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she had to have let several things expire to have been up against it like he claims.

A few thoughts:

-- The verb "had to have" lands us in the realm of conjecture, not fact.

-- What were those "several things" that she "had to have let expire"?

-- I'm seeing a pattern in your posts lately: Anyone who might pose an inconvenient counter-example to what you're selling must be character-assassinated. An unarmed teen shot by a "neighborhood watchman" who got in over his head must become a thug, an animal. An unarmed Alzheimer's patient who can't even open a door must become an invader ala the Visigoths, and his exhausted, grieving wife a negligent spouse. And now an elderly lady trying to do her patriotic duty and vote must become a fool for not shelling out to renew a DL she didn't need.

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Of course, what the investigation uncovered were that laws already on the books simply aren't being properly investigated and enforced by the duly-empowered authorities. Not to mention that a significant number of these "illegal voters" had been registered by their respective BMV's without their knowledge.

But please, don't let the failure of election boards to enforce laws they're supposed to be enforcing in the first place when it comes to a few hundred people get in the way of erecting barriers that will keep thousands if not millions of legal voters from Democratic-leaning demographics from casting ballots. Because, I'd bet dollars to donuts it won't be white voters who are challenged at the polls in red states to show their papers.

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ORIGINAL: Arturas

This is really simple. You are trying on purpose to make it hard. You need a birth certificate even if you never vote. You cannot get a SSN without it. You cannot work a job without an SSN. You therefore must have one. If you do not then you must make the effort to get one. So, even if there were no voter fraud occurrences, one needs to have a birth certificate as the basic primary overriding uber this is it no shit document to prove who you are.

That's it and if you want to vote then you need one so, let me hear you say it with me, so you can prove who you are and we want to prove who we are, don't we because we are all responsible citizens of the U.S. just like all the Europeans have to have such a thing to prove who they are when they vote, yes folks, the leftist ever social amazing Europeans must have a birth certificate no matter what and you can stuff that "oh, it is soooo hard and oh, I am black and poor and was born in the swamps of Louisiana and we did not have any doctor or paper or even nothing except a hut and nobody could read twice and boo hooo it's so mean to make me, a poor black Hispanic Seminole Indian Native American to get up off my butt, write the office of vital statistics in the state in which you were born and start that somewhat lengthy but certainly doable process to get your birth certificate because you want to vote like a responsible citizen and so every responsible citizen has a birth certificate if they want to prove who they are. There, no need to define an alternate universe where you just walk up with an old electric bill from somewhere and vote for the name on it.

Okay, we got it now everyone? In other words get your shit together and quit blaming someone else because you have obviously mistaken Americans for fools who give a shit that you don't want to get a birth certificate before you vote and would rather whine to the press or the Most Reverend Al Sharpton or the Even More Reverend Jessie "secret love child" Jackson and have them run up and down the cable news networks crying about the unreasonable GOP trying to make people do unreasonable things, like get their fucking birth certificate for crying out loud so shut the fuck up and get your shit together, get a birth certificate for crying out loud cause we are fucking tired of hearing the sob story and we got other things to do, like repeal the mess and you know which one it is.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD
Last year they convicted nearly a dozen poll workers in Ohio of voting fraud with them and their friends
voting multiple times.
CA is notorious for turning a blind eye to illegals voting.
Without Voter ID it is very hard to catch voter fraud.
In 2000 Democratic districts in St Louis and KC were allowed
to stay open longer than those in "outstate" MO (of course that would be fixed by
an unemployed and jailed judge rather than by id) In 08 there was film of voter intimidation
in Philly but holder declined to prosecute in part, according to some in DOJ
because Holder thought it would send the wrong message if they prosecuted blacks for this.
In 2012 the man at the center of the video was named as a poll worker.
Just because it isn't given lots of attention doesn't mean it isn't there.
Getting a voter ID in Alabama didn't cost me a dime, and they have a bill
here to make it even easier.

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And an isolated incident does not condemn the whole system.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

And an isolated incident does not condemn the whole system.

Except this is not an isolated incident.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

And an isolated incident does not condemn the whole system.

Except this is not an isolated incident.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

And an isolated incident does not condemn the whole system.

Except this is not an isolated incident.

How many blind 84 year olds who don't have a social security card and have allowed

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their registration to expire (which only happens if you don't vote for several years)

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do you think there are?

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

And an isolated incident does not condemn the whole system.

Except this is not an isolated incident.

How many blind 84 year olds who don't have a social security card and have allowed

lie

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their registration to expire (which only happens if you don't vote for several years)

lie

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do you think there are?

You simply don't get to make up your own facts.
You don't need a photo ID just to register to vote in Alabama any more. You have to show one of a very short list at the polls to be allowed to vote. My aunt had been registered to vote, and according to her had voted in every election, since 1944. She had a Social Security Card but that since that doesn't have her picture on it and the only piece of ID that did was an a DL that expired more than a decade before this stupid law was passed the picture did not look enough like her to satisfy the guy at DPS so she had to prove her identity by other means.

Now are you done making stuff up about my aunt? (who is about to turn 90 not 85 BTW)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

And an isolated incident does not condemn the whole system.

Except this is not an isolated incident.

How many blind 84 year olds who don't have a social security card and have allowed

lie

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their registration to expire (which only happens if you don't vote for several years)

lie

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do you think there are?

You simply don't get to make up your own facts.
You don't need a photo ID just to register to vote in Alabama any more. You have to show one of a very short list at the polls to be allowed to vote. My aunt had been registered to vote, and according to her had voted in every election, since 1944. She had a Social Security Card but that since that doesn't have her picture on it and the only piece of ID that did was an a DL that expired more than a decade before this stupid law was passed the picture did not look enough like her to satisfy the guy at DPS so she had to prove her identity by other means.

Now are you done making stuff up about my aunt? (who is about to turn 90 not 85 BTW)

How did she get her ssan card?

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I didn't say anything about your aunt
Isn't making stuff up code for calling me a liar?
I see your pretty free with that.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

And an isolated incident does not condemn the whole system.

Except this is not an isolated incident.

How many blind 84 year olds who don't have a social security card and have allowed

lie

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their registration to expire (which only happens if you don't vote for several years)

lie

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do you think there are?

You simply don't get to make up your own facts.
You don't need a photo ID just to register to vote in Alabama any more. You have to show one of a very short list at the polls to be allowed to vote. My aunt had been registered to vote, and according to her had voted in every election, since 1944. She had a Social Security Card but that since that doesn't have her picture on it and the only piece of ID that did was an a DL that expired more than a decade before this stupid law was passed the picture did not look enough like her to satisfy the guy at DPS so she had to prove her identity by other means.

Now are you done making stuff up about my aunt? (who is about to turn 90 not 85 BTW)

How did she get her ssan card?

She got it back in the 40's. The rules back then took into account not having a BC since most people were not born in hospitals. She says, as best she remembers, she filled out a form and mailed it in.

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I didn't say anything about your aunt
Isn't making stuff up code for calling me a liar?
I see your pretty free with that.

You're the one making stuff up to try and make yourself look good and her bad. It's actually pretty pathetic.

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The Ohio poll worker (Melowese Richardson) convicted of voter fraud did so in 2012 (twice) and three times each in 2008, 2011, and 2012. Each time she voted for her sister, who was in a coma. There were no other people involved. Obviously she didn't vote for Obama 8 times, since 3 of the votes were in 2011. So no, the poll worker didn't have a whole ring of relatives involved, and all this info comes from USA Today and the Cincinnati Enquirer. She was released early from a five year sentence.

Lots of black oldsters in the south never got birth certificates because they were born at home during Jim Crow, when the local hospital wouldn't take them.

Other old folks with expired drivers licenses, like dcnovice's relative could take a whole day to finally get their voter id; it depends on the state.

For me to get a duplicate birth certificate, I'd have to submit a notarized statement of identity, an application for birth record, and pay $28 per copy for one of the California counties. It takes them 15 working days, not including shipping to turn the order around. It's a hell of a lot more complicated than it was about 12 years ago when I could order expedited copies online.

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The Ohio poll worker (Melowese Richardson) convicted of voter fraud did so in 2012 (twice) and three times each in 2008, 2011, and 2012. Each time she voted for her sister, who was in a coma. There were no other people involved. Obviously she didn't vote for Obama 8 times, since 3 of the votes were in 2011. So no, the poll worker didn't have a whole ring of relatives involved, and all this info comes from USA Today and the Cincinnati Enquirer. She was released early from a five year sentence.

Lots of black oldsters in the south never got birth certificates because they were born at home during Jim Crow, when the local hospital wouldn't take them.

Other old folks with expired drivers licenses, like dcnovice's relative could take a whole day to finally get their voter id; it depends on the state.

For me to get a duplicate birth certificate, I'd have to submit a notarized statement of identity, an application for birth record, and pay $28 per copy for one of the California counties. It takes them 15 working days, not including shipping to turn the order around. It's a hell of a lot more complicated than it was about 12 years ago when I could order expedited copies online.