Maybe historians would know this, but it seems to me that what is going on with the middle and lower classes of American is much like what went on pre-Holocaust. We question how the "regular folk" in Germany did not sense the malice; the pending destruction. Americans are sick and dying, struggling and suffering - because of the things I listed here. Are we focused elsewhere and not noticing the massive numbers of slow deaths?

A populous dying of a caustic and toxic environment is one way to weed out those pesky future social security and medicare bills. Seriously, I know I risk coming off like a conspiracy freak but does anyone else see what I mean? It's as if we are worker ants whose only value is derived from our ability to make the rich richer.

Your thoughts?

ETA - description of Horatio Alger reference

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 3/7/2014 8:27:11 AM   
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RE: Attacks on Americans - 3/7/2014 8:42:40 AM   
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RE: Attacks on Americans - 3/7/2014 9:08:41 AM   
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I really am hoping that non-Americans will say if they are aware of these things that are destroying the U.S.. You know, from a distance, what is seen?

I think most Americans are struggling too hard to survive to have time for political matters. But, increasingly obvious is the saying, "The personal IS political."

I genuinely question this compilation of facts. What does the big picture mean? What is going on? How can it be turned around?

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 3/7/2014 1:29:44 PM   
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... It's as if we are worker ants whose only value is derived from our ability to make the rich richer.


If you look at the census data will may discover that even the so-called prosperous are poor. There is almost no one who is wealthy. All the wages are slave wages. There is no middle ground. Either you are a slave or you are wealthy. That is what the data says. Are we a bunch of worker ants? The short answer is yes. This implies that we are living in a communist state except that in this communist state there are no benefits.

pre-Holocaust? Perhaps for the following reason: If the goal is to kill us, suffering is an inefficient means to kill someone. Did the ancient Egyptians want to kill Israelites or was it their innocent intention to simply use them?

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 3/7/2014 1:56:19 PM   
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... It's as if we are worker ants whose only value is derived from our ability to make the rich richer.


If you look at the census data will may discover that even the so-called prosperous are poor. There is almost no one who is wealthy. All the wages are slave wages. There is no middle ground. Either you are a slave or you are wealthy. That is what the data says. Are we a bunch of worker ants? The short answer is yes. This implies that we are living in a communist state except that in this communist state there are no benefits.

pre-Holocaust? Perhaps for the following reason: If the goal is to kill us, suffering is an inefficient means to kill someone. Did the ancient Egyptians want to kill Israelites or was it their innocent intention to simply use them?


My solution is as thus. The wealthy are so few in number it is best for us to consider them an endangered species. In response we need to do three things.

(1) We either need to abolish the income tax and replace it either with a flat tax or a national sales tax.

(2) We must raise the minimum wage.

(3) We need to start providing ourselves with benefits because when you need money most it is scarce and when you need it least you have abundance.

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 3/7/2014 1:58:00 PM   
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RE: Attacks on Americans - 3/7/2014 2:03:50 PM   
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Gas prices so high that a nation changed its travel habits due to poverty.


you actually have very low gas price in europe the average gasoline price is $8 per us gallon

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 3/7/2014 2:06:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		What I am saying is that the assault on the wealthy is an intellectual trap. We the slaves need to start taking responsibility. We need to be kind to our fellow man. It is not the sole responsibility of the rich to be generous.

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 3/7/2014 2:15:26 PM   
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Gas prices so high that a nation changed its travel habits due to poverty.


you actually have very low gas price in europe the average gasoline price is $8 per us gallon

yeah,but you guys got better public transportation and don't really on cars nearly as much,for instance,my mah has got to drive 40 miles just to get to work(80 mile round trip)and alot of veterans in the area have to go to hospitals hundreds of miles away for check ups that are covered by their insurance ect.

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 3/7/2014 2:40:59 PM   
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What I am saying is that the assault on the wealthy is an intellectual trap. We the slaves need to start taking responsibility. We need to be kind to our fellow man. It is not the sole responsibility of the rich to be generous.


I very much agree with this line of thinking.

I would also add that what we need is some New Deal type restructuring that is designed to redistribute the pie. Unfortunately we don't have politicians brave enough to go there. FDR was considered a traitor to his class for standing up for the middle and lower classes. We need some true leadership and not just people who want to line their own pockets.

If we continue to ignore what is happening to average Americans this country will go the way of Venezuela or Cuba. People need to understand that redistributive policies are not communism. But if we constantly insist on low taxes, no redistributive policies, gutting education, etc. we will actually end up with communism. Why? Because the people can only be held down so long. When the 80% decide to go after the 20% at the top, I wish the 20% good luck. The thing is the 80% can go after the 20% with policy, or go after the 20% with revolution. Changing policy to redistribute the pie will result in a more sustainable situation for us. Revolution almost guarantees dysfunction and poverty. We still have options open to us. But we have to be willing to reimagine the set-up. If FDR did it, so can we.

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 3/7/2014 3:14:41 PM   
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... It's as if we are worker ants whose only value is derived from our ability to make the rich richer.


If you look at the census data will may discover that even the so-called prosperous are poor. There is almost no one who is wealthy. All the wages are slave wages. There is no middle ground. Either you are a slave or you are wealthy. That is what the data says. Are we a bunch of worker ants? The short answer is yes. This implies that we are living in a communist state except that in this communist state there are no benefits.

pre-Holocaust? Perhaps for the following reason: If the goal is to kill us, suffering is an inefficient means to kill someone. Did the ancient Egyptians want to kill Israelites or was it their innocent intention to simply use them?


My solution is as thus. The wealthy are so few in number it is best for us to consider them an endangered species. In response we need to do three things.

(1) We either need to abolish the income tax and replace it either with a flat tax or a national sales tax.

(2) We must raise the minimum wage.

(3) We need to start providing ourselves with benefits because when you need money most it is scarce and when you need it least you have abundance.

Abolishing the income tax or a flat tax does no good and in fact lowers the tax on the 5%ers. Congress will still have no problem spending. A national sales tax is ok but only on higher priced items or it is a regressive tax hitting the poor even more. Our tax code is flat out immoral prima facie.

Once money became protected free speech [sic] and the corporation a person with constitutional rights beyond property...society at large is fucked.

Americans need to take to the streets but are lazy and distracted by all manor of propaganda and media 'entertainment.'

Oh and raising the min. wage is a very logical thing to do because it increases dollar-velocity...more money in more hands and would improve the economy...it always has. What the opponents tell you about inflation and job loss has never occurred and is nothing more than self-serving unmitigated bullshit.

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 3/7/2014 3:26:46 PM   
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... It's as if we are worker ants whose only value is derived from our ability to make the rich richer.

If you look at the census data will may discover that even the so-called prosperous are poor. There is almost no one who is wealthy. All the wages are slave wages. There is no middle ground. Either you are a slave or you are wealthy. That is what the data says. Are we a bunch of worker ants? The short answer is yes. This implies that we are living in a communist state except that in this communist state there are no benefits.

pre-Holocaust? Perhaps for the following reason: If the goal is to kill us, suffering is an inefficient means to kill someone. Did the ancient Egyptians want to kill Israelites or was it their innocent intention to simply use them?

My solution is as thus. The wealthy are so few in number it is best for us to consider them an endangered species. In response we need to do three things.

(1) We either need to abolish the income tax and replace it either with a flat tax or a national sales tax.

(2) We must raise the minimum wage.

(3) We need to start providing ourselves with benefits because when you need money most it is scarce and when you need it least you have abundance.


The first two ideas really do not work in the country's favor. The income tax at current while complicated and complex, works for America. A flat tax scheme (which there are about twenty seven variations right now) has NEVER been shown to handle the complicated and numerous instances in which Americans find themselves in. The idea of flat tax is to make things simple on people that have allowed themselves to be dumbed down over the decades. In every variation I've seen/read/heard about, they do not handle the current US Budget by even half its current amount. In effect, the budget is cut in half and pushes the current economy (which is just above a recession) into a full on economic depression. I've asked the question many times in the last two years: How much does a $100 Billion in US Government money buy/maintain in US Jobs (both in public and private sectors) directly and 'down stream' jobs? The answer as you might imagine, is very in-depth and complex. But I can say dropping the current budget in half would be suicide for this nation.

That, and when the very rich are pushing for the flat tax laws, one should ask....what do they gain from it? Obviously, they become richer. Why? Well, that's for a pair of classes in economics at the college level to explain in-depth (macro and micro).

Raising the minimum wage is attractive to people, since there is a general feel of 'lost ground' due to events in America. That a family of four with two wage earners making minimum wage at 40 hours/week are STILL needing many government programs (that we, the taxpayers are paying for) just to make ends meet. The majority of these Americans are not junkies, screwballs, or those 'gaming the system'. They are good natured, hard working, individuals that want their community and nation to prosper. They have little to no actual power or influence to change their circumstances. So the raising of the wage would be a 'get even' with companies that keep obtaining 'record net profits' by keeping wages low. My view on this is, that companies take the short period of decreased profits while increasing their worker's pay and/or hiring more workers. Long term, they would not only regain the ground lost in those profits not taken, but acquire higher levels of profits. There exists heaps of financial and economic history that shows this to be correct. When companies piss off Americans, Americans will simply use government to 'get even'. So really, companies stand to benefit from doing things on their own rather than being forced to do them. For example, Wal-Mart, the largest retailer on the planet, ups its pay of worker to $13.5/hour and hires more workers (in the US), would stand to benefit from such a move. When it does, others would likely follow suit.

There already exists quite a number of benefits (for your third point) already. Problem is that most Americans do not know how to take advantage of them. So there are literally tens of billions of dollars set aside by the US Government to handle a level of Americas that never gets accessed. Much of that is due to ignorance on the part of the citizens themselves. For example one such government program that has been in the news is the Affordable Care Act. Yet the number of Americans that understand the program is extremely small. An those that understand it, and in favor of the idea that it helps others Americans out, REALLY, want improvements made. Just like many other government like programs.

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 3/7/2014 3:29:06 PM   
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Gas prices so high that a nation changed its travel habits due to poverty.


you actually have very low gas price in europe the average gasoline price is $8 per us gallon

Actually gas 'costs' more in the US. Most of that $8 is taxes to discourage its use. Thus Europe expanded its mass transportation while the rent-seeking capitalists bought and tore ours down. Can't sell tires, oil and cars if we had all of those trolleys back.

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 3/7/2014 4:10:01 PM   
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That may be a while.

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 3/7/2014 4:14:15 PM   
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RE: Attacks on Americans - 3/7/2014 4:22:24 PM   
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Where the fuck is gasoline $8 per gallon? Not in this America; here, on earth.






Europe pays by the liter. The same Euro price would be $8/US gallon.


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RE: Attacks on Americans - 3/7/2014 8:39:00 PM   
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Where the fuck is gasoline $8 per gallon? Not in this America; here, on earth.


I puzzled over that too at first. Here's what I think the post meant to say:

You actually have very low gas prices [in America]. In Europe, the average gasoline price is $8 per U.S. gallon.

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RE: Attacks on Americans - 3/7/2014 9:14:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, gas prices in the UK were almost triple the amount of U.S. gas prices when I lived there in the 80's, but here's the thing... sterling pounds were almost double the value of American dollars then. So, the equation isn't really clear, you see.

Consider that U.S. cars are less fuel efficient than most cars driven in the world now. It's also a culture that requires a lot of people to relocate and/or travel. Lots of walking goes on in Europe.

Taken in a larger context, the general cost of living makes the gasoline budget shrink. You see, in every other developed country, people don't have to choose between getting to work, getting the kids to school or paying a medical bill or paying for a prescription.

With each of the "attacks" I've listed here, there are factors surrounding the problems that when combined, are causing American deaths. I think there are so many "causes," that it may be difficult to see.



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Gas prices so high that a nation changed its travel habits due to poverty.


you actually have very low gas price in europe the average gasoline price is $8 per us gallon



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RE: Attacks on Americans - 3/7/2014 9:22:15 PM   
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Once money became protected free speech [sic] and the corporation a person with constitutional rights beyond property...society at large is fucked.

Please expand on this point, MrRodgers. ^^^ It went over my head and I want to understand.

Americans need to take to the streets but are lazy and distracted by all manor of propaganda and media 'entertainment.'

I thought the same thing when the Bush coup went down here in Florida. I asked my kids who were in their college and military service years, "Why aren't you all storming the campuses?" They said, "We are. We do it online, now." Which is how President Obama says he managed his presidential campaign. So, that's harder to see, but effective, at least for the election.





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