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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/20/2014 6:35:46 AM   
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Balancing society laws and divine laws can be quite difficult.


Your not supposed to be able to that's the whole point. The reason there are so many rules in extremest religions and cults which are completely untenable in the larger society is to make sure that adherents of said religious group can't function in the larger society. This social isolation gives the religions leadership an ungodly amount of control over your lives. I expect it's quite the power trip.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/20/2014 6:49:25 AM   
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My thoughts are that a personal relationship with God is an absolute individual journey. One may be part of a congregation, who believe as a whole, basically the same things, but there might be slight difference in interpretations of scripture.


There's functional MRI research which demonstrates that you're just talking to yourself. Your god isn't in favor of compromise because you're an extremest. When many others "commune with god" they find he is in favor of compromise because they are not.

"God" is really just you which is why god shares all your prejudices. That's why your god wants you to oppress gays and the gods of many others think that's awful.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/20/2014 7:10:04 AM   
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I thought I might be hearing from you.

Lucky guess, that's not prophecy, just a pattern I do notice. I have no power trip as you see it. I am no threat to you, NONE. I am not in a position of power in the least. The only threat I am to you is I am unwilling to compromise laws not from man but from God.
You merely do not like that I follow God. If you were starving Id feed you. If you spit on me I would still feed you. Just an example. In return, I don't think you would do the same for me. THe difference in having the heart and mind of Christ, mimicking. Call me what you will, its not the first time in history this happens. This is how the world operates.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/20/2014 7:38:47 AM   
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"God" is really just you which is why god shares all your prejudices.


You may have a point here because righteousness does not have a pure other worldly character. I, however, feel you are exaggerating the persuasive power of our arguments. You clearly have an ax to grind. I too have an ax to grind at times, but I try to be fair.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/20/2014 7:43:49 AM   
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If you were starving Id feed you.


Are you saying you prefer GotSteel over me?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/20/2014 9:13:52 AM   
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For me the only way to understand is to be submissive to the word then I begin to gain knowledge. I will not say I know Gods mind. One can think they know a person 25 years but you really never know all. I won't pretend to know something that magnificent. It's not robotic sometimes it's very exciting. But with all things it's not always lightening bolts.

You say you are 'submissive to the word' and from it you 'gain knowledge' but you are 'not robotic.' The 'word' and attaining knowledge suggest some form of communication that is mindful. I wonder how this knowledge is transmitted to you and how you sort the truth of it.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/20/2014 9:38:00 AM   
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For me the only way to understand is to be submissive to the word then I begin to gain knowledge. I will not say I know Gods mind. One can think they know a person 25 years but you really never know all. I won't pretend to know something that magnificent. It's not robotic sometimes it's very exciting. But with all things it's not always lightening bolts.

You say you are 'submissive to the word' and from it you 'gain knowledge' but you are 'not robotic.' The 'word' and attaining knowledge suggest some form of communication that is mindful. I wonder how this knowledge is transmitted to you and how you sort the truth of it.


I think what she is saying is clear. Why is it unclear to you? She follows the example of Christ. That is a form of submissiveness to the Word. My complaint is that it is not full bodied. When you walk in another's shoes it helps you gain insight and so there is knowledge gained. Can you elaborate further on how she is robotic? She subscribes to a paradigm. How does this make her robotic?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/20/2014 9:49:33 AM   
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I too have an ax to grind at times, but I try to be fair.

*laughs out loud*
"Morality and the belief in God has an intimate relationship and that relationship is not a mere correlation; it is theoretical."
"It follows that atheists are not moral actors though it is possible that they can be inadvertently through an unintentional belief in God."

I've often said that if God really is as Christianity describes then sign me up on Satan's team because I like to fight for the good guys. I'll say the same about your morality. Sign me up for the immoral team.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/20/2014 9:54:54 AM   
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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/20/2014 10:35:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Its very okay to say I am a simpleton or even imply it, whoever wants too. IT just doesn't matter to me. And No BenevolentM, I said no such thing! You know what I meant !ha. I am a warm blooded mammal who can reason, and some find me warm and caring, very non robotic, but its a matter of opinion. I have never been called a robot before, but its ironic Ive called one person that once, SO FUNNY. ITs very mindful to practice the word of God and BenevolentM is Bulleye right. I am not fully embodied. I enjoy learning about others and am interested in furthering my education in Gods name. AMEN!

Now excuse me for a moment, I need some wd-40 to get loosed.
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For me the only way to understand is to be submissive to the word then I begin to gain knowledge. I will not say I know Gods mind. One can think they know a person 25 years but you really never know all. I won't pretend to know something that magnificent. It's not robotic sometimes it's very exciting. But with all things it's not always lightening bolts.

You say you are 'submissive to the word' and from it you 'gain knowledge' but you are 'not robotic.' The 'word' and attaining knowledge suggest some form of communication that is mindful. I wonder how this knowledge is transmitted to you and how you sort the truth of it.


I think what she is saying is clear. Why is it unclear to you? She follows the example of Christ. That is a form of submissiveness to the Word. My complaint is that it is not full bodied. When you walk in another's shoes it helps you gain insight and so there is knowledge gained. Can you elaborate further on how she is robotic? She subscribes to a paradigm. How does this make her robotic?



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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/20/2014 11:27:32 AM   
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For me the only way to understand is to be submissive to the word then I begin to gain knowledge. I will not say I know Gods mind. One can think they know a person 25 years but you really never know all. I won't pretend to know something that magnificent. It's not robotic sometimes it's very exciting. But with all things it's not always lightening bolts.

You say you are 'submissive to the word' and from it you 'gain knowledge' but you are 'not robotic.' The 'word' and attaining knowledge suggest some form of communication that is mindful. I wonder how this knowledge is transmitted to you and how you sort the truth of it.

http://www.paschen.tripod.com (link will not post here)
I have said many times how it is transmitted for me, whether you agree seems to be the problem, whether you believe seems to be the problem. You don't have to be perfect, in fact none of us can be, it is a quest.
I hope you don't mind Benevolent, because this is your thread but I would like to post this.


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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/20/2014 12:01:33 PM   
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My thoughts are that a personal relationship with God is an absolute individual journey. One may be part of a congregation, who believe as a whole, basically the same things, but there might be slight difference in interpretations of scripture.


There's functional MRI research which demonstrates that you're just talking to yourself. Your god isn't in favor of compromise because you're an extremest. When many others "commune with god" they find he is in favor of compromise because they are not.

"God" is really just you which is why god shares all your prejudices. That's why your god wants you to oppress gays and the gods of many others think that's awful.



Forgive me if I have gotten the wrong impression but I thought you were an athiest. And that would mean you basically think her "god" is an imaginary friend. If this is correct how the hell are you going to know what he is or isn't in favor of? You carry on about religious idiots shoving their beliefs down people's throats and yet have no problem trying to force feed her you own.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/20/2014 12:41:31 PM   
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I have said many times how it is transmitted for me, whether you agree seems to be the problem, whether you believe seems to be the problem. You don't have to be perfect, in fact none of us can be, it is a quest.

Like GotSteel, I am intrigued as to how you 'commune' with something that hasn't been proven to even exist.
Mankind has been trying to find this elusive creature since they first invented religion.
So you appear to reinforce the fact that 'he' is only in your mind.
The problem, as I see it, is finding this magical being in the first place.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/20/2014 1:08:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am simply trying to give you understanding. I have not found something New many others already know and with a better understanding that I have. I am trying to share a priceless gift with you for not one penny. You will never know unless you try.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/20/2014 1:49:02 PM   
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I am simply trying to give you understanding. I have not found something New many others already know and with a better understanding that I have. I am trying to share a priceless gift with you for not one penny. You will never know unless you try.

What are you sharing apart from your own vision that I don't believe in and find abjectively abhorrent??

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/20/2014 4:04:03 PM   
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For me the only way to understand is to be submissive to the word then I begin to gain knowledge. I will not say I know Gods mind. One can think they know a person 25 years but you really never know all. I won't pretend to know something that magnificent. It's not robotic sometimes it's very exciting. But with all things it's not always lightening bolts.

You say you are 'submissive to the word' and from it you 'gain knowledge' but you are 'not robotic.' The 'word' and attaining knowledge suggest some form of communication that is mindful. I wonder how this knowledge is transmitted to you and how you sort the truth of it.

http://www.paschen.tripod.com (link will not post here)
I have said many times how it is transmitted for me, whether you agree seems to be the problem, whether you believe seems to be the problem. You don't have to be perfect, in fact none of us can be, it is a quest.
I hope you don't mind Benevolent, because this is your thread but I would like to post this.


Let's be clear. I never called you robotic. I asked some questions about your faith process. I have not read through the thread so I don't know the "many times" you have explained how it was transmitted to you. It is not a question of my belief or disbelief. I apologize if my questions are causing you some discomfort. I am simply curious how the message is transmitted to you for learning. I hardly meant it to be a threatening question. The process appears to be mindful, as I said, so could you please give me a short description of the source of your growth and learning in your faith?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/20/2014 4:10:07 PM   
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My conclusion is vincentML accused chatterbox24 of being a simpleton, but is using the word robotic instead of simpleton because he has an agenda.

Please show me where I accused her of being either robotic or a simpleton. I did neither. I was inquiring about a process of faith. I will accept your apology if you are man enough to give it.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/20/2014 4:26:09 PM   
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Morality and the belief in God has an intimate relationship and that relationship is not a mere correlation; it is theoretical.

Given the terrifying Laws in the Old Testament I would think "fictional" would be a more appropriate description for that relationship.

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What of the opposite? Does the mere affirmation that God exists, make Him real? The problem with atheism is that it cherry picks its data. It is only interested in the sort of data that suggests that man can play God.

The problem with the atheist is that the theist makes of him a strawman when he cannot answer in defense of the existence of god or the need for religion. When the theist makes claims for extraordinary propositions the atheist rightly demands extraordinary validation. The problem for the theist is that he cannot provide that validation and asks us to trust his faith in the miracles proclaimed. Then, realizing his arguments empty, the theist blames the atheist for asking questions.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/20/2014 4:42:59 PM   
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I enjoy learning about others and am interested in furthering my education in Gods name.


Sometimes it is what you don't learn. Have I acquired any knowledge or understanding worth having here? I believe that the idea that people have limits is useful and there is an inconvenient truth that those limits vary from individual to individual as well as with training/experience.

I mentioned earlier how the necessity to not compromise from an intellectual point of view was mysterious to me, the mechanics of how it enters into being. I suspect that the reason it is mysterious to me is because it does not stem from God. I have spent less time studying the things not of God than those things that are of God and so what I wrote makes sense.

The problem is for goodness sake, we must give a hundred and ten percent as the saying goes and at times everything we got. The necessity for this is Evil.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/20/2014 5:44:10 PM   
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My conclusion is vincentML accused chatterbox24 of being a simpleton, but is using the word robotic instead of simpleton because he has an agenda.

Please show me where I accused her of being either robotic or a simpleton. I did neither. I was inquiring about a process of faith. I will accept your apology if you are man enough to give it.


It is worth considering. It seems doubtful to me that you were wronged. It is possible that for goodness sake I should modify the language a bit and give you a measure of vindication. That I may be willing to do. I will have to review what you posted in the thread. Instead of asking for my apology it may be more profitable for you to offer clarification and discuss the matter further so that it is full bodied. Please do. You have my permission.

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