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World War III


That war is coming.
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Please let that war come.
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The war was never over.
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RE: World War III - 3/23/2014 12:36:47 PM   
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I got a few too many hits when I googled "the family".

Who are they?

Wow. I'm surprised. But OK.

The Family is the Conservative organization behind Washington conservative politics. They are the ones who started the White House Prayer Breakfasts during the Eisenhower administration (because he reluctantly felt he owed them something for delivering his election), continuing ever since and growing in power. Jeff Sharlet wrote a book about them in 2009.

From Publishers Weekly:

Checking in on a friend's brother at Ivenwald, a Washington-based fundamentalist group living communally in Arlington, Va., religion and journalism scholar Sharlet finds a sect whose members refer to Manhattan's Ground Zero as "the ruins of secularism"; intrigued, Sharlet accepts on a whim an invitation to stay at Ivenwald. He finds himself in the stronghold of a widespread network populated by elite, politically ambitious fundamentalists; Sharlet is present when a leader tells a dozen men living there, "You guys are here to learn how to rule the world."

The Family was established in 1935 to oppose FDR's New Deal and the spread of trade unions; since then, it has organized well-attended weekly prayer meetings for members of Congress and annual National Prayer Breakfasts attended by every president since Eisenhower. Further, the Family's international reach ("almost impossible to overstate") has "forged relationships between the U.S. government and some of the most oppressive regimes in the world." In the years since his first encounter, Sharlet has done extensive research, a thorough account of the Family's life and times.

The ultimate goal is to unite the world under one rule devoted to Christianity.

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RE: World War III - 3/23/2014 12:53:46 PM   
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Lol, call it what you like, "instructions" "suggestion" "demand," I had no desire to silence him, or any expectation that he would do as I suggested. I just thought he may feel more at home with people who think the same way he does. And when I said "I could ask you the same thing" it was more in response to this: "Yeah, who gives him the right to voice his opinion?" I'm free to judge and form my own opinions on others opinions however I want, how people react to what I think/say isn't within my control. If I wanted to silence someone, I could go to the mods and complain like a little bitch. Or hire a hacker to block all conservative opinions on this site or whatever. But since I actually support people's right to free speech, I just use my own right to free speech to voice my own opinions instead of actively trying to silence others. I know cons love to play the victim, but this is just hilarious

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RE: World War III - 3/23/2014 1:21:33 PM   
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Lol, call it what you like, "instructions" "suggestion" "demand," I had no desire to silence him, or any expectation that he would do as I suggested. I just thought he may feel more at home with people who think the same way he does. And when I said "I could ask you the same thing" it was more in response to this: "Yeah, who gives him the right to voice his opinion?" I'm free to judge and form my own opinions on others opinions however I want, how people react to what I think/say isn't within my control. If I wanted to silence someone, I could go to the mods and complain like a little bitch. Or hire a hacker to block all conservative opinions on this site or whatever. But since I actually support people's right to free speech, I just use my own right to free speech to voice my own opinions instead of actively trying to silence others. I know cons love to play the victim, but this is just hilarious


You may not know it, but "" is commonly used to denote sarcasm.

You support people's right to free speech? Hardly. I'm sure your concern was for truckinslave's comfort in his surroundings. (there that sarcasm thing is again)




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RE: World War III - 3/23/2014 1:31:51 PM   
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Lol, well you're right about the sarcasm. But it wasn't sarcasm in the sense that I think he should be silenced, it was sarcasm in the sense that I disagree with him and that I think he buys into xenophobic conspiracies and that he's backwards and crazy. Should stop looking for something that isn't there, otherwise you'll start thinking like truck there and start thinking that anyone who isn't white is a threat to world peace

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RE: World War III - 3/23/2014 1:45:20 PM   
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Seriously.
Jeff Sharlet? The man who called Doug Coe, (founder of World Vision), "an imperialist of the old school, bringing light to the natives and clearing the way for other men to extract a dollar."
That Jeff Sharlet?
The atheist who has consistently written almost solely to attack faith?"an imperialist of the old school, bringing light to the natives and clearing the way for other men to extract a dollar."

Anyway, we were talking about war. And "The Family" has nothing to do with war.
So, I take your citing of Jeff Sharlet's "The Famly" (which is really just "the family of believers" a.k.a. all Christians) as proof that your attempt at equivalence-

[quoteIslam is not at war with the world--only a few minority groups are. And the same with minority Christian groups who want to conquer the world. ][/quote]-

has no basis in reality.



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2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: World War III - 3/23/2014 3:41:39 PM   
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The ultimate goal is to unite the world under one rule devoted to Christianity.



I'm curious, Muse. You seem to be equating the influence of a Christian-money breakfast club for politicians in America with power of authoritarian theocratic regimes. You said yourself that The Family didn't get what they wanted from Bush II. More importantly, who else gets to rent the ear of those same politicians? What other cultural forces do they have to compete with?

To pull the line from Stalin, how many divisions have they got?

I think you are way out of balance in how you are viewing the two sides of your equation.

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RE: World War III - 3/23/2014 6:48:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBukani
Like you shouldn't feed gremlins after midnight?
PS you love LOTR don't ya?
Oh and another question are you ever gonna be serious about something, or are you just gonna continue trolling on my threads?


I think we, as humans, are smarter and will figure out a way to keep things from escalating to WWIII.




The PsOS who tricked us into invading and then occupying an entire foreign nation, leaving it to better men to clean up their messes are busy trying to get us into yet another war......And have`nt stopped trying to duck blame for the last 11 years.


So no..."we"... are not smarter......


We`re as smart as the dumbest republican considering the one that almost started ww3.....



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RE: World War III - 3/23/2014 6:52:01 PM   
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RE: World War III - 3/23/2014 7:03:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Seriously.
Jeff Sharlet? The man who called Doug Coe, (founder of World Vision), "an imperialist of the old school, bringing light to the natives and clearing the way for other men to extract a dollar."
That Jeff Sharlet?
The atheist who has consistently written almost solely to attack faith?"an imperialist of the old school, bringing light to the natives and clearing the way for other men to extract a dollar."

Anyway, we were talking about war. And "The Family" has nothing to do with war.
So, I take your citing of Jeff Sharlet's "The Famly" (which is really just "the family of believers" a.k.a. all Christians) as proof that your attempt at equivalence-

[quoteIslam is not at war with the world--only a few minority groups are. And the same with minority Christian groups who want to conquer the world. ]-

has no basis in reality.



Whatever.

The Family has been around since 1935, and they aren't a secret organization a la Illuminati etc. Pretend they don't exist if you like.

Don't like Sharlet, don't read his book. Just sharing--you asked.



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RE: World War III - 3/23/2014 7:09:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

The ultimate goal is to unite the world under one rule devoted to Christianity.



I'm curious, Muse. You seem to be equating the influence of a Christian-money breakfast club for politicians in America with power of authoritarian theocratic regimes. You said yourself that The Family didn't get what they wanted from Bush II. More importantly, who else gets to rent the ear of those same politicians? What other cultural forces do they have to compete with?

To pull the line from Stalin, how many divisions have they got?

I think you are way out of balance in how you are viewing the two sides of your equation.

I can't imagine how you came by that perception. Certainly not by anything I've claimed.

The Family does backroom deals, behind the scenes. Hardly "authoritarian theocratic regimes." They're wannabes. But influential wannbes in Washington.

I'm always stunned how quickly folks run with the tangents and leave the original posts. The point was countering that Islam is bent on conquering the world and Christians are immune. Neither are true. There's a minority in each with that vision.

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RE: World War III - 3/23/2014 7:25:11 PM   
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Yup,The Family,aka The Fellowship,aka C-Street (a Wash.DC town house they use to bribe the republicans who live there.....for free. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellowship_(Christian_organization)


They were able to trick the Ugandans into passing the most horrific anti human laws(in this case anti-gay laws) written since the nazis wrote theirs....


Job well done christo-fascist-republicans....



Anyone (with a conscience) who wants to know how much damage an off-the -radar, well funded conservative group can make,google the words "c-street,Uganda and homosexuality and see what these "Christian" monsters (that our conservatives are pretending doen`t exist) have created.....

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RE: World War III - 3/23/2014 7:30:53 PM   
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Prominent evangelical Christians have described the organization as one of the most, or the most, politically well-connected ministries in the world.

D. Michael Lindsay, a former Rice University sociologist who studies the evangelical movement, said "there is no other organization like the Fellowship, especially among religious groups, in terms of its access or clout among the country’s leadership."[11] He also reported that lawmakers mentioned the Fellowship more than any other organization when asked to name a ministry with the most influence on their faith.[1]

In 1977, four years after he had converted to Christianity, Fellowship member and Watergate conspirator Charles Colson described the group as a "veritable underground of Christ’s men all through the U.S. government."[12]

Former Senate Prayer Group member and current Kansas Governor Sam Brownback has described group members' method of operation: "Typically, one person grows desirous of pursuing an action"—-a piece of legislation, a diplomatic strategy—-"and the others pull in behind."[25] Indeed, Brownback has often joined with fellow Family members in pursuing legislation. For example, in 1999 he joined together with fellow Family members, Senators Strom Thurmond and Don Nickles to demand a criminal investigation of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State, and in 2005 Brownback joined with Fellowship member Sen. Tom Coburn to promote the Houses of Worship Act.[26]

The Reverend Rob Schenck, founder of the Washington, D.C. ministry Faith and Action in the Nation’s Capital, described the Family's influence as "off the charts" in comparison with other fundamentalist groups, specifically compared to Focus on the Family, Pat Robertson, Gary Bauer, Traditional Values Coalition, and Prison Fellowship.[14] (These last two are associated with the Family: Traditional Values Coalition uses their C Street House[14] and Prison Fellowship was founded by Charles Colson.) Schenck also says that "the mystique of the Fellowship" has helped it "gain entree into almost impossible places in the capital."[6]

A talk from 1970 for college students encouraging mentoring and discipleship stated: "If you want... there are men in government, there are senators who literally find it their pleasure to give any advice, assistance, or counsel." [27]

Lindsay also interviewed 360 evangelical elites, among whom "One in three mentioned [Doug] Coe or the Fellowship as an important influence."[11]

The Fellowship also has relationships with numerous non-U.S. government leaders. Lindsay reported that it "has relationships with pretty much every world leader—good and bad—and there are not many organizations in the world that can claim that."[1]

"The Fellowship’s reach into governments around the world is almost impossible to overstate or even grasp," says David Kuo, a former special assistant in George W. Bush’s Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives.[13]

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RE: World War III - 3/23/2014 8:05:15 PM   
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One would think that a secretive cult-like group that was giving republican senators and congressmen free room and board in one of the most expensive neighborhoods in the world would spark some curiosity.......



Maybe if it was democrats being bribed......?

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RE: World War III - 3/23/2014 8:20:54 PM   
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Not just Republican.

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RE: World War III - 3/23/2014 8:21:39 PM   
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Yes, I did ask, but for Christian groups committing violent acts purposed to start WW III.

And you answered: "Well, there's this group that hosts breakfast...."

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1. Islam and sharia are indivisible.
2. Sharia is barbaric, homophobic, violent, and inimical to the most basic Western values (including free speech and freedom of religion). (Yeah, I know: SEE: Irony 101).
ERGO: Islam has no place in America.

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RE: World War III - 3/23/2014 8:27:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

ORIGINAL: truckinslave

I got a few too many hits when I googled "the family".

Who are they?

Wow. I'm surprised. But OK.

The Family is the Conservative organization behind Washington conservative politics. They are the ones who started the White House Prayer Breakfasts during the Eisenhower administration (because he reluctantly felt he owed them something for delivering his election), continuing ever since and growing in power. Jeff Sharlet wrote a book about them in 2009.

From Publishers Weekly:

Checking in on a friend's brother at Ivenwald, a Washington-based fundamentalist group living communally in Arlington, Va., religion and journalism scholar Sharlet finds a sect whose members refer to Manhattan's Ground Zero as "the ruins of secularism"; intrigued, Sharlet accepts on a whim an invitation to stay at Ivenwald. He finds himself in the stronghold of a widespread network populated by elite, politically ambitious fundamentalists; Sharlet is present when a leader tells a dozen men living there, "You guys are here to learn how to rule the world."

The Family was established in 1935 to oppose FDR's New Deal and the spread of trade unions; since then, it has organized well-attended weekly prayer meetings for members of Congress and annual National Prayer Breakfasts attended by every president since Eisenhower. Further, the Family's international reach ("almost impossible to overstate") has "forged relationships between the U.S. government and some of the most oppressive regimes in the world." In the years since his first encounter, Sharlet has done extensive research, a thorough account of the Family's life and times.

The ultimate goal is to unite the world under one rule devoted to Christianity.

Basically what you are talking about is Chrisitian Dominionism, the idea that the US and World should live according to biblical principles, literally, so we should have stoning for adulterers, putting gays to death, and so forth. Course there is a big irony here, these same morons yell and scream about "Islamofascists" trying to impose sharia law on the world....

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RE: World War III - 3/23/2014 8:28:25 PM   
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Perhaps what you intended, but not what you asked, and not what I answered.

Stick your head in the sand if you like. Reality still persists, however.

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RE: World War III - 3/23/2014 8:29:36 PM   
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Ah, no, not what I'm talking about at all.

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RE: World War III - 3/23/2014 8:29:51 PM   
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Not just Republican.



There was one...... democrat, who`s been gone for years......true.







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RE: World War III - 3/23/2014 8:30:51 PM   
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You aren't helping.

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