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Lucylastic -> RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as racism" (3/15/2014 11:33:51 PM)

at this time in the morning you could be:)




FullCircle -> RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as racism" (3/16/2014 5:05:09 AM)

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But as time goes on, weirdly, I'm growing less liberal. I'm more like, 'No, religion is ruining the world, you need to stop!'


I agree with that sentiment. There was this story recently where a religious free school in the UK redacted part of a science exam paper because it asked questions about evolution. Their argument for doing so was that they didn't agree with the question and every pupil was put at an equal disadvantage so it didn't matter.

It matters to society if we are raising people that have no knowledge of such things i.e. they don't even know of the possibility of a better answer or the existence of an opposing view to their own. I'd fine the school in the first instance and then shut it down on the first reoccurrence. It's scary stuff going back to the stone age, luckily the internet now exists and so their attempts are futile. The fact they are trying to make this happen in the secular UK lets you just imagine what religion is achieving in terms of spreading ignorance elsewhere in the world (where for example an exam board isn't reporting such abuse).

Why would I not find that kind of thing offensive?




tweakabelle -> RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as racism" (3/16/2014 6:14:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: njlauren

SCOTUS defined this beautifully in the Brown V board of Ed decision, that said separate but equal by its very nature is not equal,that by separating out the 'other group', you are inherently making them unequal.


It's no coincidence that "separate but equal" was the phrase used by apartheid-era white South Africans to justify apartheid-era racial segregation and oppression of blacks. No one in their right mind would claim that the equality. part of that slogan was enforced with any thing like the rigour the separate part was. The whole world knew it was just code for keeping the blacks in their place.

It seems like history is repeating itself, except this time the queers that are the target of the hate groups. Same words, same hate, different target.




chatterbox24 -> RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as racism" (3/16/2014 6:33:30 AM)

A moron? I had to look up the definition to make sure I had that right, you know because of me being slow and all. [8|]
I am not a church lady so you mistakenly group me there. Might I suggest it would be more beneficial for you to do less going through the motions, and keeping the pew warm, and more of your own reading? IT can be quite helpful. Get a notebook, write down what each verse translates to you. IT it possible this might not work if you aren't in the spirit of things, so to speak. SO prayer for the spirit to enlighten you. A mere suggestion.
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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Matthew 7 vs. 6


Okay . . .

“Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces." (KJV)

Who are the dogs/swine in your view? What are the pearls?

BTW, as a church lady myself, I have to say I cringe when I read your posts. Again and again, your words make all believers sound like morons.





Lucylastic -> RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as racism" (3/16/2014 6:36:47 AM)

theres more than enlightenment needed for where you are going




chatterbox24 -> RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as racism" (3/16/2014 6:44:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

theres more than enlightenment needed for where you are going


That may very well be true. I wont know until I get there.




Lucylastic -> RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as racism" (3/16/2014 6:47:10 AM)

im not talking about judgement day




MrMojo90732 -> RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as racism" (3/16/2014 6:51:00 AM)

It amazes me how intolerant the liberal left is while they are screaming for tolerance and making threads like this.





Musicmystery -> RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as racism" (3/16/2014 6:54:42 AM)

How did one person become the entire "liberal left"?

Sweeping conclusions like that are how intolerant positions are spread.





MrMojo90732 -> RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as racism" (3/16/2014 6:57:14 AM)

Nice, musicmystery, I like how you act like this is the first thing I've ever readon and replied to on the internet.
there is this other cool website though, lots of liberals, lots of the same idiocy and intolerance. It's called facebook.




chatterbox24 -> RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as racism" (3/16/2014 6:57:27 AM)

DO tell kind person? Could you mistaken by what I said anyway? How do you know I meant judgment day? Could it be an assumption?

IM sure many of you are lovely people, and this is not sarcasm. Miscommunication is evident.
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

im not talking about judgement day





thishereboi -> RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as racism" (3/16/2014 7:01:35 AM)


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ORIGINAL: njlauren


This whole statement is a total load of bullshit, and it is typical of those trying to claim they are not homophobic, when they are.



That is interesting because I know a lot of gay people who feel the same way he does. Are you implying that they are homophobic also?




Zonie63 -> RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as racism" (3/16/2014 7:06:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

I'm not sure what would make anyone "religious" or otherwise qualify extreme and/or terror groups as "religious." They might claim to be "religious," but then again, if they don't even follow the edicts and principles of their own stated belief system, then they might be more like political opportunists - using religion for their own personal gain.

Of course, one can also find similar opportunists within secular political ideologies as well, so there's really no difference between religion and politics in that regard.

It is not difficult to find justification for all kinds of mayhem and abhorrent practices in the Bible and Koran, so I have to question that claim.


If their religion states that murder is a sin, and if they commit murder, then they're not following the edicts and principles of their stated belief system.

If the religion states that God is "all-knowing" and "all-powerful," then there's no real need for any "holy wars" or any clergy to set themselves up as secular authority figures. Someone who feels they have to kill or fight a battle for God is tacitly saying "I don't believe God is all-knowing or all-powerful, so therefore I must do His work for Him."

It's a human ego thing, not religion. It's the idea that "I know the real Truth better than everyone else. Anyone who disagrees with me must obviously be against Truth and an apostate." It doesn't even matter what the actual belief is, whether it's political or religious. You could probably discern the same phenomenon among extreme sports fanatics, as rival fans have been known to fight and even kill on occasion (such as a recent incident where a San Francisco Giants fan was killed at Dodger Stadium).

It carries the same elements as religious or political fanaticism, which is why I'm reluctant to single out "religion" as a scapegoat for all our problems. It carries the implied argument that "if there was no religion, there would be no violence or mayhem in this world," which I find to be a very naive and dangerous position to take.

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And consider this definition of religion from dictionary.com:

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons

Obviously, this is worthless. And the problem is a serious one in a society where religion enjoys Constitutional protection. I think there is much to be gained from defining religion in a way that denies protection to teachings and practices that serve to divide humanity and set a man against his neighbor. I'm sure some the proponents of what passes for "religion" these days might not like that very much, but I would be inclined to regard their objections as underscoring the need for such.

Granted, people can think as they wish and say whatever they want. But subsidizing such nonsense through tax exemptions and subverting our cherished ideals in order to avoid charges of "religious discrimination" incur costs that go beyond just dollars and cents.

K.



One thing that seems evident in the United States, where we've embraced a tradition of Freedom of Religion and Separation of Church and State, is that there hasn't really been the same level of religious discord in America as we've seen in Europe over the centuries. There has been some, but not as much as in Europe or the Middle East.




MrMojo90732 -> RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as racism" (3/16/2014 7:07:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: njlauren


This whole statement is a total load of bullshit, and it is typical of those trying to claim they are not homophobic, when they are.



That is interesting because I know a lot of gay people who feel the same way he does. Are you implying that they are homophobic also?



Ever notice how the term homophobics exists.. yet what is the word for hating Christian ideals?

Liberalism.

Seriously, think about this. Islam cuts peoples heads off... there is islamaphobia.
yet sit there and say, as a Christian, I don't agree with homosexuality.. and BANG, you're a homophobe.

fuck you democrats.





PeonForHer -> RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as racism" (3/16/2014 7:12:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: njlauren
Heterosexuals might have called the committed union of a man and woman marriage, but it doesn't matter, the real issue is that the term marriage became a legal term, that specified rights and benefits on those who are legally married.


Then, behind that, there's the even more fundamental issue of separation of church and state. The institution of marriage combines the two . . . .




MrMojo90732 -> RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as racism" (3/16/2014 7:17:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: njlauren
Heterosexuals might have called the committed union of a man and woman marriage, but it doesn't matter, the real issue is that the term marriage became a legal term, that specified rights and benefits on those who are legally married.


Then, behind that, there's the even more fundamental issue of separation of church and state. The institution of marriage combines the two . . . .



Hence why, again, marriage isn't a contract to govt, it is a promise to the man or woman you love, and God. "I will love you forever."

No more, no loss.




Musicmystery -> RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as racism" (3/16/2014 7:20:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MrMojo90732

Nice, musicmystery, I like how you act like this is the first thing I've ever readon and replied to on the internet.
there is this other cool website though, lots of liberals, lots of the same idiocy and intolerance. It's called facebook.

Ah. I thought you were pretending to be reasonable.

Back to your circus. Enjoy.








Lucylastic -> RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as racism" (3/16/2014 7:20:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: chatterbox24

DO tell kind person? Could you mistaken by what I said anyway? How do you know I meant judgment day? Could it be an assumption?

IM sure many of you are lovely people, and this is not sarcasm. Miscommunication is evident.
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

im not talking about judgement day



dear one... you mistook what I said in the first place... so look at your myriad posts of one or two words(just in this thread alone) to "explain" what you mean, and try to understand why I cant be bothered to be accepting of your trite comment to DC. Its a two way street..




thishereboi -> RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as racism" (3/16/2014 7:24:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MrMojo90732


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi


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ORIGINAL: njlauren


This whole statement is a total load of bullshit, and it is typical of those trying to claim they are not homophobic, when they are.



That is interesting because I know a lot of gay people who feel the same way he does. Are you implying that they are homophobic also?



Ever notice how the term homophobics exists.. yet what is the word for hating Christian ideals?

Liberalism.

Seriously, think about this. Islam cuts peoples heads off... there is islamaphobia.
yet sit there and say, as a Christian, I don't agree with homosexuality.. and BANG, you're a homophobe.

fuck you democrats.





You don't have a lot of posts so I am going to cut you a break and assume you don't know me very well. One of my biggest complaints about politics in general is this need some people have to paint the other 1/2 of the country as evil. This goes for the ones one the right as well as the left. So if you expect an intelligent reply from me you are going to have to drop the "fuck you democrats" and talk like an intelligent adult otherwise you are just going to be lumped in with all the other bigots and ignored.





Kirata -> RE: "Religion will become as unacceptable as racism" (3/16/2014 7:45:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: FullCircle

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But as time goes on, weirdly, I'm growing less liberal...

I agree with that sentiment... It's scary stuff going back to the stone age... Why would I not find that kind of thing offensive?

The same thing is happening here, but on a much broader scale than a Creationist's wet dream. First the SAT was recentered, ballooning the scores of undistinguished students. Then the verbal analogies portion of the test was eliminated, nevermind that analogies are one of the best measures of analytical reasoning.

Most recently, testing the breadth and richness of a student's vocabulary was canned in favor of interpreting the meaning of "relevant words in context." Deductions for guessing are gone now, too. If you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground, take a flyer. You might get lucky! The math section, too, has been trimmed.

And at Harvard, even truth itself is being pushed onto the block for the progressive axe. All in the name of promoting "social justice".

The SAT upgrade is a big mistake
Let’s give up on academic freedom in favor of justice

K.




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