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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/1/2014 6:30:51 PM   
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As if denial alters the fabric of reality.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/1/2014 6:58:52 PM   
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Here are some stats.

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30048 hits / 3421 replies = 8.78 hits per reply
Likely a top end for a topic.

What good is morality anyway?
5094 hits / 680 replies = 7.49 hits per reply
which is typical for a thread of mine. It was slightly higher earlier. At one point it reached 7.9. I only started to track it recently though. I was curious. Not a large difference between my threads and the most popular. The numbers are inconsistent with those who are asserting that I'm just annoying. People find what I have to say interesting.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/1/2014 7:08:47 PM   
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quote:

Here are some stats.

UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN
30048 hits / 3421 replies = 8.78 hits per reply
Likely a top end for a topic.

What good is morality anyway?
5094 hits / 680 replies = 7.49 hits per reply
which is typical for a thread of mine. It was slightly higher earlier. At one point it reached 7.9. I only started to track it recently though. I was curious. Not a large difference between my threads and the most popular. The numbers are inconsistent with those who are asserting that I'm just annoying. People find what I have to say interesting.



If popularity is a measure of self worth . . . you win.

I just came but now I have to go.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/1/2014 7:14:37 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Marc2b

quote:

Here are some stats.

UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN
30048 hits / 3421 replies = 8.78 hits per reply
Likely a top end for a topic.

What good is morality anyway?
5094 hits / 680 replies = 7.49 hits per reply
which is typical for a thread of mine. It was slightly higher earlier. At one point it reached 7.9. I only started to track it recently though. I was curious. Not a large difference between my threads and the most popular. The numbers are inconsistent with those who are asserting that I'm just annoying. People find what I have to say interesting.



If popularity is a measure of self worth . . . you win.

I just came but now I have to go.


It was a rebuttal silly.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/1/2014 7:17:49 PM   
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You are envious of my manliness. Why else did you make such a disgusting reference? I make you feel very small and inadequate.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/1/2014 8:07:36 PM   
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Unless you and BenevolentM are the same person, then I really don't see where I have had an intelligent conversation with you. There is  reason for that, because although words come out and are typed, we do not speak the same language.

We're half in agreement, you aren't very good at speaking my "language" or at thinking in it. This is what I've been explaining to you for a number of posts now. Thing is that deficiency is entirely fixable, just like how one needs to physically exercise in order to be physically strong one also needs to exercise their intellect in order to be intelligent.

It's entirely possible for you to become an intellectual, all it takes is to let your mind out of it's cage and think.

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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24
Yes, there is such a thing, as being to smart for your own good. You can be mad at God all you want for your lack of understanding and your denied request for answers. Might I suggest just accepting that there are some questions that will never be answered. Humans are their own worst enemy. Knowledge can be good, knowledge can be bad. Simple concept.

You don't understand my position, you made that quite clear when you were unable to explain what rational skepticism was. You don't get where I'm coming from do you understand that? You aren't going to be able to use your intuition to emulate my thought process, you have neither sufficient experience nor understanding. The "mad at God" bit has nothing to do with me and is yet another product of your ignorance.

But that's not what bothers me about your post, it's the unease about intelligence and knowledge that I find disturbing. Knowledge shouldn't be your enemy. You shouldn't have to reject knowledge about reality in order to maintain your religious beliefs.

When you find out that knowledge about reality and your religious beliefs are in conflict instead of rejecting reality please consider that perhaps your religious beliefs aren't absolutely perfect.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/1/2014 8:39:54 PM   
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Dude give it up and just enjoy the show.

It's kind of like watching THIS while tripping on acid - you're kind of creeped out but you can't help laughing hysterically.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/1/2014 8:56:09 PM   
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Between Marc2b and GotSteel I think I like GotSteel better because GotSteel is more devoted to the points he is trying to make.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/1/2014 9:55:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

you aren't very good at speaking my "language" or at thinking in it. This is what I've been explaining to you for a number of posts now. Thing is that deficiency is entirely fixable

Why do you assume the "deficiency" is hers?

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

It's entirely possible for you to become an intellectual

You mean like you?

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

But that's not what bothers me about your post, it's the unease about intelligence and knowledge that I find disturbing. Knowledge shouldn't be your enemy. You shouldn't have to reject knowledge about reality in order to maintain your religious beliefs.

She has been talking about her experiences, not reciting "beliefs." And when our knowledge of reality is inadequate to explain our experiences, it is not unreasonable to think that knowledge is incomplete. In fact, it would be hubris to assert otherwise, and nothing short of catechistic preaching to argue such a claim. Nor is she in bad company...

I have found it necessary to deny knowledge in order to make room for faith. ~Immanuel Kant

Is Kant "intellectual" enough for you? Why don't you stop insulting her for her imagined "deficiencies" and stop trying to convert her to your beliefs?

K.


< Message edited by Kirata -- 4/1/2014 9:58:11 PM >

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/1/2014 11:29:10 PM   
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Kirata commenting on what GotSteel wrote in reply to chatterbox24.

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I have found it necessary to deny knowledge in order to make room for faith. ~Immanuel Kant

Is Kant "intellectual" enough for you?


That was a power quote.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/1/2014 11:39:51 PM   
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quote:

New American Standard Bible, Jeremiah 6:15 http://biblehub.com/nasb/jeremiah/6.htm

"Were they ashamed because of the abomination they have done? They were not even ashamed at all; They did not even know how to blush. Therefore they shall fall among those who fall; At the time that I punish them, They shall be cast down," says the LORD.


This is a known characteristic of the Sinful. They have no shame and so they feel free to come at you like flys.

I'm just calling it the way it is.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/1/2014 11:52:01 PM   
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Morals 101

Since I'm the professor I get to score everyone. How did everyone score on the exam thus far?

Kirata gets an A because Kirata is Kirata.

chatterbox24 gets an A because she's the teacher's pet so she naturally gets an A, but since she is a protestant she gets an A-.

GotSteel gets a D for effort.

Marc2b got an F and failed the course.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/2/2014 2:40:09 AM   
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Maybe I should revise the score I gave GotSteel and give him a better score since he did bring in scientific evidence in support of the Inquisition. That has got to be worth something. Kirata on the other hand argued that GotSteel's argument was inductively weak.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/2/2014 3:11:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Marc2b

quote:

Here are some stats.

UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN
30048 hits / 3421 replies = 8.78 hits per reply
Likely a top end for a topic.

What good is morality anyway?
5094 hits / 680 replies = 7.49 hits per reply
which is typical for a thread of mine. It was slightly higher earlier. At one point it reached 7.9. I only started to track it recently though. I was curious. Not a large difference between my threads and the most popular. The numbers are inconsistent with those who are asserting that I'm just annoying. People find what I have to say interesting.



If popularity is a measure of self worth . . . you win.

I just came but now I have to go.


Having had more time to think about what Marc2b wrote something interesting occurred to me. It concerns what happened shortly after the exorcism. She was sexually assaulted in the same way. With her it was in person. With me it was in cyberspace. The followers of Satan who were attracted to her because she was possessed lost interest in her. It was their way of saying, you win.

I felt sorry for her. She was accosted at a party. She was the host. She was humiliated and had to cope with what happened while entertaining guests. I tried so much to protect her. There were limits to what I could do.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/2/2014 5:13:54 AM   
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GotSteel gets a D for effort.

Marc2b got an F and failed the course.


That's only because we keep cutting this boring class to sneak outside, smoke some doobies and listen to my Bob Marley mix tape.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/2/2014 5:20:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

Kirata commenting on what GotSteel wrote in reply to chatterbox24.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata

I have found it necessary to deny knowledge in order to make room for faith. ~Immanuel Kant

Is Kant "intellectual" enough for you?


That was a power quote.


You are right Ben, but don't be getting arrogant and haughty! LOL.
What you are right about I am sure, is that cute movie you had me view, wasn't just cute. You also told me that earlier in this thread. It had many elements of teaching in it and the movie didn't have any religion outwardly discussed, but the belief in God.
Einstein's character in the movie, as he was speaking to his intellectual companions said. "To Squeeze the mind, to make room for the heart" The movie was about destiny and a love affair between two people, and Catherine settling also. But that perfect balance between the mind and the good heart could be applied in many ways in life. All different kind of loves.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/2/2014 5:22:25 AM   
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What I've ready so far of Saint August I confess has transformed me. My understanding of Sin has improved.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/2/2014 5:33:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

quote:

ORIGINAL: BenevolentM

Kirata commenting on what GotSteel wrote in reply to chatterbox24.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata

I have found it necessary to deny knowledge in order to make room for faith. ~Immanuel Kant

Is Kant "intellectual" enough for you?


That was a power quote.


You are right Ben, but don't be getting arrogant and haughty! LOL.
What you are right about I am sure, is that cute movie you had me view, wasn't just cute. You also told me that earlier in this thread. It had many elements of teaching in it and the movie didn't have any religion outwardly discussed, but the belief in God.
Einstein's character in the movie, as he was speaking to his intellectual companions said. "To Squeeze the mind, to make room for the heart" The movie was about destiny and a love affair between two people, and Catherine settling also. But that perfect balance between the mind and the good heart could be applied in many ways in life. All different kind of loves.


It seems likely that you are going to prefer to interpret the film in a New Age kind of way, but symbolically speaking the notion of not settling is a central tenet of Christianity.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/2/2014 5:43:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

quote:

ORIGINAL: chatterbox24
Unless you and BenevolentM are the same person, then I really don't see where I have had an intelligent conversation with you. There is  reason for that, because although words come out and are typed, we do not speak the same language.

We're half in agreement, you aren't very good at speaking my "language" or at thinking in it. This is what I've been explaining to you for a number of posts now. Thing is that deficiency is entirely fixable, just like how one needs to physically exercise in order to be physically strong one also needs to exercise their intellect in order to be intelligent.

It's entirely possible for you to become an intellectual, all it takes is to let your mind out of it's cage and think.

quote:

ORIGINAL: chatterbox24
Yes, there is such a thing, as being to smart for your own good. You can be mad at God all you want for your lack of understanding and your denied request for answers. Might I suggest just accepting that there are some questions that will never be answered. Humans are their own worst enemy. Knowledge can be good, knowledge can be bad. Simple concept.

You don't understand my position, you made that quite clear when you were unable to explain what rational skepticism was. You don't get where I'm coming from do you understand that? You aren't going to be able to use your intuition to emulate my thought process, you have neither sufficient experience nor understanding. The "mad at God" bit has nothing to do with me and is yet another product of your ignorance.

But that's not what bothers me about your post, it's the unease about intelligence and knowledge that I find disturbing. Knowledge shouldn't be your enemy. You shouldn't have to reject knowledge about reality in order to maintain your religious beliefs.

When you find out that knowledge about reality and your religious beliefs are in conflict instead of rejecting reality please consider that perhaps your religious beliefs aren't absolutely perfect.


What do you think Ben? I think he should at least get a C-? He is trying to understand this phenomenon. IT counts.
GS ( if your middle name started with a P, I would call you GPS) because you need to point it in the right direction.
You appear worried that I do not live in reality. I live reality everyday although I can be quite a dreamer. Which is not a bad thing. I have a deep love for God, it is sincere. It took years of trial and tribulations for me to develop a true appreciation, love and understanding. Trust me you want you some of this. My religion is not perfect, I never said that. Its a Journey of trial and error, learning truths, some incredible, some painful. This path is totally worth it, but it can be a rocky road, sometimes treacherous. I stand firm in my love for God, and until I did, I truly never was enlightened to certain things until I did have that sincerity of heart.
I will repeat, I enjoy knowledge when it pertains to the direction I am guided.

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RE: What good is morality anyway? - 4/2/2014 5:43:33 AM   
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What I've ready so far of Saint August I confess has transformed me. My understanding of Sin has improved.


Is the standard harsh? Yes, but life is harsh.

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