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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 6:31:38 PM   
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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 6:58:50 PM   
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dump it all on the father
who was the second victim here.


Fucking hell!

There is only one victim here, the dead kid.

How complicated is it?

From seeing the number of people who can't see that the father, who was hospitalized, is also a victim
it must be very complicated. To much of he had a gun so he can't be a victim.



"The shooter was taken to the hospital with a panic attack".

not because he was beaten and battered but presumably ( none of us know all the facts) because he was in some sort of trauma after killing a child.

Please don't try an spin the dad as a hospitalised victim in this.

The victim is the dead kid

The kid went for his gun after he had done everything he could to not have to shoot him.
Doesn't it seem that just possibly it was the kids fault.

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 7:11:08 PM   
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Does anyone here not comprehend that the fact that something
is not the 100% best of all possible outcomes does not mean it is not
justified under the law?


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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 7:30:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		There was another case recently in Texas in which a man killed someone he had caught in the act of raping his daughter. The Grand Jury decided that charges should not be brought (and rightfully so), and that case was dropped.

If her father to reasonably believed she was being molested as a result of his daughters words; then this case should have the same result: no charges filed.

From what we know at present though, that's still very much a big "if".

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 7:49:26 PM   
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Boy drops his hands/arms and dad pulls the trigger.

Let me see if I have this straight. Having been caught in somebody's house without their knowledge or permission, and held at gunpoint by an understandably displeased homeowner -- who, let it be said, has not shot him and is doing exactly what he should do, namely calling 911 -- the young genius drops his hands?

I don't know whether or laugh or cry.

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 8:51:45 PM   
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Boy drops his hands/arms and dad pulls the trigger.

Let me see if I have this straight. Having been caught in somebody's house without their knowledge or permission, and held at gunpoint by an understandably displeased homeowner -- who, let it be said, has not shot him and is doing exactly what he should do, namely calling 911 -- the young genius drops his hands?

I don't know whether or laugh or cry.

K.




That's what I thought.

At least one poster has implied that dear old dad was just looking to shoot an intruder, or that having had the chance to shoot and intruder with his gun, the man was pouring a beer, calling his friends for a party to celebrate.

Short of tying the teen up in some fashion, or other wise restraining him so that there was no possible way that he could be a threat, therefore eliminating the need of the pistol, I am not sure I would have not pulled the trigger.

But while I am a psychopathic gun owning blood thirsty human who has had a taste of killing in combat and longs to do it again (the implied emotional and mental state by some) I believe I have taken reasonable precautions to avoid the necessity of killing some fool that happens to break into my home.

1) I have replaced both doors of this modular home with better doors, metal frame, metal door, no windows in the doors. The doors will stop a breaching ram,

2) Due to the damage from a hail storm, I replaced the windows with polycarbonate that will stop a 45 round, which would make it hard to break the windows.

Finally there are nine dogs in the house, two large, one medium to large and the rest are built to attack intruders below the knee.

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 10:01:03 PM   
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Boy drops his hands/arms and dad pulls the trigger.

Let me see if I have this straight. Having been caught in somebody's house without their knowledge or permission, and held at gunpoint by an understandably displeased homeowner -- who, let it be said, has not shot him and is doing exactly what he should do, namely calling 911 -- the young genius drops his hands?

I don't know whether or laugh or cry.

K.




That's what I thought.

At least one poster has implied that dear old dad was just looking to shoot an intruder, or that having had the chance to shoot and intruder with his gun, the man was pouring a beer, calling his friends for a party to celebrate.

Short of tying the teen up in some fashion, or other wise restraining him so that there was no possible way that he could be a threat, therefore eliminating the need of the pistol, I am not sure I would have not pulled the trigger.

But while I am a psychopathic gun owning blood thirsty human who has had a taste of killing in combat and longs to do it again (the implied emotional and mental state by some) I believe I have taken reasonable precautions to avoid the necessity of killing some fool that happens to break into my home.

1) I have replaced both doors of this modular home with better doors, metal frame, metal door, no windows in the doors. The doors will stop a breaching ram,

2) Due to the damage from a hail storm, I replaced the windows with polycarbonate that will stop a 45 round, which would make it hard to break the windows.

Finally there are nine dogs in the house, two large, one medium to large and the rest are built to attack intruders below the knee.

I live in a more urban area than you and lack your financial resources.
However for about three years the thugs would cross to the other side of the street when they got
to my house.
Last year I was adopted by a Rott/Doberman mix, and they don't come down my street anymore.

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 11:01:07 PM   
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To me or the father is guilty of murder or the daughter is guilty of manslaughter.

And of course the 17 year old is innocent as a lamb


yes! he was invited in the house by a family member!

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 11:12:23 PM   
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To me or the father is guilty of murder or the daughter is guilty of manslaughter.

And of course the 17 year old is innocent as a lamb


yes! he was invited in the house by a family member!

A Not by the homeowner, that would be the parents.
B Not to the fathers knowledge so it has no bearing on his actions.

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 11:18:13 PM   
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To me or the father is guilty of murder or the daughter is guilty of manslaughter.

And of course the 17 year old is innocent as a lamb


yes! he was invited in the house by a family member!

Don't you think that the girl should have told her parents that
a strange guy was coming over at 2 am?
If I had a 16 year old daughter and found a stranger in her room at 2:30
I really doubt my first thought would be I bet she invited him over so I will just go mind my on business.
Doesn't matter that the kid tried to take the gun away.
And if he would go after a man with a gun he just might go after an unarmed man.

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 11:19:36 PM   
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To me or the father is guilty of murder or the daughter is guilty of manslaughter.

And of course the 17 year old is innocent as a lamb


yes! he was invited in the house by a family member!

If he was so innocent why did he sneak in.

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/17/2014 11:25:01 PM   
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To me or the father is guilty of murder or the daughter is guilty of manslaughter.

And of course the 17 year old is innocent as a lamb


yes! he was invited in the house by a family member!

Don't you think that the girl should have told her parents that
a strange guy was coming over at 2 am?
If I had a 16 year old daughter and found a stranger in her room at 2:30
I really doubt my first thought would be I bet she invited him over so I will just go mind my on business.
Doesn't matter that the kid tried to take the gun away.
And if he would go after a man with a gun he just might go after an unarmed man.

its obvious that you have never had a 16 year old daughter.
or been in any position similar, otherwise you would know something about what happens when daddy dear catches his female child in a "delicate" position.
Shooting only comes into it when daddy dear has a handful of super stupid handy dandy boyfriend destroyer.


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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/18/2014 2:44:07 AM   
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HARRIS COUNTY, Texas -- A Spring-area family believed a dad didn't have to kill their son after catching him inside his daughter's bedroom early Thursday morning.

"I would like my baby back, but I know that's not possible," said Zakia McCormick. "A call you know, I'm sorry. He didn't deserve to die like that."

17-year-old Johran McCormick was shot inside a Spring-area home on Bridgestone Lakes subdivision off FM 2920.

Harris County Precinct 4 Deputy Constables were the first to respond after someone called 911 around 2:30 a.m. The Harris County Sheriff’s Office also responded to the shooting.

Investigators said the father accused in the shooting woke up to find McCormick in his 16-year-old daughter’s bedroom.

According to detectives, his 16-year-old daughter let McCormick in the house and snuck him into her bedroom.

Her younger brother went to say good night and saw two feet sticking out under the bed, detectives said. He then went to get his father.

The father walked in and asked questions, but his daughter claimed to not know McCormick. The father then called 911, but an argument ensued with the teenage boy.

The father told deputies that McCormick dropped his hands as if to grab something, so the man opened fire. The teen died at the scene.

No other injuries were reported, but the father was transported to the hospital to be checked out for medical reasons as he complained that he was not feeling well.

Constables said the man appeared to be on several medications. Neighbors of the family were torn on what the father did.

"As a mom, I just can't imagine," said Letica Field. "I know the dad was trying to protect the family, but he should have let the authorities handle it."

The family recently moved to the house from a nearby neighborhood.

HCSO investigators said they will present their findings to the Harris County Grand Jury for its consideration

http://www.khou.com/news/local/Deputy-constables-Dad-shoots-teen-boy-found-in-daughters-bedroom-250041711.html


Seems to me that, the fact that he SHOT THE KID shows that she was correct to fear the consequences of telling the truth! and its still only heresay that she reportedly claimed not to know him.


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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/18/2014 3:37:34 AM   
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Her younger brother went to say good night and saw two feet sticking out under the bed

I rest my case.

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/18/2014 3:40:02 AM   
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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/18/2014 3:55:18 AM   
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Seriously, Lucy, the man is told by his son that the boy saw feet sticking out from under his sister's bed, in circumstances where she obviously would have put on the pretense of not knowing anyone was in room. What is any parent's first thought going to be? And even then, the father didn't shoot him. He held him hands-up at gunpoint and called 911. I don't know what more anyone could ask of the man. All the kid had to do was keep his fucking hands up, and he'd have won free transportation and an overnight stay at one of the city's popular accommodations.

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/18/2014 4:05:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		I do think so. Duh. A pissed off dad should have gone in, demanded the kid crawl out, verbally put the fear of god in him--it's not hard to intimidate a 17 year old--warn him off, call his parents.

Nope. A firearm changed that, and it became an ego battle. Yeah, the kid made a poor choice to lower his hands. What the fuck--he was going for what exactly? His dick?

Sorry. Daddy is not the brightest bulb. And a gun made him dumber.

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/18/2014 4:09:36 AM   
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and yeah, lol that would be MY first reaction, they werent gonna be playing tiddley winks.
if she was in fear, had screamed, cried out, before he walked in, I can see him shooting without question, but as a mother, let alone a father, I certainly wouldnt have been satisfied with a no I dont know him answer.
16 year olds are NOT someone any parent should believe offhand, with a gun
but, then no one seems to give a shit about daddy dearests responsibilities,




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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/18/2014 4:12:31 AM   
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he could have "secured" the boy/"rapist" "strange monster" and got the truth out of the daughter when he was : but no, boy moves... hes entitled to shoot him in the head

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RE: Another shooting of an unarmed teen... - 3/18/2014 4:13:57 AM   
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The gunnertia (in tandum with rightie-bigots) turned a boy returning (to his home) from the store w/ candy into a drug addled, scary black monster/thug.....


So I`m not surprised with the creative excuses and repugnant qualifications....

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