DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: vincentML Equal access to education? Good luck with that? Students of color receive more punishment and have less access to experienced teachers beginning as early as preschool. Black students in public schools are suspended at triple the rate as white students. Proportionally more are referred to law enforcement and more are arrested for crimes in school. More troubling: "Students with disabilities make up one-fourth of students referred to law enforcement or arrested, although they represent 13 percent of the student population. Students with disabilities are twice as likely to be suspended out of school than peers, with 13 percent of such students being sent home for misbehaving. One of four boy students of color who have disabilities and one in five girl students of color who have disabilities were suspended. Students of color include all non-white ethnic groups except Latino and Asian-American." I realize this is a sensitive topic and people with divergent views might remain silent for fear of being labeled racist. I hope this will not happen here. I think this topic needs an open and fearless discussion. So, your thoughts please. Is the data the result of systematic racism in the schools as the article claims or are there other issues to be considered? What can be done to correct the problem? ARTICLE What the HuffPo article doesn't address, is whether or not the investigation was proper. For instance, if 100% of all students that commit some action that requires law enforcement were referred to law enforcement, would it be racist if 75% of the students committing the action were white? If only black students are being referred and other students aren't being referred, for the same issue, there may be truth to the racist claim. It might also have something to do with prior infractions, too. If no students are referred until their 3rd incident, and only one race has students getting 3 incidents, it's not a racist thing that only that race is being referred. If blacks students commit more infractions than students of any other race, would it be a surprise for more black students to be corrected? Note that I'm not claiming they do, but questioning whether or not the investigation took everything into account. As far as the teacher quality goes, that's not necessarily racist, either. Unions are, typically, based greatly on seniority. In a School District, if a teacher with higher seniority chooses to move out of an inner city, with students that are predominantly black, forcing the position to be filled by a teacher with less seniority, is that racist of the District, the seniority teacher, both, or neither? It can only be 2 of those 4. That's not on the District. Would a School District want experienced or inexperienced teachers? I'm absolutely sure that most School Districts would rather have experienced teachers leading their students. If an experienced teacher decides to jump from a large city District to a suburban District, whose fault is that? If there isn't an experienced teacher to fill that void, isn't an inexperienced teacher more desirable to either not filling the position, or filling it with someone who isn't even trained as a teacher? If you follow the links, you will eventually get to an Excel file (HERE) that shows the breakdowns. The file is a racial demographic survey, but doesn't prove any racism, as there is nothing showing that any race is being discriminated against. And, each table in the file has a listing of 4 caveats that pertain to some of the data in the table:quote:
‡ Estimate has been suppressed. Associated standard error exceeds 50 percent of the estimate. ! Associated standard error exceeds 30 percent of the estimate. Interpret data with caution. ¡ Interpret data with caution. Estimate has been flagged for large differences from other reported data sources from the U.S. Department of Education. 1 Interpret data with Caution. Estimate presented is a subtotal associated with a grand total that has been flagged for being different from other U.S. Department of Education data sources. So, the data that has been presented may or may not even be accurate (which means it could be better or worse than presented). I think we need to wait to see if the racial demographics of students that performed a certain act compared to the demographics of the District's response(s) to those students, shows there is racism in action or not.
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What I support: - A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
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- Help for the truly needy
- Limited Government
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