jlf1961
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
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ORIGINAL: Raiikun
Of course, from what is known so far, it's too soon to definitively call this a murder.
yes it is
no doubt
but its not to early to call him a killer
Gee, you already have him convicted of murder in many of your posts? Or have you forgotten your statements "justification for murder" and similar statements?
And yet you seem to know exactly what was going on in his mind at the very second the trigger was pulled.
Everything the man did prior to that second is irrelevant up to that point. Every act, not shooting the boy when he found him in the room and being told by his daughter she did not know him. Calling the authorities, and he still has not shot anyone. He actually was trying to find out what the fuck was going on, according to investigators, not trying to shoot the kid.
None that seems to matter to you, just the fact that he pulled the trigger, and your statement "justification for murder."
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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ
But none of you, who feel the father was justified, was ever in a compromising situation with a young lady when you were a teenager?
You were never in her house when her parents were asleep or away, or visiting when she was babysitting?
Never?
And if so, did the possibility of being killed by a parental figure ever seriously enter your mind?
Well, no actually.
I snuck out of the house, usually to go down to the barn and smoke a joint.
But sneak into my girlfriend's home when her parents were asleep, hell no. I can honestly say that none of the guys I went to high school with did either. But then I grew up in a time when one respected one's parents, and the parents of others. At least when it came to what went one under the family roof.
There is also the fact that I went to a rural school. Very few city kids. In high school, with the exception of Saturday night, my time was taken up with football practice four days a week, the game on Friday, and Saturday evening was my time.
I went on dates, concerts all that good stuff.
And of course there were two types of girls in my high school, those that did, and those that didnt. Did I nail a few of the girls that did, yeah, just about every guy on the football team did.
At drive ins (outdoor movie theaters for you young people,) the parking area on steamboat mountain (not a mountain and there is no river anywhere near here you can put a steam boat on) and it was either in the back of my '66 charger (great car, back seats folded flat) or in the back seat of my crew cab pick up.
Of course I grew up pre cell phone, pre computer. You know back in the days when phones had cords, tvs were large, and there was no fucking way to set up sneaking into someone's house.
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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ
If one does not have adequate control over one's emotions or if one is going to be taken over by adrenaline and lose their ability for rational thought, then one shouldn't have a gun in one's possession.
Period.
So in order to own a gun one must have absolute perfect control of emotions and physiological responses?
Might I point out yet once more, prior to the instant that trigger was pulled, the man had been following a rational behavior?
He called the cops when he found the boy, he tried to find out just what the fuck was going on, while waiting for the police to arrive.
All of that seems perfectly rational to me, a completely unnatural response for a blood drinking gun owning extremist that just owns a gun to kill people and the fact he was in the perfect legal position to kill the boy....
So tell me, why didnt he shoot the boy when he entered the bedroom?
Under Texas law, he could have, legally.
Why did he call the police instead of shooting the boy?
Why was there a "heated" argument going on prior to the shooting?
Where was the irrational behavior during that period of time?
And of course there is no reason to be angry or emotional at finding a strange boy in your daughter's room at 2:30 in the morning on a school night that you had no clue was even in the house?
Arbitrarily declaring gun owners as blood thirsty psychopaths is about as intelligent as calling non gun owners a victim waiting to be raped, murdered or have the crap beaten out of them.
To believe that a gun owner should be better than every other citizen in the United States at controlling emotions, physiological responses, passion, fear, and whatever else goes on in the mind of a person in a stressful situation is equally unrealistic.
And to imply that 55 year old father wanted some reason to kill that boy with his gun, is just as stupid as putting a milk bucket under a bull and expecting sweet cream.
Unless they are a sociopath or a psychopath, no gun owner wants to kill another human being.
Hell no soldier joins the military just because he will have the chance to kill someone.
If that were true, you wouldn't have so many combat vets committing suicide because of things they seen or did while in combat zones.
Unfortunately, as a former army sniper, I know exactly how many men I have killed. I was looking through a high power scope at the man when I pulled the trigger.
And for doing my duty, I get rewarded with nightmares, regret, remorse, guilt, and a range of emotions that I cant even put a name to.
I also know better than many just what goes through your mind when you pull the trigger with the intent to kill someone.
For the record, I felt Zimmerman was guilty, and I said that in every thread that was on the boards about the case. I think the popcorn shooter is guilty, simply because it does not seem that the theater was so crowded he and his wife could not change seats.
In this case, I have repeatedly said the boy should not be dead. I have also repeatedly pointed out the law as it is written in Texas, for the protection of property and family members, also who has the final say as who can come into a home, and it is not a 16 year old girl.
Going just by the statements from the authorities, this man went out of his way not to shoot, but something happened in a split second and he pulled the trigger.
I also pointed out that legally, there was no statutory rape, under the age of consent law in Texas.
And I still want to know why, considering how easy it was to sneak the boy in to the home, didnt she just sneak out? Hell when I was growing up, sneaking out of the house and back in without getting caught was something to brag about.
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