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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 3:44:57 PM   
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Let me see if I have the non-disputed part of this story correct. An underage 16-year old girl invites a boy to sneak into her bedroom at night while her father is home, and the idiot thinks this is a good idea. Cue a Darwin Award right there.

The rest of the story seems clouded by conflicting reports, but even granting that stupidity is not a capital offense, it is often rewarded.

So as we rush to line up the people responsible for this little drama, let's not forget the role played by Johran McCormick himself, who knowingly snuck into a house uninvited by its owners in furtherance of a purpose which was against their will.

K.


to be fair,aren't we all darwin award nominees at the age of 16?
I know I did alota stupid and dangerous shit back then just to try to impress girls.

if one had actually asked me to sneak into her room,I'm sure I woulda done it.heck,she could have had secret service security and a pack of rabid attack wolves with bee hives in their mouths and lived in a castle with a mote and motherfucking lazer turrets, and I still woulda done it lol.And don't say you wouldn't have right away.If you remember anything about being that age,it's that hormones have more of a say then that rational part of yer brain does...You know,that part that thinks things through and assess risk...yeah,that part of yer brain is a little defective during puberty and up till early adulthood.thank god we grow out of it(well,some of us that don't get shot while shtooping some ones daughter)

shit,just take a look at what you wore back then and tell me you weren't an annoying dumb ass twat when you were younger...and if it's the same shit you wear now,well,then there's a good chance yer an annoying dumb ass twat lol(he says wearing pants he bought from the thrift store when he was 14)

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 4:24:23 PM   
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no word on the condition of the daughter, who in my opinion is more responsible for the death than anyone else.


Bullshit! Try the shooter.


You know that sometimes people experience "breakdowns" to bolster their defense, don't you?




Hlen, the boy would not have been in her bedroom if she had not invited him, and the fact she initially denied she knew him?

Are you saying that she has no culpability at all?

And did all of you miss the one point that makes this different?


The young man was inside the shooter's house, in the middle of the night and in his daughter's bedroom.

Not that it justifies the killing of a teenage boy, but you have to admit the situation is very different from say, the Zimmerman case.


Wow. Talk about clueless.

A noise in a teenage daughter's bedroom, and a young man there in her bed --

...if your first thought is "intruder," then you are very, very naive.

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Neighbors . . . described a crime-free neighborhood.

Until now. Except in Texas, apparently, given the DA office's statement.




Much more reasonable to assume they just came by AT 2 AM to help her with her homework
and you didn't notice when he rang the doorbell

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 4:29:14 PM   
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We are just bandying the very few facts we know.

Yes, she lied, Yes, she had a boy in her room. Yes, he could have been mistaken that the kid was there to rape his daughter.

Who pulled the trigger? Who brought the gun to the room?

If he had the draw-down on the kid, call the cops.



It was pointed out earlier, by a anti gun type that the kid tried to take the gun,
do you think he should have given it to him called a time out called the cops and waited for them?
Remember there was no reason to call the police until he found the 17 year old.

Who brought the 17 year old into the room?
Who told the father they didn't know him?
Why does any not holding a gun get a pass and the homeowner, defending his daughter is required
to be perfect.

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 4:32:34 PM   
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To me or the father is guilty of murder or the daughter is guilty of manslaughter.

And of course the 17 year old is innocent as a lamb

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 4:34:06 PM   
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in texas, the daughter has a better chance of being prosecuted than the father does




Lucy, if daddy is armed, finds boy on top of daughter, and she claims she does not know the boy, how the fuck is daddy to know that a) daddy's little girl is lieing, and b) she invited the boy over.

And unfortunately, most teens in this state know the following applies:

The age of consent is 17. The minimum age is 14 with an age differential of 3 years; thus, those who are at least 14 years of age can legally have sex with those less than 3 years older.

Daughter was 16, boy was 17, she was legally able to give consent, and all daddy can do is sit on his ass and wonder where he went wrong (even though as a teenager he probably nailed a few 16 year old girls.)

I mean seriously, it seems to be one of the top internet searches in middle and high schools in the state.

Once the daughter lied and told her father she did not know the boy, she basically put a target on her boyfriend which got him killed, just as if she pulled the trigger herself.

As I said, that girl is more responsible for that boy's death than her father, he reacted to information he had.

Because as a gun owner he is required to be a mind reader (sarcasm font off)

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 4:35:24 PM   
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in texas, the daughter has a better chance of being prosecuted than the father does



I think most of what they told the police is bullshit to cover he acted because of rage. I don't have proofs it's my opinion based on the fuzzines of the versions reported.
Anyway... if it's true when her father came in with a gun, maybe it was the time to get clean about having sneaked in a boy instead of drawing a target on him.

Maybe??????????

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 4:36:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


~ FR ~

Let me see if I have the non-disputed part of this story correct. An underage 16-year old girl invites a boy to sneak into her bedroom at night while her father is home, and the idiot thinks this is a good idea. Cue a Darwin Award right there.

The rest of the story seems clouded by conflicting reports, but even granting that stupidity is not a capital offense, it is often rewarded.

So as we rush to line up the people responsible for this little drama, let's not forget the role played by Johran McCormick himself, who knowingly snuck into a house uninvited by its owners in furtherance of a purpose which was against their will.

K.


Ah, no. He was invited and not against her will.

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 4:39:15 PM   
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To me or the father is guilty of murder or the daughter is guilty of manslaughter.

And of course the 17 year old is innocent as a lamb

The father should be tried for manslaughter.

The 16 year old is guilty of being 16, and grounded for a month.
The 17 year old, also guilty of being 17, should be home, alive, scared after her father chased him out.

Not shot.

Spin this anyway you like. It's bullshit.

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 4:44:42 PM   
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An underage 16-year old girl invites a boy to sneak into her bedroom at night while her father is home, and the idiot thinks this is a good idea. Cue a Darwin Award right there.

if one had actually asked me to sneak into her room,I'm sure I woulda done it

If you say so.

K.

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 4:50:12 PM   
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By all means, skip the trial and take the 55 year old idiot to the execution chamber.


For me it'd be self-evident that the shooter go on trial. Gawd, JLF, there are shades between black and white, you know!

He had a gun he must be in the wrong.

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 4:56:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: PyrotheClown


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


~ FR ~

Let me see if I have the non-disputed part of this story correct. An underage 16-year old girl invites a boy to sneak into her bedroom at night while her father is home, and the idiot thinks this is a good idea. Cue a Darwin Award right there.

The rest of the story seems clouded by conflicting reports, but even granting that stupidity is not a capital offense, it is often rewarded.

So as we rush to line up the people responsible for this little drama, let's not forget the role played by Johran McCormick himself, who knowingly snuck into a house uninvited by its owners in furtherance of a purpose which was against their will.

K.


to be fair,aren't we all darwin award nominees at the age of 16?
I know I did alota stupid and dangerous shit back then just to try to impress girls.

if one had actually asked me to sneak into her room,I'm sure I woulda done it.heck,she could have had secret service security and a pack of rabid attack wolves with bee hives in their mouths and lived in a castle with a mote and motherfucking lazer turrets, and I still woulda done it lol.And don't say you wouldn't have right away.If you remember anything about being that age,it's that hormones have more of a say then that rational part of yer brain does...You know,that part that thinks things through and assess risk...yeah,that part of yer brain is a little defective during puberty and up till early adulthood.thank god we grow out of it(well,some of us that don't get shot while shtooping some ones daughter)

shit,just take a look at what you wore back then and tell me you weren't an annoying dumb ass twat when you were younger...and if it's the same shit you wear now,well,then there's a good chance yer an annoying dumb ass twat lol(he says wearing pants he bought from the thrift store when he was 14)

We give the dead kid a pass cause he was 17, we kid the girl a pass because she is 16,
we give his parents a pass cause doesn't everyone let their teenagers run around at 2am?
But we put the father under the microscope because he isn't psychic.

Or is it really that some people hate guns so much that they want to fry anyone using one
to hell with the situation.

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 5:06:48 PM   
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No. To hell with this situation.

He got to shoot an intruder finally. Yippie.

Everybody wins.

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 5:10:20 PM   
BamaD


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~ FR ~

Let me see if I have the non-disputed part of this story correct. An underage 16-year old girl invites a boy to sneak into her bedroom at night while her father is home, and the idiot thinks this is a good idea. Cue a Darwin Award right there.

The rest of the story seems clouded by conflicting reports, but even granting that stupidity is not a capital offense, it is often rewarded.

So as we rush to line up the people responsible for this little drama, let's not forget the role played by Johran McCormick himself, who knowingly snuck into a house uninvited by its owners in furtherance of a purpose which was against their will.

K.


Ah, no. He was invited and not against her will.

The 16 year old wasn't the homeowner, it was her parents house.

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 5:11:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: PyrotheClown


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~ FR ~

Let me see if I have the non-disputed part of this story correct. An underage 16-year old girl invites a boy to sneak into her bedroom at night while her father is home, and the idiot thinks this is a good idea. Cue a Darwin Award right there.

The rest of the story seems clouded by conflicting reports, but even granting that stupidity is not a capital offense, it is often rewarded.

So as we rush to line up the people responsible for this little drama, let's not forget the role played by Johran McCormick himself, who knowingly snuck into a house uninvited by its owners in furtherance of a purpose which was against their will.

K.


to be fair,aren't we all darwin award nominees at the age of 16?
I know I did alota stupid and dangerous shit back then just to try to impress girls.

if one had actually asked me to sneak into her room,I'm sure I woulda done it.heck,she could have had secret service security and a pack of rabid attack wolves with bee hives in their mouths and lived in a castle with a mote and motherfucking lazer turrets, and I still woulda done it lol.And don't say you wouldn't have right away.If you remember anything about being that age,it's that hormones have more of a say then that rational part of yer brain does...You know,that part that thinks things through and assess risk...yeah,that part of yer brain is a little defective during puberty and up till early adulthood.thank god we grow out of it(well,some of us that don't get shot while shtooping some ones daughter)

shit,just take a look at what you wore back then and tell me you weren't an annoying dumb ass twat when you were younger...and if it's the same shit you wear now,well,then there's a good chance yer an annoying dumb ass twat lol(he says wearing pants he bought from the thrift store when he was 14)

We give the dead kid a pass cause he was 17, we kid the girl a pass because she is 16,
we give his parents a pass cause doesn't everyone let their teenagers run around at 2am?
But we put the father under the microscope because he isn't psychic.

Or is it really that some people hate guns so much that they want to fry anyone using one
to hell with the situation.


how many of us would be dead if this situation repeated itself on a regular basis?

how many teenagers would be dead if this was the normal, expected response?

American streets would be jammed with hearses full of dead kids if every time a father caught their daughter/ son in a compromising position they decided to shoot the other kid involved.

Pro gunners must be Olympic standard gymnasts given the number of hoops they jump through to justify all the unnecessary shooting that goes on

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 5:15:22 PM   
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No. To hell with this situation.

He got to shoot an intruder finally. Yippie.

Everybody wins.

Sorry I missed news release that show he was wanting to shoot an intruder could you provide the link.
Being willing to and wanting to are not the same thing. I realize that there are some people out there
who can not comprehend the difference but hopefully they are rare.

< Message edited by BamaD -- 3/17/2014 5:16:07 PM >


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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 5:18:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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~ FR ~

Let me see if I have the non-disputed part of this story correct. An underage 16-year old girl invites a boy to sneak into her bedroom at night while her father is home, and the idiot thinks this is a good idea. Cue a Darwin Award right there.

The rest of the story seems clouded by conflicting reports, but even granting that stupidity is not a capital offense, it is often rewarded.

So as we rush to line up the people responsible for this little drama, let's not forget the role played by Johran McCormick himself, who knowingly snuck into a house uninvited by its owners in furtherance of a purpose which was against their will.

K.


to be fair,aren't we all darwin award nominees at the age of 16?
I know I did alota stupid and dangerous shit back then just to try to impress girls.

if one had actually asked me to sneak into her room,I'm sure I woulda done it.heck,she could have had secret service security and a pack of rabid attack wolves with bee hives in their mouths and lived in a castle with a mote and motherfucking lazer turrets, and I still woulda done it lol.And don't say you wouldn't have right away.If you remember anything about being that age,it's that hormones have more of a say then that rational part of yer brain does...You know,that part that thinks things through and assess risk...yeah,that part of yer brain is a little defective during puberty and up till early adulthood.thank god we grow out of it(well,some of us that don't get shot while shtooping some ones daughter)

shit,just take a look at what you wore back then and tell me you weren't an annoying dumb ass twat when you were younger...and if it's the same shit you wear now,well,then there's a good chance yer an annoying dumb ass twat lol(he says wearing pants he bought from the thrift store when he was 14)

We give the dead kid a pass cause he was 17, we kid the girl a pass because she is 16,
we give his parents a pass cause doesn't everyone let their teenagers run around at 2am?
But we put the father under the microscope because he isn't psychic.

Or is it really that some people hate guns so much that they want to fry anyone using one
to hell with the situation.


how many of us would be dead if this situation repeated itself on a regular basis?

how many teenagers would be dead if this was the normal, expected response?

American streets would be jammed with hearses full of dead kids if every time a father caught their daughter/ son in a compromising position they decided to shoot the other kid involved.

Pro gunners must be Olympic standard gymnasts given the number of hoops they jump through to justify all the unnecessary shooting that goes on

230 AM
daughter said she didn't know him
kid grabbed for something
this happens all the time?

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 5:29:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


~ FR ~

Let me see if I have the non-disputed part of this story correct. An underage 16-year old girl invites a boy to sneak into her bedroom at night while her father is home, and the idiot thinks this is a good idea. Cue a Darwin Award right there.

The rest of the story seems clouded by conflicting reports, but even granting that stupidity is not a capital offense, it is often rewarded.

So as we rush to line up the people responsible for this little drama, let's not forget the role played by Johran McCormick himself, who knowingly snuck into a house uninvited by its owners in furtherance of a purpose which was against their will.

K.


to be fair,aren't we all darwin award nominees at the age of 16?
I know I did alota stupid and dangerous shit back then just to try to impress girls.

if one had actually asked me to sneak into her room,I'm sure I woulda done it.heck,she could have had secret service security and a pack of rabid attack wolves with bee hives in their mouths and lived in a castle with a mote and motherfucking lazer turrets, and I still woulda done it lol.And don't say you wouldn't have right away.If you remember anything about being that age,it's that hormones have more of a say then that rational part of yer brain does...You know,that part that thinks things through and assess risk...yeah,that part of yer brain is a little defective during puberty and up till early adulthood.thank god we grow out of it(well,some of us that don't get shot while shtooping some ones daughter)

shit,just take a look at what you wore back then and tell me you weren't an annoying dumb ass twat when you were younger...and if it's the same shit you wear now,well,then there's a good chance yer an annoying dumb ass twat lol(he says wearing pants he bought from the thrift store when he was 14)

We give the dead kid a pass cause he was 17, we kid the girl a pass because she is 16,
we give his parents a pass cause doesn't everyone let their teenagers run around at 2am?
But we put the father under the microscope because he isn't psychic.

Or is it really that some people hate guns so much that they want to fry anyone using one
to hell with the situation.


how many of us would be dead if this situation repeated itself on a regular basis?

how many teenagers would be dead if this was the normal, expected response?

American streets would be jammed with hearses full of dead kids if every time a father caught their daughter/ son in a compromising position they decided to shoot the other kid involved.

Pro gunners must be Olympic standard gymnasts given the number of hoops they jump through to justify all the unnecessary shooting that goes on

230 AM
daughter said she didn't know him
kid grabbed for something
this happens all the time?


meh, spin it as I'm sure you will but 2 teenagers were doing what teenagers do and one of them is now dead.

It might seem right to you, it doesn't to me but then I don't live in a world where I'm assuming every altercation will end up with someone dead which you and some others here do

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 5:33:18 PM   
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We give the dead kid a pass cause he was 17, we give the girl a pass because she is 16,
we give his parents a pass cause doesn't everyone let their teenagers run around at 2am?
But we put the father under the microscope because he isn't psychic.


how many of us would be dead if this situation repeated itself on a regular basis?

how many teenagers would be dead if this was the normal, expected response?

American streets would be jammed with hearses full of dead kids if every time a father caught their daughter/ son in a compromising position they decided to shoot the other kid involved.

Pro gunners must be Olympic standard gymnasts given the number of hoops they jump through to justify all the unnecessary shooting that goes on

Does this imply that it is right to give everyone but the father a pass in spite of the fact that it was
their screw ups that created the situation?

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 5:36:20 PM   
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No, but it does imply that a father who's incapable of dealing with a 17 year old boy by any means short of shooting him is such a hopeless pussy that it's a wonder his daughter wasn't getting raped.

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 5:37:04 PM   
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OK, see, there's this trigger-thingy on guns, and you have to pull it for the gun to shoot.

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