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vincentML -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/21/2014 7:55:17 AM)
quote: I misread your post. I would be glad to share. Once an Atheist doesn't mean, always an Atheist. And finding curiosity in a subject matter does not mean you are no longer atheist either, it simply means its studied. You may always be an atheist. Could there really be something to this crazy notion? I can not speak for anyone else but I can only speak for myself. Reading Old testament scarey stories for myself was not the way to start, my studies I found through trial and error, were best of studying simple words. Looking up words such as love through out the Bible, every verse or just a few depending on my time and focus level at the time. Once I began to do that it was like a small spark in my body, and the more I read the more inspired I became to find out more. Only after doing this did those stories I found terrible and deplorable start to form an understanding. That's just part of it, I use other resources. God doesn't care if your a genius or thick as a brick. I am not a scientist, I have no knowledge or studies to be one. But I can confidently say a God driven scientist, would have the upper hand to finding the cure to cancer. Not in mans speed but Gods speed. Thank you for your forthright answer, cb. I was raised Catholic and took bible studies at a Lutheran affiliated college but I subsequently found oppositional sources to read. I am happy for your comfort within your band of search. There are some scientists who attest to their belief in Jesus as their personal savior. About 7% of the members of the American Academy of Sciences. They have not helped speed the cures for cancers however. The greater question is why does a merciful god inflict mankind with such agony? He subjects even innocent children with dread disease and suffering. Makes me doubt his beneficence. Do you wonder about that?

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/21/2014 8:23:33 AM)
Okay Mister Benevolent, you just might be on to something here. [:D] Saint Mother Theodore Guerin I had the honor of assisting an elderly nun, one of many, but this nun took a special liking to me. A past Mother Superior. I took my breaks with her when I had time, and sometimes SHE INSISTED I had time. [:D] We would eat ice cream with gobs of chocolate syrup (all sugar free) and she would tell me mystical stories as I sat perched like a bird ready to take flight on the edge of desk chair, in fascination with her personal stories. Eyes wide like a child, because it all correlated, with experiences of my own. She asked me if I would like to hold an amulet once, and I said BUT OF COURSE I DO. It was a very special time. Every time I left her quarters we giggled like school girls.

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/21/2014 8:52:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: I misread your post. I would be glad to share. Once an Atheist doesn't mean, always an Atheist. And finding curiosity in a subject matter does not mean you are no longer atheist either, it simply means its studied. You may always be an atheist. Could there really be something to this crazy notion? I can not speak for anyone else but I can only speak for myself. Reading Old testament scarey stories for myself was not the way to start, my studies I found through trial and error, were best of studying simple words. Looking up words such as love through out the Bible, every verse or just a few depending on my time and focus level at the time. Once I began to do that it was like a small spark in my body, and the more I read the more inspired I became to find out more. Only after doing this did those stories I found terrible and deplorable start to form an understanding. That's just part of it, I use other resources. God doesn't care if your a genius or thick as a brick. I am not a scientist, I have no knowledge or studies to be one. But I can confidently say a God driven scientist, would have the upper hand to finding the cure to cancer. Not in mans speed but Gods speed. Thank you for your forthright answer, cb. I was raised Catholic and took bible studies at a Lutheran affiliated college but I subsequently found oppositional sources to read. I am happy for your comfort within your band of search. There are some scientists who attest to their belief in Jesus as their personal savior. About 7% of the members of the American Academy of Sciences. They have not helped speed the cures for cancers however. The greater question is why does a merciful god inflict mankind with such agony? He subjects even innocent children with dread disease and suffering. Makes me doubt his beneficence. Do you wonder about that? I used to wonder that EVERYDAY. ......EVERYDAY. I expel it now because I used to be there but now I am here. BTW your welcome. Why, what, when, where, how all questioned that fueled my anger. I have a furious temper that has always had to be kept in check. It blocked everything for me because I am not suppose to ask those questions. It blocks my understanding. I don't have the answers, I have one simple task, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't find the answers, or peace. If you believe anything is possible then it is, if you have no belief it isn't. Everyone has special gifts, if they find them. You must find them. It is a mystery to me if I allow myself to ask the question, Why wouldn't anyone be interested in finding their calling in excellence.

GotSteel -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/21/2014 5:22:44 PM)
I think you're misunderstanding me, people have one thought process for answering questions about their own worldview and a different thought process for answering questions about someone elses worldview. An exception to this is that when theists are asked about gods worldview their brains respond as though they were asked about themselves not as though they were asked about someone else.

GotSteel -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/21/2014 6:50:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Why, what, when, where, how all questioned that fueled my anger. I have a furious temper that has always had to be kept in check. It blocked everything for me because I am not suppose to ask those questions. It blocks my understanding. When you hear atheists make comments like robot, zombie or lobotomy for Jesus it's generally this sort of damage to one's mental processes that they're talking about.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/21/2014 7:36:40 PM)
A word of caution. There is soft and there is too soft. Our Lord was soft, yet also as hard as nails and expected the same of His followers. The Devil speaks in half truths. If you accept what he says as true, he sold you a bill of goods and you went along with it. If you reject what he says as true, you will have rejected the truth.

GoddessManko -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/21/2014 7:38:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM A word of caution. There is soft and there is too soft. Our Lord was soft, yet also as hard as nails and expected the same of His followers. The Devil speaks in half truths. If you accept what he says as true, he sold you a bill of goods and you went along with it. If you reject what he says as true, you will have rejected the truth. This isn't happening, LOL

Kirata -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/21/2014 7:56:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Why, what, when, where, how all questioned that fueled my anger. I have a furious temper that has always had to be kept in check. It blocked everything for me because I am not suppose to ask those questions. It blocks my understanding. When you hear atheists make comments like robot, zombie or lobotomy for Jesus it's generally this sort of damage to one's mental processes that they're talking about. Much as it may please you to invoke damaged mental processes, those questions are unanswerable when the subject is god. Therefore, they are "unskillful" in such a context and an impediment to understanding. No matter who asks them. K.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/21/2014 8:41:41 PM)
In the service of Christ.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/21/2014 11:30:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel When you hear atheists make comments like robot, zombie or lobotomy for Jesus it's generally this sort of damage to one's mental processes that they're talking about. The Catholic Church tries to address this problem by creating a ruling elite which the Protestants don't have. The Church will insist that the brain dead stuff needs to be benign, otherwise the Church will drop its hammer. People who are dysfunctional will not miraculously cease to be dysfunctional if they turn atheist. Your complaint against Christianity seems not to be that it causes damage, but it corrals the zombies in your direction.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/22/2014 12:17:25 AM)
What I wrote begs a question, Does the atheist community have its share of zombies as well? Do atheists score better in College Calculus? I didn't realize that your religious affiliation mattered.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/22/2014 12:29:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM People who are dysfunctional will not miraculously cease to be dysfunctional if they turn atheist. Your complaint against Christianity seems not to be that it causes damage, but it corrals the zombies in your direction. Sounds like a border dispute, but I reckon that the problem you are having is with Protestants, not Catholics.

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/22/2014 5:09:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel I think you're misunderstanding me, people have one thought process for answering questions about their own worldview and a different thought process for answering questions about someone elses worldview. An exception to this is that when theists are asked about gods worldview their brains respond as though they were asked about themselves not as though they were asked about someone else. I think that is called an egomaniac. They do not question in the process of thought, because only they know the answer? I understand they feel complete confidence they are right. Do you think your right even when your wrong? Or do you have a hard time admitting wrong at anytime? Or do you feel you are never wrong? I ask you this not to be a smarty pants, but I am genuinely interested. How does that work being the only authority? Its beyond me in understanding, because I have a pyramid of thought.

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/22/2014 5:37:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Why, what, when, where, how all questioned that fueled my anger. I have a furious temper that has always had to be kept in check. It blocked everything for me because I am not suppose to ask those questions. It blocks my understanding. When you hear atheists make comments like robot, zombie or lobotomy for Jesus it's generally this sort of damage to one's mental processes that they're talking about. It is a blessing to be lobotomized by Jesus. Extreme anger is a dysfunction of mental capacity. Being cruel is also a dysfunction of mental capacity. Lashing out and not thinking of the true implications of ones actions on others is also a dysfunction of mental capacity. All of those were my dysfunction. Im sure I have others that need worked on, but basically those were the biggies!!!! Through my practice I am being healed. I am not the least bit embarrassed to admit those things. I take responsibility for it, through the mercy of Gods love. I didn't even deserve it. Our actions can cause an avalanche. In example, two skiers decide to go skiing although bad weather is warned. They get all kinds of small signs its best not to go, but they go anyway. The weather turns out great, the forecast is wrong, and they laugh as if they are conquerers. As they ski down the mountain, a sonic boom takes place, causing an avalanche and both skiers are killed. Although you think I have been lobotomized, I also have received a heightened sense in other ways. That doesn't mean the same cant happen to me, it can. On the other hand too, some things are worth fighting for, so it can be a choice. On another thread, I saw a picture, it disgusted me. It made me realize just how desensitized people are, and how unaware of how actions can cause can avalanche of events. Granted it was about a misdirected man who I dare to call a NUT CASE but still it was horrible to me that people could act like this and it weighed heavy on my heart. In my mind I said God let me do something good for someone please, and the phone rang and that's exactly what I did.

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/22/2014 6:16:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: chatterbox24 Why, what, when, where, how all questioned that fueled my anger. I have a furious temper that has always had to be kept in check. It blocked everything for me because I am not suppose to ask those questions. It blocks my understanding. When you hear atheists make comments like robot, zombie or lobotomy for Jesus it's generally this sort of damage to one's mental processes that they're talking about. Much as it may please you to invoke damaged mental processes, those questions are unanswerable when the subject is god. Therefore, they are "unskillful" in such a context and an impediment to understanding. No matter who asks them. K. Good to see you post Kirata.[:D][:D]

chatterbox24 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/22/2014 6:21:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM People who are dysfunctional will not miraculously cease to be dysfunctional if they turn atheist. Your complaint against Christianity seems not to be that it causes damage, but it corrals the zombies in your direction. Sounds like a border dispute, but I reckon that the problem you are having is with Protestants, not Catholics. SO how am I doing here BenevolentM? Going Protestant overboard? Tell me I can take it Catholic. LOL.

Owner59 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/22/2014 6:36:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel When you hear atheists make comments like robot, zombie or lobotomy for Jesus it's generally this sort of damage to one's mental processes that they're talking about. The Catholic Church tries to address this problem by creating a ruling elite which the Protestants don't have. The Church will insist that the brain dead stuff needs to be benign, otherwise the Church will drop its hammer. People who are dysfunctional will not miraculously cease to be dysfunctional if they turn atheist. Your complaint against Christianity seems not to be that it causes damage, but it corrals the zombies in your direction. And it`s a god dammed fact that the dysfunctional will not miraculously cease to be dysfunctional if/when the get religion. Personally,I have never seen or heard an atheist "attack" or put down or juridical believers in the media. I have seen tho.....reams and reams of cry-baby Christians falsely complaining of persecution and/or attacking atheists as if they were satin it`s self.

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/22/2014 6:50:26 AM)
It is usually considered unwise to be so plain spoken. Why is that? atheists often wallow in it like pigs in mud. Perhaps my willingness to engage in such language indicates a lack of understanding in me and the Holy Spirit chooses to permit this imperfection to remain. I do not know the answer to this at this time. By referring to some people as zombies can through individual occurrences or collectively create a spiritual vulnerability. Is the Sin an emergent property like that of a product of a chemical reaction or is it an accumulation of microscopic fractures? The Church appears to take the position that it is an accumulation of microscopic fractures. Thus such things should be avoided. Awhile back I came by a forum by accident where they were talking about angelic interference. The Church prefers the term intercession, but even then I do not hear the Church speaking of angelic intercession. The Church will speak of the intercession of God or the intercession of a Saint. There are rooms in the Internet where a Christian will not usually want to find themselves in because there are demons waiting there at the door who will try to attach themselves to you. I know this from experience. One solution to the problem is to create a guard as I have just done. My initial reaction was, What's the difference? I am familiar with symbiotics. From the stand point of denotation angelic interference and angelic intercession are the same. The difference lies in the difference in connotation. In logic connotation is usually ignored and regarded as insignificant. In Catholicism on the other hand connotation is not ignored and is regarded as significant. It is clear that if you speak of people in a derogatory fashion too often you will become infected. Again, returning to Genesis, man was noble born. It is a perception that can be lost if not nurtured.

Owner59 -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/22/2014 7:24:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM It is usually considered unwise to be so plain spoken. Why is that? atheists often wallow in it like pigs in mud. Perhaps my willingness to engage in such language indicates a lack of understanding in me and the Holy Spirit chooses to permit this imperfection to remain. I do not know the answer to this at this time. By referring to some people as zombies can through individual occurrences or collectively create a spiritual vulnerability. Is the Sin an emergent property like that of a product of a chemical reaction or is it an accumulation of microscopic fractures? The Church appears to take the position that it is an accumulation of microscopic fractures. Thus such things should be avoided. Awhile back I came by a forum by accident where they were talking about angelic interference. The Church prefers the term intercession, but even then I do not hear the Church speaking of angelic intercession. The Church will speak of the intercession of God or the intercession of a Saint. There are rooms in the Internet where a Christian will not usually want to find themselves in because there are demons waiting there at the door who will try to attach themselves to you. I know this from experience. One solution to the problem is to create a guard as I have just done. My initial reaction was, What's the difference? I am familiar with symbiotics. From the stand point of denotation angelic interference and angelic intercession are the same. The difference lies in the difference in connotation. In logic connotation is usually ignored and regarded as insignificant. In Catholicism on the other hand connotation is not ignored and is regarded as significant. It is clear that if you speak of people in a derogatory fashion too often you will become infected. Again, returning to Genesis, man was noble born. It is a perception that can be lost if not nurtured. You have zero interest in civil or sincere discourse....Why the need to wank us?

BenevolentM -> RE: What good is morality anyway? (3/22/2014 7:26:27 AM)
My response has two parts. Part One This is in part what the Devil and Jesus debated. The Devil felt that it is the rule that matters, what is generally true. Jesus felt that the exceptions are what matter. This is where even atheism deviates from scientific doctrine. Even in science exceptions matter. Part Two Though full recovery is in the realm of the Miraculous, religion is called the Opiate of the Masses for a reason. It does confer benefits some of which are beyond fulfilling the role of an opiate. atheists cherry pick the data. atheists argue that if it isn't as objectively effacious as penicillin it is illegitimate. The religious do not uphold this view. The religious argue that though it is not as effacious as penicillin, the role of religion is fundamental. atheists in effect argue that gravity is an illegitimate force because in comparison to the electromagnetic force, gravity is weak.

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