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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/22/2014 5:13:20 PM

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Stated in yet another way, atheists do not take responsibility.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/22/2014 5:19:55 PM

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Objectively speaking in a contest of wits is the behavior of Tkman117 indicative of a winner or someone who has conceded that they lost?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/22/2014 5:23:09 PM

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I don't know what you mean to accomplish by attempting to insult atheists. But understand this. There are a lot of christians, me formerly being one of them, who identify as being christian but aren't actively christian. They don't think about where there morals come from, they simply comply with the social standards of the society around them. How is that any different from atheists? Many atheists are passive atheists, the same way many christians are passive christians as it doesn't make up a massive part of their every day life. They don't always go looking for ways to confirm their beliefs, because they're comfortable knowing that science essentially does confirm it. The same way many christians are comfortable thinking their beliefs are confirmed by the bible. Morality isn't any different. If you want to claim that morality extends from god, go ahead, because there's plenty of research that point towards religion, philosophies and social norms being the defining factor behind morality in various cultures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morality#cite_note-1
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/morality-definition/

Also I have not conceded that I lost anything, as I never knew we were in a competition, I'm simply dumbfounded by you're insanity is all and your inability to recognize it...

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/22/2014 5:48:05 PM

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Tkman117 if I am a crazy person, why are you attempting to reason with me? Your behavior is absurd and disingenuous.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/22/2014 6:20:29 PM

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Whip it, whip it good?..................

And who crossed out my post!!!!?

Okay then .........

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/22/2014 6:33:43 PM

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I don't suppose there is anyone in the forum who has taken political science 'cuz I'm a dummy. Review what Tkman117 wrote. Isn't it reminiscent of the Soviet era? Wasn't the former Soviet Union a playground for atheism? Did the Soviets create a paradise on Earth? Or are the people of the former Soviet Union living in an irradiated hell hole? Empirically speaking, when atheists are in charge, do they know how to do it right or what?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/22/2014 6:49:11 PM

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These people have the gall to keep it up and tell everyone else they are crazy.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/23/2014 6:42:13 AM

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Reality check, Mister B, your sounding a bit prideful and condescending.

Two stories.

One from the Bible. A man lay half dead at the side of the road. Two levites (meaning religious people) at different times, passed him, in fact they went to the opposite side of the road, as if they did, they truly didn't REALLY see him. (they were probably on their way to church) They did nothing for him. A good Samaritan passed and put the man on his horse, dressed his wounds, took him to an inn, told the inn keeper to keep him until he healed, paid for it, and said I will be back to pay more if he needs more time. He came back, he kept his word. I imagine that kind gesture took a great amount of work, wouldn't you? He took the time. Saying one is religious is nothing. ITs actions that speak. Being an example. So the good Samaritan was actually exhibiting better moral character then the self proclaimed religious.

Real life story. A black man is facing possible row for his involvement in heinous crimes. Missions visit the prison, he is allowed one book, he has lots of time on his hands, he begins to read it and read it and read it and read it and read it. There isn't a lot of hope for him. Events happen, he gets a full pardon. That was 10 years ago, in that 10 years, he has been an evangelist and dedicated his life to telling his story. Some of the church people were real critics, which was so funny, because this man was a shining example of the power of Gods word. Most attenders who listened to his testimonial and sermon were moved by his story though, which was quite incredible. He was full of goodness, passion, healing, and a magnificent example of what Christianity is and what it can do for you and others. He did not blame his family, although, he came from a terrible place with no good moral characters to influence him, he took responsibility and was healed. The only reason he read that Bible is because death was knocking, and he was in desperation. He had nothing more to believe in. That is how some find an answer, in my case, however the future didn't look that bleak.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/23/2014 8:07:01 AM

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And it`s a god dammed fact that the dysfunctional will not miraculously cease to be dysfunctional if/when the get religion.

Keep in mind that among Christian extremists it's normal to make up horrible things about themselves that they needed to be saved from, Christine O'Donnell's satanic altar for example. When these problems are imaginary products of their belief system becoming an atheist can cure them.

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I have seen tho.....reams and reams of cry-baby Christians falsely complaining of persecution and/or attacking atheists as if they were satin it`s self.

This is an interesting side effect of god being a product of the believers mind. Christians will tend to feel personally attacked when atheists apply rational skepticism to their god because their god is actually the Christian.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/23/2014 8:16:23 AM

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An exception to this is that when theists are asked about gods worldview their brains respond as though they were asked about themselves not as though they were asked about someone else.

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I think that is called an egomaniac.

Well if someone thought they were god then sure. However you don't think you're god right, you do however think you can talk to god. That's why I brought this research up, while I do think you're talking to someone this research indicates that you're not talking to someone other than yourself.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/23/2014 8:34:21 AM

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An exception to this is that when theists are asked about gods worldview their brains respond as though they were asked about themselves not as though they were asked about someone else.

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I think that is called an egomaniac.

Well if someone thought they were god then sure. However you don't think you're god right, you do however think you can talk to god. That's why I brought this research up, while I do think you're talking to someone this research indicates that you're not talking to someone other than yourself.

Ha! WEEEE-dicuous! That would make me a true coo coo clock for sure. Of course I don't think I am God.

I am not hearing voices (very rare anyway)

Yes it is me talking to me, but through guidance of my subconscious which is fueled by Gods word. IT goes very deep with true belief.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/23/2014 12:55:36 PM

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It is unlikely I will conform to any stereotype given the instructions given to me by the Virgin Mary many years ago.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sermon_on_the_Mount

The last verse of chapter 5 is considered to be a focal point that summarizes the teaching of the sermon: "be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect", advising his disciples and followers to seek the path towards perfection and the Kingdom of God.

What is the difference between an Atheist who realizes the existence of God intuitively, but does not yet realize it consciously and one who can give lip service? In theory the one who can give lip service has achieved a greater measure of perfection.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/23/2014 12:59:13 PM

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Tkman117 if I am a crazy person, why are you attempting to reason with me? Your behavior is absurd and disingenuous.

Lol, well partly because it's hilarious to watch you ramble. And also to provide you with some perspective in the hope that you snap out of it. The world doesn't revolve around you or what you think, was just hoping to remind you of that

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/23/2014 2:03:37 PM

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As my vocation is concerned God has made it clear that I am not called to be overly concerned with whether or not I may misstep. I have not been called to be timid, but this is my vocation and not yours, however. As my capacity to err is concerned the message that was given to me by Our Holy Mother was Live and Learn. I had hoped for something more reassuring.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/23/2014 2:09:31 PM

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... The world doesn't revolve around you or what you think, was just hoping to remind you of that

I kinda does. I've made some bold statements such as I've decoded the Bible. It implies that I have the Spear of Destiny in my possession.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/23/2014 2:16:04 PM

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...not sure if your trolling or if you're going back into the crazy phase again...

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/23/2014 3:00:12 PM

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...not sure if your trolling or if you're going back into the crazy phase again...

As of that last post I gotta go with "masterfully played troll"

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/23/2014 3:01:03 PM

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Ill say

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/23/2014 3:51:00 PM

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