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ORIGINAL: BamaD

.... it cracks me up to hear gunaphobes arguing that evil people do evil things because of inaimate objects.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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Speak for yourself but an inanimate object lacks the willpower to make me do anything.

Bollocks. Inanimate objects make people want to do things all the time. Right, so you've never looked at a huge motorbike, or a sports car, and thought, 'I'd like to drive that really fast!'

Honestly, Bama . . . I'm well aware of how the gun lobby likes to cast its crap primary school psychology. Your view is simply and deliberately, well, simple. And wrong. Gun-makers know how to make their gear so that people will want their products for what they can do, just like car makers know how to make cars that people will want to buy and drive.

Inanimate objects can, and do, make people want to do things with them. If that weren't the case, their makers would go out of business.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate_by_decade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

OK, explain the difference between the Philippines, which have always had a higher homicide rate than the US and it's Small ownership of firearms? (No figures for a number of countries after 2010) Living with a substantial 1st through 3rd generation Philippine immigrant population here (2nd or 3rd largest demographic?) you'd be shocked by the number of males carrying knives suitable for fighting. I'd strongly bet the majority of homicides in the Philippine islands are by edged blade, machetes being maybe more available. Same with Africa, much of the current atrocities are done with auto military arms (AK47s) but the number of machete killings are higher. If your culture is gun oriented and they are available, guns get used. In cultures where guns are unaffordable except for blood resource financed militias, generally in tribal or resource control conflicts, not within-community or family homicide, the more familiar edged blades are used. Or the ever popular blunt trauma tool such as hammers. Cultural myopia makes for poor arguments.
Angry and self-justifying people and cultures excuse homicide, the stable and cohesive cultures that have inner stability and outer paranoia (Often quite justified) such as Switzerland and Israel have More gun possessing adults than the US and remarkably few gun or other homicides. Availability of firearms is not a crucial factor compared to culture. DOCTORS and hospitals kill more Americans by accident and incompetence than all combined homicide methods! This includes the majority of homicides, inner city drug gang conflict. A Physician's license is more danger to many Americans than weapons. But we accept that for perceived relative advantage.

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The Pistorius case is a clear and excellent example of this. Had no firearms been present, Pistorius would not have been able to kill his victim sight unseen for as long as she remained behind a locked door in the bathroom. Easy access to a weapon created the option for Pistorius to shoot her through a locked door. Had Pistorius not had easy access to a gun, the likeliehood is that the gf would still be alive today.

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Obviously the evil spirits that have possessed American firearms have also possessed Philippine machetes

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Reply to post #100, PeonForHer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate_by_decade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

OK, explain the difference between the Philippines, which have always had a higher homicide rate than the US and it's Small ownership of firearms? (No figures for a number of countries after 2010) Living with a substantial 1st through 3rd generation Philippine immigrant population here (2nd or 3rd largest demographic?) you'd be shocked by the number of males carrying knives suitable for fighting. I'd strongly bet the majority of homicides in the Philippine islands are by edged blade, machetes being maybe more available. Same with Africa, much of the current atrocities are done with auto military arms (AK47s) but the number of machete killings are higher. If your culture is gun oriented and they are available, guns get used. In cultures where guns are unaffordable except for blood resource financed militias, generally in tribal or resource control conflicts, not within-community or family homicide, the more familiar edged blades are used. Or the ever popular blunt trauma tool such as hammers. Cultural myopia makes for poor arguments.
Angry and self-justifying people and cultures excuse homicide, the stable and cohesive cultures that have inner stability and outer paranoia (Often quite justified) such as Switzerland and Israel have More gun possessing adults than the US (The military arms in private hands (Active reserve) in both countries obviously aren't counted in the wikipedia stats.) and remarkably few gun or other homicides. Availability of firearms is not a crucial factor compared to culture. Most Eastern European countries and Russia have vanishingly small gun ownership but look at their homicide rates? They are using Something.
DOCTORS and hospitals kill more Americans by accident and incompetence than all combined homicide methods! This includes the majority of homicides, mostly by firearms, inner city drug gang conflict. A Physician's license is more danger to many Americans than weapons. But we accept that for perceived relative advantage.

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ORIGINAL: epiphiny43

Hasn't it been testified Pistorius smashed through the bathroom door with a cricket bat? I haven't been following that media insanity closely. A not inconsiderable weapon.

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ORIGINAL: epiphiny43

Reply to post #100, PeonForHer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate_by_decade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

OK, explain the difference between the Philippines, which have always had a higher homicide rate than the US and it's Small ownership of firearms? (No figures for a number of countries after 2010) Living with a substantial 1st through 3rd generation Philippine immigrant population here (2nd or 3rd largest demographic?) you'd be shocked by the number of males carrying knives suitable for fighting. I'd strongly bet the majority of homicides in the Philippine islands are by edged blade, machetes being maybe more available. Same with Africa, much of the current atrocities are done with auto military arms (AK47s) but the number of machete killings are higher. If your culture is gun oriented and they are available, guns get used. In cultures where guns are unaffordable except for blood resource financed militias, generally in tribal or resource control conflicts, not within-community or family homicide, the more familiar edged blades are used. Or the ever popular blunt trauma tool such as hammers. Cultural myopia makes for poor arguments.
Angry and self-justifying people and cultures excuse homicide, the stable and cohesive cultures that have inner stability and outer paranoia (Often quite justified) such as Switzerland and Israel have More gun possessing adults than the US (The military arms in private hands (Active reserve) in both countries obviously aren't counted in the wikipedia stats.) and remarkably few gun or other homicides. Availability of firearms is not a crucial factor compared to culture. Most Eastern European countries and Russia have vanishingly small gun ownership but look at their homicide rates? They are using Something.
DOCTORS and hospitals kill more Americans by accident and incompetence than all combined homicide methods! This includes the majority of homicides, mostly by firearms, inner city drug gang conflict. A Physician's license is more danger to many Americans than weapons. But we accept that for perceived relative advantage.

We will now hear how Philippine society is different from European society while ignoring the differences between
American society which has always been much more violent that English society.

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Bama, just as an aside, I honestly would take you a touch more seriously if you could just lose the tagline "Free men own guns, slaves don't." It's embarrassing. It even makes other Americans cringe, never mind non-Americans who have to google what the SCROTUS is, assuming that they care.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Bama, just as an aside, I honestly would take you a touch more seriously if you could just lose the tagline "Free men own guns, slaves don't." It's embarrassing. It even makes other Americans cringe, never mind non-Americans who have to google what the SCROTUS is, assuming that they care.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Bama, just as an aside, I honestly would take you a touch more seriously if you could just lose the tagline "Free men own guns, slaves don't." It's embarrassing. It even makes other Americans cringe, never mind non-Americans who have to google what the SCROTUS is, assuming that they care.

How sad that you think quoting the Supreme Court embarrassing.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

.... it cracks me up to hear gunaphobes arguing that evil people do evil things because of inaimate objects.

Really? Are you in the habit of 'cracking up' about imaginary things? If so, some professional help might be warranted.

As has been pointed out to you multiple times this thread, no one is arguing that "evil people do evil things because of inaimate objects". This is an argument that only exists in your imagination. People are arguing (and please quote me on this if you like) that easy access to guns facilitates murder and other acts of gun violence. They make these crimes easier to commit and far more likely to occur during a momentary flash of ill temper.

The Pistorius case is a clear and excellent example of this. Had no firearms been present, Pistorius would not have been able to kill his victim sight unseen for as long as she remained behind a locked door in the bathroom. Easy access to a weapon created the option for Pistorius to shoot her through a locked door. Had Pistorius not had easy access to a gun, the likeliehood is that the gf would still be alive today.

There's nothing too difficult to grasp here is there? If so please advise me and I'll try to explain in even simpler terms.

But there is no excuse - apart from from being deliberately misleading - for anyone to use this tired discredited strawman again.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Bama, just as an aside, I honestly would take you a touch more seriously if you could just lose the tagline "Free men own guns, slaves don't." It's embarrassing. It even makes other Americans cringe, never mind non-Americans who have to google what the SCROTUS is, assuming that they care.

How sad that you think quoting the Supreme Court embarrassing.

I have no automatic respect for British governmental institutions. What chance do you think US institutions have got, in my eyes? If one of them is talking bollocks, as was the case here with the SCROTUM and its ludicrous view of guns being tied to freedom, I am free to point it out.