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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/27/2014 1:48:05 AM

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You do not do it because you are a dog.

You cannot say I affirm the nobility of mankind without pride.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/27/2014 1:56:33 AM

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This is what you are doing in every act of true goodness. Sometimes it can get fuzzy. This is why the qualification true is necessary. True goodness requires Grace. You must be in a state of Grace.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/27/2014 2:08:12 AM

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You can affirm the nobility of mankind depending on circumstances by bending your knee or by refusing to do so.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/27/2014 3:03:22 AM

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Doesn't make sense as in counter-intuitive.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/27/2014 8:17:34 AM

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Wahhhh-hooooo

BOOM.

signed, the lesser Professor

ha. Mission accomplished.
Positively one of the cutest films, I have ever seen. I have no idea how I missed it. Thank you BenevolentM.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/27/2014 8:33:53 AM

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What is morality and what good is it?

Morality is probably a rationalisation of natural behaviour. There's been a lot of research into morality and if you see moral behaviour as just human behaviour, basic moral values transcend cultures from developed cultures right through to tribal cultures. In fact, tribal cultures tend to be more moralistic than developed cultures if you want to use moralistic language.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/27/2014 8:35:56 AM

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http://womeninchrist.org/wic_com/tmprate.htm

Temperance...temperance.....Temperance

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/27/2014 8:53:30 AM

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What is morality and what good is it?

Morality is probably a rationalisation of natural behaviour. There's been a lot of research into morality and if you see moral behaviour as just human behaviour, basic moral values transcend cultures from developed cultures right through to tribal cultures. In fact, tribal cultures tend to be more moralistic than developed cultures if you want to use moralistic language.

You're logic falls on deaf ears my friend, he has no interest in hearing different opinions from his own.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/27/2014 9:10:34 AM

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What is morality and what good is it?

Morality is probably a rationalisation of natural behaviour. There's been a lot of research into morality and if you see moral behaviour as just human behaviour, basic moral values transcend cultures from developed cultures right through to tribal cultures. In fact, tribal cultures tend to be more moralistic than developed cultures if you want to use moralistic language.

You're logic falls on deaf ears my friend, he has no interest in hearing different opinions from his own.

Yep. I've just read some more of the thread and see your point.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/27/2014 2:15:43 PM

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Yep. I've just read some more of the thread and see your point.

You do not speak as a lover of wisdom. You seek only to convert others and if you cannot do this you see no point. If you are a measure of the knowledge you presented, then you had nothing to say to begin with.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/27/2014 2:26:25 PM

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http://womeninchrist.org/wic_com/tmprate.htm

Temperance...temperance.....Temperance

The extent to which God has honored me indicates that these things are merely tools and not ends in themselves.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/27/2014 3:15:13 PM

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Wahhhh-hooooo

BOOM.

signed, the lesser Professor

ha. Mission accomplished.
Positively one of the cutest films, I have ever seen. I have no idea how I missed it. Thank you BenevolentM.

I'm glad you enjoyed it. Was it a Kesler boom? Babbling

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/27/2014 3:48:10 PM

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You're logic falls on deaf ears my friend, he has no interest in hearing different opinions from his own.

A big part of the problem is that he isn't so much hearing as feeling.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/27/2014 4:17:23 PM

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Or even thinking for that matter

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/27/2014 9:31:27 PM

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This is a fun song by Devo, Human Rocket. It's a guy thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZQhu1J4mtI

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http://www.metrolyrics.com/human-rocket-lyrics-devo.html

I am a human rocket
On a mission of deployment
I've been cocked and loaded
Ready for the culmination

I am a human missile
Guided by a secret agenda
That commands my every thought and deed
And wills me on my way

I am a human rocket
On a mission of redemption
I've been cocked and loaded
Primed by everything I know

I am a human missile
Guided by a secret voice
That commands my every action
And wills me on my way

There is no turning back
There are no second thoughts
First things first and all things fair
Be it love or war, they say

There is no plan named B
On the land, in the air or on the sea
This is what's supposed to be
My duty now awaits me

I am a human rocket
On a mission of instruction
I've been primed and programmed
Since the beginning of time

I am a human missile
Guided by a secret master
That commands my every motion
And wills me on my way

I've found my target
I've reached my co-ordinates
I'm set to detonate and resonate
The final poem I will create

I've made a video
It tells a story, oh
I guess it's time to go
Don't forget to rewind

I am a human rocket
On a mission of destruction
I've been locked and loaded
And ready for the confirmation

I am a human missile
Guided by a secret perfection
That commands my full conviction
And wills me on my way

Large parts of the experience
Will go by unnoticed, we are all
Distracted by the lights and sounds
Of everything and nothing

Do you remember the breath you took
When they let you off the hook
And sent you swimming away
Back into your cell?

I am a human rocket
On a mission of reduction
I've been cocked and loaded
Since the dawn of time

I am a human missile
Guided by a secret voice
That commands my every thought and deed
And wills me on my righteous way

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/27/2014 10:52:19 PM

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atheists are only interested in results. Why is the capacity to deny yourself something important? If you have a drug addiction, it is important to deny yourself. The same is true for judges and an unwillingness to accept a bribe. What is the solution the atheists inevitably come up with? Terror.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/28/2014 4:42:38 AM

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As I pointed out there is an initial boost in productivity, but the deleterious effects catch up with you. Instead of trust you have surveillance. In turn this is thought of as better. Isn't surveillance more reliable producing more uniform results than trust?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/28/2014 4:54:17 AM

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Yep. I've just read some more of the thread and see your point.

You do not speak as a lover of wisdom. You seek only to convert others and if you cannot do this you see no point. If you are a measure of the knowledge you presented, then you had nothing to say to begin with.

There is research enough for you to spend a whole year catching up on. Morals are a rationalisation of natural behaviour. We can no more throw moral behaviour overboard than survive without our heads. While one person might have deviant behaviour for many reasons that seem to illustrate moral behaviour can be discarded, the collective will protect themselves with natural behaviour which appears to be moral. It is all rationalisation. Behaviour is natural on the whole, which is why, no matter what one believes, we all tend to conform to certain behaviours and if we don't, the collective enforces those that are perceived to be dangerous to them.

We might look at NAZI Germany and say, well the collective doesn't impose moral behaviour but it does on their terms. This being the real world, there are too many variants but German collective behaviour, as in Israel now with the subjugation of the Arabs, doesn't deviate from the general norms of human behaviour. Realisation of false morality or cognitive dissonance do happen, its a form of psychological short circuiting, where a person's actions doesn't conform to their sense of morality.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/28/2014 4:59:40 AM

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How does one encourage people to voluntarily deny themselves? From a strategic standpoint isn't attempting to control our sexual urges the place to begin? Does this form of control scale well? It scales well in comparison to say dietary restrictions. Society is often heterogeneous. Isn't it interesting as control of our sexual urges is scaled back, there is a greater interest in controlling our diets?

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/28/2014 5:06:11 AM

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Wahhhh-hooooo

BOOM.

signed, the lesser Professor

ha. Mission accomplished.
Positively one of the cutest films, I have ever seen. I have no idea how I missed it. Thank you BenevolentM.

I'm glad you enjoyed it. Was it a Kesler boom? Babbling

No babbling involved, more rendered speechless. I can be quite a babbler though.

kinda like being struck by lightening, but without death.
To hell with chimp lips.

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