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LadyConstanze -> RE: Can overeating be an addiction? (3/18/2014 9:06:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan Oh that is so true, Alexis. Salt draws the flavours out and they throw it in copiously. Perhaps it's b/c they live in warmer climates and sweat more, losing sodium so feel they have to put more in their foods, maybe I'm an idiot that really doesn't know what I'm talking about (highly possible!). When I'm in Italy I drink copiously, in excess of 5 litres a day. And I think therein is the key. .. balance and it's clear that some of us have difficulty doing achieving it. quote: ORIGINAL: AlexisANew I agree that Italians eat a lot healthier than their American or British cousins when it comes to the consumption of fat but I live on the border of Italy and as a cook, I often find myself working in Italian kitchens. They always put a good 3 tablespoons of salt in their pasta water and they always use some of that water in their sauces so it twins well with the pasta. Italians eat far too much salt. They have a lot of government health warnings on Italian tv advising them to lower their salt intake. I'm half Italian and actually grew up with using salt sparingly, what I found if Italian food goes to other countries, they "adapt" often and then start using salt like a spice, of course you add a bit of salt when cooking your pasta, but they do tend to use herbs that are naturally salty tasting a lot.

ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Can overeating be an addiction? (3/18/2014 9:12:19 AM)
FR: Of course eating can be an addiction. People tend to overeat for the same reasons they gamble or do drugs or smoke cigarette, it makes them feel good. And of course eating empty calories (think sugar, fats, additives to make things taste better, processed foods of all kinds) makes the body think it's starving. It's a double whammy. Your metabolism goes way down, but since all those calories are empty, you're become hungry again very soon. Eating the high sugar, high fat, processed food diet (like most US diets) results in obesity very quickly, b/c your body wants and craves those empty calories for the reasons already discussed. The really bad thing about having this particular addiction is that you can't go cold turkey and never eat again. You have to eat. Which means you fight your addiction several times a day for the rest of your life. The best thing you can do if you're overweight is eat often, but make it the right foods. Something as simple as cutting out sugar and processed food will improve your diet 500%. If you have a sugar addiction, you will crave sugar like a junkie if you stop consuming it. Substitute fruits and natural sugars (like honey) and try to slowly taper yourself off that as best you can. If you have a sweet tooth like me, you might have to resign yourself to ingesting more natural sugar than is good for you. However, I strongly believe it you combine that with a non-processed food diet, and remember to exercise, you can still be healthy.

kalikshama -> RE: Can overeating be an addiction? (3/18/2014 9:29:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: The Food Industry is definitely not responsible for what you eat. You are. I'm always suspicious of statements that load all the responsibility onto the individual because, of course, the flip side of that is that it absolves the corporations involved. These are corporations that have vast power, economic resources and finely-honed skills of persuasion that no individual can match. Every time I see the question asked, in any context, 'Hey, what about the responsibility of the individual?' I always think, 'Hey, what about the responsibility of the corporation?'. Subway spends millions of dollars telling us "Subway is healthy!" But they don't tell us their bread contains an additive which is also used in yoga mats. Subway Phasing Out Bread Additive After Blogger Flags Health Concerns Food industry, beware of the power of the online petition. Just a few days after food blogger Vani Hari, known as Food Babe, created a buzz with an raising questions about the safety of a food additive commonly used in commercial baking, sandwich giant Subway has announced plans to phase it out of its fresh-baked breads. The additive, azodicarbonamide, is used by the commercial baking industry to bleach flour and condition dough. But as the petition points out, the compound has been phased out in many other countries, and the World Health Organization has linked it to asthma in people. A spokesperson for Subway told us in an email, "We are already in the process of removing azodicarbonamide as part of our bread improvement efforts, despite the fact that it is a USDA and FDA approved ingredient." One of the things the online petition points out — which probably helped get people alarmed about this additive — is that azodicarbonamide is also used in the manufacturing of yoga mats and shoe rubber. And while Subway is removing the substance, many other food companies still use it in their products. Read more: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/02/06/272455631/subway-phasing-out-bread-additive-after-blogger-flags-health-concerns

kalikshama -> RE: Can overeating be an addiction? (3/18/2014 9:34:36 AM)
Thanks to Jon Stewart for letting me know about that story. Watch Jon Stewart Learn What's in His Favorite Fast Foods [image]http://cdn.cstatic.net/gridnailer/500x/http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/53075f1bf92ea17a2500c0e0/jon-stewart-daily-show-subway.jpg[/image] Last night on the Daily Show host Jon Stewart was thwarted in his efforts to have a mid-show snack by various recalls and product changes. Before settling into a sandwich from Subway, Stewart learns that Subway is in the process of removing a chemical from their bread that is also used in yoga mats: "Yoga mats, huh? Maybe that's why every time I eat at Subway I end up in the bathroom in the lotus position." Stewart doesn't fare any better with Kraft American Singles, whose artificial preservatives will be replaced with a "natural mold inhibitor," or Hot Pockets, which have been recalled due to "diseased and unsound" beef. Shocked that Hot Pockets are not just made from "stuff they found in their pockets," Stewart wonders if his favorite flavors like Ham & Bottlecap and Lint & Canadian Pennies have been recalled too. Go, watch: http://eater.com/archives/2014/02/21/watch-jon-stewart-learn-whats-in-his-favorite-fast-foods.php

LadyConstanze -> RE: Can overeating be an addiction? (3/18/2014 9:39:26 AM)
quote: Eating the high sugar, high fat, processed food diet (like most US diets) results in obesity very quickly, b/c your body wants and craves those empty calories for the reasons already discussed. The really bad thing about having this particular addiction is that you can't go cold turkey and never eat again. You have to eat. Which means you fight your addiction several times a day for the rest of your life. That's absolutely sensible advise, the only problem with that is that about 80% of the people want the instant gratification, they don't want to go the slow route and losing weight in a healthy and controlled manner, that also won't harm your health, so they go on crazy fad diets where they might lose weight quickly, only you can't deprive your body of essential nutrition for a long time, or live on pineapples, cabbage soup and what not for the rest of your life.

ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Can overeating be an addiction? (3/18/2014 9:49:52 AM)
Of course they want the instant gratification. That's part of what they are addicted to, and part of why it's so hard to eat normally. Most especially after YEARS of eating wrong. But you can do it. If you can get your body past the craving stage, you will stop craving junk. You will get to the point where all those food additives don't appeal in the least.

kalikshama -> RE: Can overeating be an addiction? (3/18/2014 9:51:18 AM)
quote: I don't think that we move less (in general) than the generation of our grandparents, 50 years ago not everybody was working on a farm or doing physical labour, they certainly didn't do quite as much sports as we do now, there weren't as many public swimming pools available or gyms, what has changed dramatically is the food and what we eat. In America anyway, we have changed both what we eat and how much we exercise. (Yes, you weren't talking about 100 years ago, but I have included that as a starting place.) 100 Years Ago, Exercise Was Blended Into Daily Life More than half of Americans are couch potatoes — people who routinely get less than 30 minutes a day of exercise. An amazing fact of modern life is that we don't have to move around to do anything. Researchers say 100 years ago, people got five times more exercise every day, just in the course of daily living. Study: Today's Moms Less Active Than Previous Generations PHILADELPHIA (CBS)–According to a study published in the December issue of Mayo Clinic Proceedings, today’s moms are less active than in the past. The research observed mothers’ activity levels over 45 years. The information came from the American Heritage Time Use Study, which tracks how moms spend their time outside of employment. The study reveals that in 2010 mothers of children between ages five and 18 spent 11 fewer hours doing physical activities, such as laundry and exercise, than mothers in 1965. Mothers of kids less than five-years-old spent 14 fewer hours doing physical activities than their past counterparts. According to the study, modern moms may be using that extra time to do more stationary tasks, such as watching television. Moms of older children spent seven more hours doing less-strenuous tasks, like driving, than moms did in 1965. Today’s moms raising kids under five increased their sedentary time by six hours over past moms. Moms of younger kids went from spending 27 more hours a week participating in physical activity than inactive activity in 1965 to just doing seven more hours a week engaging in physical rather than inactive activity. The authors of the study notice that the decline in physical tasks may be contributing to the country’s obesity problem. Government estimates show that more than one-third of U.S. adults are obese.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Can overeating be an addiction? (3/18/2014 10:10:13 AM)
I've always been a "city dweller" so walking to most places is normal, in LA I couldn't walk anywhere because cars would stop and ask me if my car broke down and if I need help, I got a pair of inline skates for exclusive use in LA (parked in the garage of a friend). It's actually just little things that can make a difference, cutting out sodas or sugary snacks, using stairs instead of elevators and lifts... My grandparents didn't go to gyms, they played sports but not an awful lot, compared to them I'm a lot more physically active than my grandmother was, we're having the same built (I inherited her vintage couture as mom is very tall and not busty enough), grandma never excercised much because for her generation and background, being tanned and muscular was actually very undesirable for women, looking at old pics of her, it looks like me dressed up in the fashion of her day, same genetic problems (thyroid, tendency to have gall colics if we eat certain foods, always battling and being a bit close to being anemic), so the only difference is really what we eat.

kdsub -> RE: Can overeating be an addiction? (3/18/2014 12:58:49 PM)
I think many will agree with you and so do I to some extent...but I also think many use the addiction bit to hide their lack of self control. Butch

OsideGirl -> RE: Can overeating be an addiction? (3/18/2014 1:36:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub but I also think many use the addiction bit to hide their lack of self control. Okay, but addiction is pretty much defined as a lack of self control. ie: noun-the condition of being abnormally dependent on some habit

UllrsIshtar -> RE: Can overeating be an addiction? (3/18/2014 2:35:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama But they don't tell us their bread contains an additive which is also used in yoga mats. I hate when people go into these scares of "Oh no, they're using this chemical that's also used into this inedible thing in food!!! That MUST be bad!" Water, salt, acetic acid, and so on, are ALSO all used to make plastics... that doesn't mean you shouldn't eat them.

PeonForHer -> RE: Can overeating be an addiction? (3/18/2014 4:35:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub I think many will agree with you and so do I to some extent...but I also think many use the addiction bit to hide their lack of self control. Interesting. To me, I'd suppose that use of the word 'addiction' in relation to overeating would be helpful: it'd help the overeater realise what he or she is up against, thereby taking it more seriously.

MercTech -> RE: Can overeating be an addiction? (3/18/2014 8:19:51 PM)
Frankly, a behavior or substance being addictive means that using self control bloody well doesn't work. It takes more than self control to get a life changed.

MissMorrigan -> RE: Can overeating be an addiction? (3/19/2014 12:00:51 AM)
What I have noticed in a few of the replies is judgemental scorn because this is food-related, because let's be real, a great many people are under the misconception that those who have food-related issues are either bathroom vomiters or lazy Mickey D gorgers. if it were a discussion regarding alcoholism, sex or any other form of addiction it would be treated with a greater understanding.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Can overeating be an addiction? (3/19/2014 12:31:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan What I have noticed in a few of the replies is judgemental scorn because this is food-related, because let's be real, a great many people are under the misconception that those who have food-related issues are either bathroom vomiters or lazy Mickey D gorgers. if it were a discussion regarding alcoholism, sex or any other form of addiction it would be treated with a greater understanding. I've been avoiding this thread because I was afraid it would devolve into another "fat thread" (and apparently, it is heading that way). I will say this: I think addiction to food is worse than any of the others; we need food to live. As opposed to alcohol or heroin (with the exception of Jerry Garcia), we can avoid these substances, if we wish to save our lives but food *must* be a part of our life. People who have a food addiction must constantly "play on the railroad tracks" and hope to keep dodging the train. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

AlexisANew -> RE: Can overeating be an addiction? (3/19/2014 2:14:55 AM)
I agree with DaddySatyr. I have an addictive personality which means giving up 15 years of smoking was more difficult than it is for many. I then became addicted to the nicorette gum I used to help me!. I used to drink a glass of wine each night but then it became two glasses and then three. I realized it was becoming a problem when I ran out one night after finishing the second glass and grabbing my coat with the intention of walking a mile in the rain to buy another bottle. I've been addicted to sites like this. I have to try really hard not to get distracted by CM when other things need doing and I have been addicted to the adrenalin rush I get from BDSM to a point where it became unhealthy because to get that much wanted kick, I started stepping onto what could be seen as dangerous territory. The one thing I've never been addicted to is food. Although I adore cooking and thats my job, I hate that feeling of fullness from over eating, I've never liked sweets, cakes, biscuits or soda and I've never (even when pregnant) craved a food, I'm pretty sure if I had, I'd be a super sized woman

LadyConstanze -> RE: Can overeating be an addiction? (3/19/2014 2:35:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissMorrigan What I have noticed in a few of the replies is judgemental scorn because this is food-related, because let's be real, a great many people are under the misconception that those who have food-related issues are either bathroom vomiters or lazy Mickey D gorgers. if it were a discussion regarding alcoholism, sex or any other form of addiction it would be treated with a greater understanding. I don't think anybody said they are all the same, but I think for the ones who make the bad food choices and don't care, it's a bit unfair to lump them in with others who are actively doing something. I've got friends who are struggling and they have issues, however I also know a few who don't care and will tell you that cooking is too much of an effort, sink pints of beer frequently (yeah that stuff so doesn't make you fat) but then complain about the world. One girl is in her mid 20's and complains about having trouble conceiving and that her GP and OB Gyn both told her she needs to lose weight first, even if she would get pregnant (her BMI is over 40) she'd be putting herself and the child at risk and that as she's more or less pre-diabetic, her BP is far too high, she needs to cut down on salt, saturated fats, processed foods, she was outraged, she didn't ask them for diet advise, she just wants to get pregnant. Her partner was suggesting he takes over cooking and she would spend so much less money instead of having take outs almost every night and suggested to remove all the unhealthy stuff (crisps, chocolate, frozen ready meals...) from the house, she almost broke up with him, he wasn't 'supportive", her docs aren't supportive as they don't give her magic slimming pills but suggested a balanced diet and offered to sign her up for free classes regarding nutrition and hydrotherapy. We actually all liked her and most of us tried to include her in activities, but if it has anything to do with fresh air and even just a gentle walk, she's not interested. Her dog, it's close to animal cruelty, the only exercise he gets is being let out in her small garden and she feeds him what she eats, it's a wheezing dog and we looked after him for 3 days while she was away, he stropped as we fed him the dog food for older dogs (calorie reduced), the dog park is 10 minutes away, the dog was exhausted when we arrived there and sat there panting, Labs like to eat but they also tend to be active dogs, a medium sized Labrador with 70 kilos is not right. I like the girl and I hate watching her kill herself (and the dog) but I just can't feel sorry for her, apparently I must be a masochist because I take walks and occasionally work out, I don't know how to live because we might get a take out meal maybe once a month, my other half must be so miserable (he has weight issues and is happy that I'm supportive). On her own she's OK but when she's with her 2 best friends, I try to avoid her, they're the same size and they are always running their mouths. I'm everything but super skinny, but they keep making nasty comments, anything from "We do bigger poos than you are" to the usual that I'm too afraid to live because I avoid fast food, I must be starving myself... So now I tend to avoid them as a pack, which means of course that I'm the typical "skinny cow" and arrogant, duh, why would anybody seek out the company of somebody who's just heaping insults on you? I mean really? I know it could all be just some defence mechanism, but I'm just sick of it and sick of "Oh it's genetic, the whole world is getting bigger, diets don't work anyway" - I agree with the diets, they usually don't work, but undisciplined eating and avoiding to move and then their tale of woes about the size of seats everywhere and why don't all clothing manufacturers make clothes in their sizes... Easier to just avoid them than listen to their insults and biting my tongue...

JeffBC -> RE: Can overeating be an addiction? (3/19/2014 8:45:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl Okay, but addiction is pretty much defined as a lack of self control. ie: noun-the condition of being abnormally dependent on some habit This. Most of this thread has left me wondering if anyone posting actually understands what the word "addiction" means.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Can overeating be an addiction? (3/19/2014 8:52:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl Okay, but addiction is pretty much defined as a lack of self control. ie: noun-the condition of being abnormally dependent on some habit This. Most of this thread has left me wondering if anyone posting actually understands what the word "addiction" means. Basically something where you need to break free from your habit and must have the will to do so, giving people special rights because they have an addiction isn't encouraging them to break it. Last time I checked claiming that it's an addiction didn't work for smokers, drinkers or junkies....

cloudboy -> RE: Can overeating be an addiction? (3/19/2014 10:10:25 AM)
Wow. Well said. Staying fit requires constant discipline. There's just no way around it.

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