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RE: Obama Care - 4/8/2014 8:13:39 AM   
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http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2014/04/cover-story-barry-blitt-the-best-medicine.html
“This whole enterprise was just an elaborate excuse,” says Barry Blitt about his cover for this week’s issue. “I enjoyed drawing Ted Cruz, John Boehner, and Michele Bachmann as petulant children—and I especially wanted to draw an open-mouthed Mitch McConnell being spoon-fed his meds.”


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RE: Obama Care - 4/8/2014 8:26:12 AM   
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Five months into the health care law's roll out, the rate of uninsured Americans has dropped to the lowest point since 2008, a new Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index poll finds this morning. The survey is notable because the Obama administration says it doesn't even know how many uninsured people are signing up for Obamacare health plans.

The big headline from the report: 15.9 percent of adults are now uninsured, down from 17.1 percent at the end of 2013.

It's news that the Obama administration and the law's supporters are going to cheer as proof that the Affordable Care Act is working, and you'll likely hear a lot about it this week. HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius will testify on Capitol Hill twice, and the administration is expected to release another monthly Obamacare enrollment report.

Here are five things to know about the Gallup poll:

1. Young people are getting covered

The uninsured rate for the highly scrutinized 18-34 year-old demographic is dropping, but not yet to the levels the administration hopes for. The uninsured rate among 18-25 year-olds is now 23 percent, down from 23.5 percent, and the rate for 26 to 34 year-olds dropped from 28.2 percent to 26.6 percent.

Young adults, however, make up about 25 percent of exchange signups, according to the administration's most recent enrollment report from almost a month ago. It showed that young adults were signing up for insurance at a faster rate from previous months, but the administration had originally aimed for young adults to make up about 40 percent of exchange enrollees.With just three weeks left until the March 31 enrollment deadline, the White House this week is reaching out to moms to get their young adult children to sign up for coverage.

2. Hispanics are slow to sign up

Gallup found the uninsured rate has dropped across all major demographics, but Hispanics still have the highest uninsured rate of any group at 37.9 percent. It's down from 38.7 percent at the end of 2013, but the current uninsured rate is still far higher than that of black Americans (18.3 percent) and white Americans (10.9).

Hispanics were thought to be prime beneficiaries of the health care law because of their high uninsured rate and younger population. There's been much written about how California has had disappointing Hispanic enrollment numbers, despite the state's emphasis on enrolling the demographic in exchange plans. Kaiser Health News just a few days ago offered a good look at some of the marketing mistakes the state made in early outreach efforts.

3. Medicaid enrollment ticks up

One of the toughest Obamacare numbers to pin down is just how many people have signed up for Medicaid because of the health care law. HHS says 8.9 million people have been determined eligible for Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program since the start of October enrollment, but that number includes people who renewed coverage and those previously eligible who hadn't signed up.

The Gallup poll doesn't fully answer how many have signed up because of the law, but it shows that the rate of people who say they're primarily covered by Medicaid increased from 6.6 percent to 7.4 percent since the end of 2013. Gallup says the law's Medicaid expansion, adopted by about half the states, is likely driving the increase.

4. Rate of employer coverage drops

The rate of people who say they're covered by a current or former employer dropped from 45.5 percent to 43.4 percent from the end of 2013. Meanwhile, the rate of people who say they're covered by a plan paid for by themselves or a family member increased from 17.2 percent to 18.1 percent over the same time.

The Gallup poll doesn't offer any explanation of the drop in employer-based coverage, but Kaiser Family Foundation insurance expert Larry Levitt cautions against reading too much into the numbers. He writes to me:

One needs to be careful in over-interpreting Gallup’s results, especially at the sub-group level, given the statistical volatility. The margin of error is plus or minus 1% among all adults, and even higher for sub-groups. So, it’s very likely that the change in employer coverage from the end of 2013 to the beginning of 2014 is within the margin of error.

Like other larger surveys, Gallup has shown a decline in employer coverage over time, driven by changes in the economy, not the Affordable Care Act.

As other sources of coverage grow this year – like Medicaid and the exchanges – employer coverage will decline as a share of insurance, but not necessarily in raw numbers. In the long-term, the Congressional Budget Office does expect employer coverage to decline as people have other options.

5. People with lower incomes signing up at faster rate

The uninsured rate among people earning less than $36,000 dropped 2.8 percentage points since the end of 2013, though their uninsured rate remains high at 27.9 percent. The uninsured rate for people earning between $36,000 and $90,000 is 10.8 percent, and the uninsured rate for people making more than $90,000 is 5 percent – both of those groups saw their uninsured rate drop .8 percentage points.

It's not surprising that lower-income people have had the largest drop in the uninsured rate. The group includes people who are signing up for Medicaid at no or very little cost, as well as those receiving the most generous subsidies for private plans on Obamacare exchanges. According to the most recent HHS enrollment report, about four in five people signing up on the exchanges are receiving financial assistance.



Article from the Wapo http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/03/10/five-takeaways-from-gallups-poll-on-the-uninsured/
link to poll from Gallup
http://www.gallup.com/poll/167798/uninsured-rate-continues-fall.aspx

ooooh and the Presidents popularity is climbing again

Obama Approval
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RE: Obama Care - 4/8/2014 8:33:50 AM   
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Gallup results




Old news.

1. The government could have expanded Medicare/Medicaid anytime it wanted to.
2. The government forced people to buy obamacare. They still don't like it.
3. The percentage of people having their healthcare paid for by the government increased 10% under obama's administration.

Many here believe that this was nothing but a move to drive the US to single payer.
If so it was done dishonestly.


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RE: Obama Care - 4/8/2014 8:38:51 AM   
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The facts as I understand them are the following:

About 1 Million people had shit health plans cancelled.

About 10 Million people have gained access to health care. (No access before.)

A net total of 9 Million Americans have gained health care coverage. If the plan is repealed, those 9 Million would likely lose it.

The ratio is 10-1.



Yeah. Which means you don't understand shit, as usual.
The Associated Press came up with 4.7 million plans cancelled. Its the lowest of the creditable numbers.

I posted the numbers debunking the HufPo and LA times article. Their source is an unreleased Rand study (funny how the libs hate big corporations until they don't). Unpublished means- you can't look at their sources or methodologies. Convenient eh?

Current estimates. 20% of signups won't pay the premium and will be cancelled. 3-5% of the people that paid the jan premiums haven't (and won't pay) and will be cancelled.

And talking about "shit" insurance plans - what do you call insurance that you have to force under threat of law people to sign up for. After you cancel their other insurance.

Shit seems like a good choice.

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RE: Obama Care - 4/8/2014 8:50:32 AM   
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"The Associated Press came up with 4.7 million plans cancelled. Its the lowest of the creditable numbers. "

I've never seen that figure.

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"The GOP claim that more Americans have lost insurance than gained it under Obamacare"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/01/06/the-gop-claim-that-more-americans-have-lost-insurance-than-gained-it-under-obamacare/

At least now we know this is bullshit.....

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RE: Obama Care - 4/8/2014 8:57:23 AM   
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"The Associated Press came up with 4.7 million plans cancelled. Its the lowest of the creditable numbers. "



Its not like you can't google. http://news.yahoo.com/policy-notifications-current-status-state-204701399.html

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RE: Obama Care - 4/8/2014 8:59:49 AM   
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quote:

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Gallup results




Old news.

1. The government could have expanded Medicare/Medicaid anytime it wanted to.
2. The government forced people to buy obamacare. They still don't like it.
3. The percentage of people having their healthcare paid for by the government increased 10% under obama's administration.

Many here believe that this was nothing but a move to drive the US to single payer.
If so it was done dishonestly.



1. but they didnt
2. NO. NOT true. not forcing at all. You dont HAVE to buy an obamacare policy.
3. ACA was in part to be able to enable healthcare insurance for uninsured... they are getting there.
we know you can throw up all the crap you want in your posts, you can change goal posts...

healthcare has been fucked for 3 or more decades. The poor at least now have a chance to get help before they need to use the ER..
deny its broken as it was, ACA its not a wonderful idea, single payer is better.


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RE: Obama Care - 4/8/2014 9:04:00 AM   
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ps its not old news, I just linked to the wrong chart
april 7th is yesterday
http://www.gallup.com/poll/168248/uninsured-rate-lowest-2008.aspx
In U.S., Uninsured Rate Lowest Since 2008
Uninsured rate declines most among blacks and lower-income Americans
by Jenna Levy

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- In the U.S., the uninsured rate dipped to 15.6% in the first quarter of 2014, a 1.5-percentage-point decline from the fourth quarter of 2013. The uninsured rate is now at the lowest level recorded since late 2008.

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RE: Obama Care - 4/8/2014 9:05:51 AM   
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I was able to find the 4.7M figure on Fox News and forbes. The ratio should be more clear by the end of the year, but more Americans now have health coverage than before, and the amount of uninsured Americans has dropped by over 12 percent.


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RE: Obama Care - 4/8/2014 9:34:39 AM   
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but more Americans now have health coverage than before, and the amount of uninsured Americans has dropped by over 12 percent.



First of all - go read the census bureau statistics I provided before. After all the smoke and mirrors, after all the political corruption and the decision to spend 2 trillion dollars, we've gotten back to the same numbers of uninsursed that we had when obama was elected.

Obama's promise to cover the uninsured was a lie. Just like his promise that you could keep your insurance and you could keep your doctor.

The bottom line is you are forcing parents to pay for insurance for their kids.
You are forcing young people to buy insurance they, as an aggregate, do not need.
You are forcing religious people to pay for abortions.

And people don't like to be forced. And you can count on seeing that at the polls.

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RE: Obama Care - 4/8/2014 9:48:27 AM   
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"The Associated Press came up with 4.7 million plans cancelled. Its the lowest of the creditable numbers. "

Its not like you can't google. http://news.yahoo.com/policy-notifications-current-status-state-204701399.html


Maybe you should UPDATE your facts.

"In reality, many people who received notices that their plans were canceled were told they would be automatically enrolled into another plan by the same insurance company.

How is it, Phydeaux, that we used the SAME material in google.com searches, and yet I come across the facts and you don't?


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RE: Obama Care - 4/8/2014 9:49:32 AM   
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I can answer that query in one word....


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RE: Obama Care - 4/8/2014 10:40:32 AM   
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quote:

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"The Associated Press came up with 4.7 million plans cancelled. Its the lowest of the creditable numbers. "

Its not like you can't google. http://news.yahoo.com/policy-notifications-current-status-state-204701399.html


Maybe you should UPDATE your facts.

"In reality, many people who received notices that their plans were canceled were told they would be automatically enrolled into another plan by the same insurance company.

How is it, Phydeaux, that we used the SAME material in google.com searches, and yet I come across the facts and you don't?





LOLOLOL. Tell you what. When you post a fact, I'll be sure to look at it.
Post a source saying how how many people actually got enrolled into another plan.

Then I'll be happy to have that debate with you. Because the words "up to" means we have no idea how fuck many people this affected.

And, while you're at it. Please do post a Census bureau figure showing the number of people without health insurance, now and 2008.

Because until you can actually show an honest statistic - shut the fuck up.


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RE: Obama Care - 4/8/2014 7:52:47 PM   
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Just checked... none of the staffing companies that do supplemental staffing of nuclear power plants offer health insurance through the company any more.

My policy wasn't canceled but I could no longer afford it when they increased the premium 300% and increased the deductible tenfold.

The health care act website could not process an application for someone in my field unless I chose to lie on the form. The government has yet to process the paper applications.

So I'm without health insurance and legally liable for government fines for not having insurance.

No, this isn't statistics but personal experience. And I still think calling a mandatory insurance bill "Affordable Health Care Act" is totally spin doctoring a pork barrel for high dollar insurance companies. Insurance does not equate to health care at all but impacts what one is charged for health care (higher).

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RE: Obama Care - 4/8/2014 8:24:08 PM   
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Just checked... none of the staffing companies that do supplemental staffing of nuclear power plants offer health insurance through the company any more.

My policy wasn't canceled but I could no longer afford it when they increased the premium 300% and increased the deductible tenfold.

The health care act website could not process an application for someone in my field unless I chose to lie on the form. The government has yet to process the paper applications.

So I'm without health insurance and legally liable for government fines for not having insurance.

No, this isn't statistics but personal experience. And I still think calling a mandatory insurance bill "Affordable Health Care Act" is totally spin doctoring a pork barrel for high dollar insurance companies. Insurance does not equate to health care at all but impacts what one is charged for health care (higher).


Claim a death in the family, or hardship signing up for insurance. Seems like you have a legitimate case of the latter. Penalty is waived, and its honor system - ie., no verification.

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RE: Obama Care - 4/14/2014 10:26:51 AM   
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Interesting article on vermont's single payer that they can't get funded


http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-04-11/vermont-s-single-payer-dream-is-taxpayer-nightmare

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RE: Obama Care - 4/14/2014 10:40:26 AM   
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Interesting article on vermont's single payer that they can't get funded


http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-04-11/vermont-s-single-payer-dream-is-taxpayer-nightmare



"Now, you can argue that people should be glad to make this trade-off, not just for peace of mind, but because they will trade higher taxes for lower (no) insurance premiums."

Liberals, especially the progressive sort, should be flocking there. I'd expect Vermont's population to rise, even substantially.

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RE: Obama Care - 4/14/2014 10:46:36 AM   
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Why is that, you would expect the nutsackers to flock to the states that are federal welfare states, where the federal government is paying more into the state than federal taxes received. And guess what, yup, that's where the nutsackers are.

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RE: Obama Care - 4/15/2014 8:45:38 AM   
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Obama cooking the books again...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/16/us/politics/census-survey-revisions-mask-health-law-effects.html?hp&_r=0

Way the survey is changed leads to 2.6% percent fewer people not having insurance.

Yay!

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RE: Obama Care - 4/15/2014 9:03:37 AM   
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Obama cooking the books again...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/16/us/politics/census-survey-revisions-mask-health-law-effects.html?hp&_r=0

Way the survey is changed leads to 2.6% percent fewer people not having insurance.

Yay!


Such a lame attempt at slinging mud at the White House. The document explains in plainly obvious terms why the changes were made. Here's a hint: Its how Americans get healthcare insurance now as opposed to previous years.

There is no conspiracy here, Phydeaux. Perhaps you need to add an extra layer of tinfoil to your hat....

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