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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/28/2014 9:02:23 PM

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chatterbox24 as I pointed out earlier atheists wallow like pigs in mud. Is his manner rude? He is rude and you are responding to him as if he were rude. He evidently feels no obligation not to be rude. I also suspect that he wants to crawl into bed with you and he feels rejected so I suspect that is part of it.

He is talking to you as if you were a man and so it is possible he doesn't have a whole lot of experience.

atheists reject symbolic superstitions. Common courtesy could be construed as a superstition since it is emotive. atheists do not care about people though they think they care. If they cared, they would realize how difficult it is. They would be more skeptical of pollyannaish solutions. Maybe science has something to offer, but it is a religion for them.

I hope this makes you feel better.

Far out.

I'm late to the party here ... Pity, it looks like it was fun! But, sadly, it's late, I'm tired, and my pigsty awaits.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/28/2014 9:08:26 PM

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I'm late to the party here ... Pity, it looks like it was fun! But, sadly, it's late, I'm tired, and my pigsty awaits.

Here's mud in yer eye!

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/28/2014 9:25:04 PM

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I'd never actually heard that one before. Looked it up. Thanks!

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/28/2014 9:29:50 PM

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No idea if any of this is true, but it's interesting.

http://www.ask.com/question/where-does-here-s-mud-in-your-eye-come-from

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/29/2014 4:35:55 AM

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All this talk of pigs!!!

You can not make silk out of a sows ear.
http://mypurposenow.org/?p=3553

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/29/2014 4:50:27 AM

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I think you are under the impression I am being lead around blindly by others, I assure you that is not the case. I believe how I do because of loads of worldly experiences and bad decisions. I make assertions because I lived them, was taught by them, it is not based on theory. It didnt come from a book, it was lived out.

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Religion has remained active for a reason, but that reason isn't one of truth. The Asch conformity experiments are a good example of how incredibly susceptible people are to even obviously untrue beliefs on account of social pressure. This is of course why your religion looks nothing like science and is all about assertions, emotional manipulation and praising faith.

I am not aspiring to be a nun or priest, so accuse me when I say, I find you extremely hateful and have a distinct dislike for you. I don't know why you are so bitter, but it is very evident.

You're projecting. My position isn't about hate it's about research.

Furthermore notice how you can't contest the accuracy of my statement, you have to go with emotional manipulation.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/29/2014 4:54:32 AM

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That made me giggle. Heres to mud in your eye......uh hahaha

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I'm late to the party here ... Pity, it looks like it was fun! But, sadly, it's late, I'm tired, and my pigsty awaits.

Here's mud in yer eye!

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/29/2014 5:09:12 AM

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There is no witch craft. Meditate is in the bible and for me it means deep prayer. I use the word magic, which is not used once only as a descriptive word. As we discussed earlier, the word wonderment. When things fall into place after struggles and being lead, it is much like magic. It is childlike. That is my experience. Learning to find it requires practice, sincerity, and work. Love too.

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You asked me about meditation. Is it witchcraft? There is a foundation for the accusation, but you also need to realize that driving an automobile could be construed as witchcraft because it is fully within the scope of human understanding. For example the concepts of all and nothing fall within the scope of human understanding.

There is of course the question of if a woman were to own an automobile, but does not drive it, Is she a witch? I am being silly of course.

I would recommend saying the rosary. I would have no problem sitting with Buddhist monks. I too can send out nice thoughts to the universe. What I am getting at is don't use meditation as a substitute for actual prayer.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/29/2014 5:32:35 AM

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I met the devil. I did battle the devil for 3 years. I wasnt a stranger to him though, because we had danced before at various times in my life. He was a tyrant, sly, crafty, charming, and persuasive.
Then it accured to me one day, just out of the blue, like a lightening bolt.
I was the devil! Yes there were external forces at play, but it was me doing battle with myself.
it was when I realized that everything changed. That is when growth truly began. I gained it through the power of the Word.
I share my story in hopes that others too can also feel the spark of life that lasts no matter their circumstance. Peace in all.
I can not bottle it. And anyway if I could I wouldnt, some things have to learned to be fully appreciated.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/29/2014 7:00:04 AM

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These words ring true. I will suggest reading proverbs chapter one for a start.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/29/2014 1:03:11 PM

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There is no witch craft. Meditate is in the bible and for me it means deep prayer. I use the word magic, which is not used once only as a descriptive word. As we discussed earlier, the word wonderment. When things fall into place after struggles and being lead, it is much like magic. It is childlike. That is my experience. Learning to find it requires practice, sincerity, and work. Love too.

Unfortunately, you ignored the part when I said there is a foundation for the accusation. If you want to pray you must make your appeal to God and not the universe. You are being accused of practicing witchcraft because you are refusing to acknowledge this. You are not the first to take this route as a way to avoid God.

You were not raised a Buddhist. You have a Christian background. If you were raised a Buddhist it would be unlikely that your intention would be to avoid God, but since you were raised a Christian, it is likely that your intention is to avoid God. Hence, the accusation.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/29/2014 1:53:07 PM

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I hope you forgive me for using you as an example.

There are objective reasons why Christian denominations are usually dogmatic. People have a way of rationalizing things. For this reason it is often reasoned that it is best to keep it simple and to the point so as to minimize the available wiggle room.

Though well intentioned it too though it solves some problems creates others. One of which is that it makes the underlying logic obscure and it can take things in directions that are totally nuts.

Take something that has broad appeal such as Christianity, but it is difficult to comprehend, what might you expect? It makes sense to our intuition, but is difficult to grasp consciously.

Theoretically speaking containment seems achievable, but in practice it is thought of as uncertain because in practice people will twist and turn it every which way to suit themselves.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/29/2014 2:04:33 PM

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I am, nonetheless, hopeful.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/29/2014 2:40:37 PM

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I do pray to God, through Jesus name. Sometimes a very simple prayer of thanks or thoughts many times a day.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/29/2014 3:11:44 PM

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Yet, there is reason to believe that you are substituting one for the other. Meditation in itself is godless.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/29/2014 3:55:58 PM

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I think you are under the impression I am being lead around blindly by others, I assure you that is not the case.

At this point I think you're being lead around blindly by yourself. That's how I would categorize letting your intuition run the show and rejecting knowledge whenever it debunks your religious beliefs.

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I believe how I do because of loads of worldly experiences and bad decisions. I make assertions because I lived them, was taught by them, it is not based on theory. It didnt come from a book, it was lived out.

No I'm confident that you aren't a cancer curing scientist or any sort of scientist for that matter. That assertion about the superiority "God driven" scientists certainly isn't something that you lived, it's not even a theory. Best case it's a supposition that you never even bothered to check and find out was wrong.....worst case that was one of those pieces of "worldly knowledge" you rejected.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/29/2014 3:58:26 PM

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Not for me.

Psalms 5 chapter 1 KJV

give ear to my words, O Lord, consider my meditation .

Psalms 104 vs. 34

my meditation of him shall be sweet: I will be glad in the Lord.

meditation can include God.

Does this sound like what a witch would talk about? Ha your silly!

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/29/2014 4:03:50 PM

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Thats fine. Feel free to believe whatever you want. Life is good.

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I think you are under the impression I am being lead around blindly by others, I assure you that is not the case.

At this point I think you're being lead around blindly by yourself. That's how I would categorize letting your intuition run the show and rejecting knowledge whenever it debunks your religious beliefs.

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I believe how I do because of loads of worldly experiences and bad decisions. I make assertions because I lived them, was taught by them, it is not based on theory. It didnt come from a book, it was lived out.

No I'm confident that you aren't a cancer curing scientist or any sort of scientist for that matter. That assertion about the superiority "God driven" scientists certainly isn't something that you lived, it's not even a theory. Best case it's a supposition that you never even bothered to check and find out was wrong.....worst case that was one of those pieces of "worldly knowledge" you rejected.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/29/2014 7:24:03 PM

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No I'm confident that you aren't a cancer curing scientist or any sort of scientist for that matter. That assertion about the superiority "God driven" scientists certainly isn't something that you lived, it's not even a theory.

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Thats fine. Feel free to believe whatever you want. Life is good.

And there it is again, no ability to engage intellectually. That's not what a average IQ should look like the choices you've made come with noticeable negative consequences.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 3/29/2014 7:27:06 PM

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Not for me.

Psalms 5 chapter 1 KJV

give ear to my words, O Lord, consider my meditation .

Psalms 104 vs. 34

my meditation of him shall be sweet: I will be glad in the Lord.

meditation can include God.

Does this sound like what a witch would talk about? Ha your silly!

I am only pressing you to consider the possibility. It is easy to find passages in the Bible to argue one's point. Meditation can include God.

Wrestling with chatterbox24. chatterbox24 is slippery! Surely, she is a witch! ha ha

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