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RE: Where IS that plane? - 3/12/2014 7:32:04 AM   
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Extremely suspicious. I wonder how often that happens.
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What does everyone think about the 2 passengers on board that used stolen passports? Coincidence ??




There are 40 million passports in Interpol's database of lost/stolen passports, which is only being used by a few countries to check travelers.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=288967771

...Up to now, only national authorities such as border police have been allowed to verify whether passengers' passports turn up in the database of some 40 million stolen or lost passports in the computer systems of the Lyon, France-based international police agency — not airlines or other private sector companies.

"I have announced today that Qatar Airways and Air Arabia are two airlines that have committed themselves to making sure that all passengers boarding their planes will have their passport data screened against Interpol's database," Interpol Secretary General Ronald K. Noble told reporters at its headquarters.

In essence, the two airlines will be able to query the database but not gain direct access to it, in a program called I-Checkit for private sector companies — which could one day include financial institutions or hotels too, officials said.

While the database has been available to authorities for more than a decade, only a handful of countries actively use it — primarily the United States, Britain and the United Arab Emirates. Noble said that more than 1 billion times last year, travelers boarded planes without their passports being checked against the database.

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RE: Where IS that plane? - 3/12/2014 7:32:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Someone made the comment, maybe they ended up on the Lost Island, I do hope they ended up in the land of the found. For those of you who might work with an abstract mind, there are a few 7's you might find in the reports.
I do hope they find evidence soon for the families. Better yet I it would be beyond wonderful if they were found alive.

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RE: Where IS that plane? - 3/12/2014 7:49:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		The worst thing about all this is that, there was perfect weather, this plane would have had a catastrophic disaster in the safest possible situation.

If it exploded, why they cannot find traces of explosion bits?

If it dived into the deep sea, how come relatives of missing people claim their cellphones are still ringing. Presumingly if in water, cellphone should be completely screwed.

This is one crazy mystery of what happened to that plane! It just disappeared. Even catastrophic disaster that could cause a situation where the pilots could not give a distress signals that the experts described, has never in history happened before.

I still think it's terrorist, and terrorists who can fly the plane, pilots could be drugged or suicidal. In Malaysia, everybody could be bribed, it's quite common for us to bribe police officers and custom officers there, I mean, the two fake passport went in with their Iranian passports, and left with their Italian and Austrian fake passports. If that is not bribery, I don't know what that is. Could they possibly disable whatever tracking there is on the plane, to make the plane completely be running on stealth mode? Pilots are fellow Muslims too BTW.

Just because current investigation cannot find anything to link these two men to terrorism, doesn't mean they are not. It could also mean, they are THAT good at assimilating quietly.

That France plane that dropped was due to extreme bad weather, they were flying through a storm. So the whole situation has like zero similarity. I think there is no similar situation like this that ever happened before!

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RE: Where IS that plane? - 3/12/2014 8:05:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Cells phones still ringing has nothing to do with the actual phones. All VM and calls go through the service provider. Even if the phones are destroyed, calls would still ring and go to VM.

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RE: Where IS that plane? - 3/12/2014 8:20:07 AM   
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Cells phones still ringing has nothing to do with the actual phones. All VM and calls go through the service provider. Even if the phones are destroyed, calls would still ring and go to VM.

I don't understand. If I switch off my phone, and I tried calling my phone, it would have no ring tone.

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RE: Where IS that plane? - 3/12/2014 8:35:19 AM   
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Cells phones still ringing has nothing to do with the actual phones. All VM and calls go through the service provider. Even if the phones are destroyed, calls would still ring and go to VM.

I don't understand. If I switch off my phone, and I tried calling my phone, it would have no ring tone.



The person calling you would hear a ring then it goes to voice mail. Your phone would not be ringing.

But, if a phone is turned off, on most systems someone calling it would go straight to voice mail or hear a computer message "that phone is not available" then voice mail. Systems vary and we don't know what the Malay provider's phones are using.

Black box units are hardened to be resistant to damage but the transmitter function could be taken out by an EMF pulse. And, if the black box didn't come out of its bracket and make it out of the debris when the plane went down; it would be at the bottom of the ocean with the water shielding the transmissions.

If the transponder were taken offline and the plane immediately dropped to lower altitude and changed course.... it would have been missed on radar.

So, we have no bloody way to know for sure until the plane is found.

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RE: Where IS that plane? - 3/12/2014 8:50:11 AM   
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RE: Where IS that plane? - 3/12/2014 9:19:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		two passengers had used stolen passports?

Interpol made an announcement that they had known about these stolen documents for two years. Why then, when these documents were checked was it not picked up?
Interpol also says that by the time the plane went missing they knew about the two men travelling on stolen passports. Why though, did they let them get on the plane?

Clearly the passport checks didn't come back until after the plane had taken off. How can something like this happen? Is all Airport security being compromised?. Turn around of flights are apparently more important than passport checks before boarding and it seems that all those involved with checking passports know this. The people who didn't know were those who boarded the plane.





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RE: Where IS that plane? - 3/12/2014 12:52:06 PM   
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3> At a pirate's airfield having identifying marks changed so it can be sold.




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almost new
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RE: Where IS that plane? - 3/12/2014 2:16:53 PM   
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two passengers had used stolen passports?

Interpol made an announcement that they had known about these stolen documents for two years. Why then, when these documents were checked was it not picked up?
Interpol also says that by the time the plane went missing they knew about the two men travelling on stolen passports. Why though, did they let them get on the plane?

Clearly the passport checks didn't come back until after the plane had taken off. How can something like this happen? Is all Airport security being compromised?. Turn around of flights are apparently more important than passport checks before boarding and it seems that all those involved with checking passports know this. The people who didn't know were those who boarded the plane.







As stated in numerous reports, one was being used by an Iranian seeking asylum. They even have nice pictures of both individuals and both have been checked, rechecked, and re rechecked and no terrorist affiliations are showing up.

I covered all this in this post.

There are reports the aircraft reversed course and flew back across Indonesia, but there was no record of the transponder signal.

The Vietnamese control center never picked up a radio message or the aircraft on radar, which is strange since in the last transmission, Indonesian traffic control told the pilot they were turning them over to the Vietnamese air traffic center, which would prompt an immediate contact by the pilot to the air traffic control center at Ho Chi Min City.

Now since that area is well traveled by ships, military and civilian, I am wondering if anyone has thought to contact the military ships in the area to see if any of them had the aircraft on radar along with the transponder signal.

If the accident happened at the instant of handoff, it was so immediate that nothing could have been done.

Ho Chi Min control should have raised the alarm when the aircraft did not check in, as this is procedure.

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RE: Where IS that plane? - 3/12/2014 3:34:02 PM   
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As stated in numerous reports, one was being used by an Iranian seeking asylum. They even have nice pictures of both individuals and both have been checked, rechecked, and re rechecked and no terrorist affiliations are showing up.



I don't think either of these guys are terrorists but thats not my point. My point is, why were these guys over looked and why did passport control not pick up about the stolen passports until after the flight took off. What I'm asking is, is this a regular occurrence with airport security.


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Now since that area is well traveled by ships, military and civilian, I am wondering if anyone has thought to contact the military ships in the area to see if any of them had the aircraft on radar along with the transponder signal.



Malaysia's air force chief, Gen. Rodzali Daud said that radar at a military base had tracked the jet as it changed its course, with the final signal at 2:40 a.m. showing the plane to be near Pulau Perak at the northern approach to the Strait of Malacca, a busy waterway that separates the western coast of Malaysia and Indonesia's Sumatra island. It was flying slightly lower, at around 29,528 feet, he said.
"After that, the signal from the plane was lost," he was quoted as saying.

A high-ranking military official involved in the investigation confirmed the report. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to disclose sensitive information.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/national_world&id=9461780



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If the accident happened at the instant of handoff, it was so immediate that nothing could have been done.



I think this is the most likely scenario. For all we know a chunk of breaking up satellite or meteor could of hit it and taken out the cockpit, which could also explain why the plain went off course. Perhaps the pilot didn't change course but instead was knocked off course. I somehow suspect we will never know.

Its a terrible tragedy. I saw on the news tonight that the father of one of the passengers has died from shock.


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RE: Where IS that plane? - 3/12/2014 5:06:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		The security agency at the airport never checked the Interpool list, if they had the passports would have hit. The names on the pax manifest weren't run through Interpool until after the a/c went missing.

I'm curious as to whether a facility handoff was made between the two ATC centers. I know controller a told the a/c to contact controller b but was there coordination and a handoff between the two controllers? When the a/c didn't contact controller b, all hell should have broken loose between calls to controller a and trying to establish radar contact. An emergency situation should have been declared by controller b. If the military was tracking the a/c and noticed a change of course phone calls should have been made with a high alert status and probably jets should have scrambled for a nordo a/c that averted its course.

Way too much delayed and conflicting information so far, it's CYA time for some of these agencies I'm afraid.

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RE: Where IS that plane? - 3/12/2014 5:41:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sadly, I believe the plane has crashed (ocean or land). Hijackers/terrorists usually have demands or some agenda that is made clear fairly quickly. They don't generally take over the plane to then disappear quietly. We should have seen either demands or some catastrophe somewhere.

I do have a question about mobile coverage and whether passenger phones could have been used for communication at the point where the plane lost contact. The reason I ask is that in this era of mobile phones, even if the plane had been hijacked or something unusual had happened on the flight, I think passengers would have been in contact with loved ones assuming there was service. This was true on 9/11 particularly from Flight 93. But I realize that where this plane went missing maybe not a single mobile phone had signal from any carrier. I don't know anything about mobile service providers in Asia and how coverage works there. Does anyone know the answer to this?




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RE: Where IS that plane? - 3/12/2014 6:31:32 PM   
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There are 40 million passports in Interpol's database of lost/stolen passports, which is only being used by a few countries to check travelers.

While the database has been available to authorities for more than a decade, only a handful of countries actively use it — primarily the United States, Britain and the United Arab Emirates. Noble said that more than 1 billion times last year, travelers boarded planes without their passports being checked against the database.


40 MILLION. Okay, I would not have guessed quite so many. I suspect then that traveling with stolen documents might be much more routine than we might want to believe - especially if only a handful of countries are opting to use this database. It definitely begs the question of why more countries would not use the database. I wonder if there is some way to encourage more countries to check?



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RE: Where IS that plane? - 3/12/2014 6:55:55 PM   
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I'm not a news junkie, but this story has me seriously intrigued. . http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/11/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane-search/

Where do you think it WENT????


Where it should go.

Searching for facts.

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RE: Where IS that plane? - 3/12/2014 6:56:11 PM   
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RE: Where IS that plane? - 3/12/2014 7:12:56 PM   
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latest report

The Chinese apparently have really crappy spy satellites. A US sat would be able to make out the detail much better on objects that big.

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RE: Where IS that plane? - 3/12/2014 7:50:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Four days and they have not found any wreckage tells me it is unlikely the disaster has happened over the sea. A modern aircraft has hundreds if not thousands of things on board with a specific gravity below one. That means it floats. One thing is the lifejackets, which also floats if not inflated. They are also made in the most glaring visible colors to make them easy to spot. It is unlikely that a spotter aircraft shouldn’t have found something by now, unless they are looking in the wrong places. The missing transponder signal could suggest a hijacking scenario which could put it anywhere.
If it has disappeared over land, then it can be very hard to find. I remember an American military aircraft which left Clarke air Field (Philippines) for Guam back in the last days of WW2 and disappeared without trace. It took nearly 40 years before they found it by accident in a remote mountainous area on Luzon. Some areas in South East Asia with a mixture of ragged mountains and tropical rainforest can hide nearly anything.
One thing I don’t understand is. In this age where we today have a global satellite based mobile telephone net (not the one our standard cellular phones operate on). Why isn’t the data stream which goes to the “black boxes” not hardwired out to one of these mobile phones, and then via the satellite back to somebody like the aircraft operator. With hardwired I mean wired in a manner where there is no accessible switchgear to the crew or hijackers. This data stream should of course be feed in to a computer where the flight plan is also stored. Deviation between the 2 should set of an alarm so appropriate action could be taken . All the above is tested and tried technology, just used in a new manner. The cost of installing and operating is loose change in the industry.
The time from where a flight controller notes he is missing a blip on his screen and until the emergency services arrive at the crash site has cost countless would be survivors their life.

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RE: Where IS that plane? - 3/12/2014 8:33:35 PM   
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The security agency at the airport never checked the Interpool list, if they had the passports would have hit. The names on the pax manifest weren't run through Interpool until after the a/c went missing.

The problem here also, is the Iranian is 18 yr old, and the person on the passport is like 60 yr old. It's seriously a big screw up. Let's say if the officer thinks that this Iranian looks Italian or Austrian, but the age gap????



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RE: Where IS that plane? - 3/12/2014 8:36:00 PM   
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The Chinese apparently have really crappy spy satellites. A US sat would be able to make out the detail much better on objects that big.

Lol!!! I remembered seeing it on our local news, and they touted as some super high tech, super clear zoom in satellite, and then I looked at the pictures and it's like WTF??? How is that brilliant crystal clear?

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