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RE: Struggling Pro-Dommes - 3/24/2014 11:39:17 PM   
joshua69


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Male sub, sour grapes.



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Male sub, sour grapes.


It sounds a bit "I would really like to pay less for a session, so I just claim it is business advise..."

Don't you love it if some dude who knows jack shit is trying "help women out"


Um, yeah. The OP is a woman. It was like one click and then I just...knew.

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RE: Struggling Pro-Dommes - 3/25/2014 1:11:50 AM   
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Male sub, sour grapes.


It sounds a bit "I would really like to pay less for a session, so I just claim it is business advise..."

Don't you love it if some dude who knows jack shit is trying "help women out"


Um, yeah. The OP is a woman. It was like one click and then I just...knew.


Um, yeah. The OP is a male sub. I was like reading his post and then I just... realized that people can claim to be any gender they want online.

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RE: Struggling Pro-Dommes - 3/25/2014 2:14:02 AM   
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RE: Struggling Pro-Dommes - 3/25/2014 3:14:00 AM   
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The OP is a male sub. I was like reading his post and then I just... realized that people can claim to be any gender they want online.


Yep. It pisses me off that I didn't catch that right away. But after you mentioned it, I reread the OP and it was obvious.

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RE: Struggling Pro-Dommes - 3/25/2014 3:42:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, the pronounced lack of an Adam's Apple, the facial structure, boobs. It's all too simple. as though the OP was merely toying with us. You're right, my God in Heaven! She's a sea creature, sprung forth from the debts of some dark ocean to eliminate all ProDommes. Like a scaly but kind of cute terminator. She can't be talked to. She can't be reasoned with. Run ProDommes! Run for your very lives!

But not too far as my birthday is roiling up fast and I'm planning for pain and Domination. It's your birthday! It's your birthday!

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RE: Struggling Pro-Dommes - 3/25/2014 4:35:05 AM   
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The OP is a male sub. I was like reading his post and then I just... realized that people can claim to be any gender they want online.


Yep. It pisses me off that I didn't catch that right away. But after you mentioned it, I reread the OP and it was obvious.


While I'm not disagreeing with the possibility, I read it a few time and don't see anything that states or implies male sub.
The portion where the OP states the pro Domme charges males but not women I took as either an explanation as to why she's with the Domme or another example of poor pricing.

Regardless of the true intentions of the OP, I agree fully with your first post.

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RE: Struggling Pro-Dommes - 3/25/2014 5:08:48 AM   
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Yes, the pronounced lack of an Adam's Apple, the facial structure, boobs.


I'm not going to weigh in about this OP, but you do know about the phenomenon of men using somebody else's pictures so that they may pass themselves off as women online, yes?

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RE: Struggling Pro-Dommes - 3/25/2014 6:04:30 AM   
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This may be slightly off-topic, but when I saw the thread title, I half-expected a pledge drive to help all the struggling pro-dommes, and the image of a leather-clad woman in stillettos, squatting on a curb and holding up a hand-lettered sign saying 'Will Domme For Food', with big, limpid, puppy-dog eyes.

Feel free to take shots at the target I've now painted on my back.


What a cock! No, seriously, when will the pledge drive start and will it be televised, you think?


One can only hope. Who should be the host? Gotta have a big name for this one. I'm going with Julia Roberts only because she rocked the thigh-highs so well back in the day.

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RE: Struggling Pro-Dommes - 3/25/2014 8:07:19 AM   
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Yes, the pronounced lack of an Adam's Apple, the facial structure, boobs.


I'm not going to weigh in about this OP, but you do know about the phenomenon of men using somebody else's pictures so that they may pass themselves off as women online, yes?


I've heard about this phenomenon, although it wouldn't make any sense in this thread. If the OP is male, then he could have stated the same views and supporting arguments as a male. The arguments would still be the same either way.

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RE: Struggling Pro-Dommes - 3/25/2014 8:45:08 AM   
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I've heard about this phenomenon, although it wouldn't make any sense in this thread. If the OP is male, then he could have stated the same views and supporting arguments as a male. The arguments would still be the same either way.

I'd probably disagree. Reason being, if the OP had posed the question as a male, there would be more "sour grapes" comments and so forth. Also, the original premise that the OP wasn't being charged and other people were wouldn't fly as the surface argument.

To the OP......

I'm not a pro. Never was. However, if I was, I'd probably be one of the more expensive ones. Why? Because even just being a lifestyle chick, I know the investment, both in time and materials that I've made over the years. I'd figure, you get what you pay for.

If that meant I'd have fewer clients and still worked that regular 40 hour a week job? So what? Wouldn't be any different than where I started and I'd have medical benefits and 401K. I'm practical like that.



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RE: Struggling Pro-Dommes - 3/25/2014 8:45:54 AM   
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From my perspective, Pro-Domme is just like any other business: supply and demand. If your doing everything else right: advertising, etc., then the reason might very well be your charging too much.

What do you think?


Yeah, business is business. I'm involved in an ongoing discussion in P&R about capitalism and the nature of business in America today. We also talked about why businesses fail and how they can sometimes be myopic and self-defeating. I don't see that professional domination would be any different when viewed from a strictly business point of view.

One thing that seems missing in this business model is any kind of trade organization or certification body which would define and enforce good standards and practices.

If I'm going to do business with someone, I would want to know if they're members of the Better Business Bureau and any applicable trade/professional organizations. Someone mentioned dentists earlier, but dentists would have diplomas on their wall and membership in the ADA to assure patients that this is someone who knows what they are doing.

Police officers and firefighters have to go through a lot of training, pass tests, and gain a certification and/or license to work in that field. They don't just let anybody do it.

I often see bumper stickers that say "Use a licensed contractor," which might cost a little more, but there's a better chance that the job will be done right.



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RE: Struggling Pro-Dommes - 3/25/2014 8:49:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fake pics, male sub. As far as why he lies about himself? Male subs pretend to do that all the time. He's probably in chat rooms pretending to be female with this same name. Because if he pretends to be a young, attractive female he gets lots of guys chasing after him. And he enjoys the chase.

Hell, he's probably hoping some femdomme will tell him she would be a better mistress, and he'd have weeks of online interaction before she got wise to him.

The rest of us want a real relationship, not a fantasy one, so we don't understand people who play these games. But there are a lot of time wasters out there who only want online and don't care who they hurt getting it.

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RE: Struggling Pro-Dommes - 3/25/2014 8:58:42 AM   
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Yes, the pronounced lack of an Adam's Apple, the facial structure, boobs.


I'm not going to weigh in about this OP, but you do know about the phenomenon of men using somebody else's pictures so that they may pass themselves off as women online, yes?


I've heard about this phenomenon, although it wouldn't make any sense in this thread. If the OP is male, then he could have stated the same views and supporting arguments as a male. The arguments would still be the same either way.


If a guy makes that argument, it's pretty obvious where he comes from.

Gotta wonder why the OP has that much interest in it, really. I mean why not trust the people who work in a certain job to make their own calls?

I can tell you from experience, I used to pro Domme part time (my mentor wouldn't teach anybody who didn't have other means of financial support, for good reason), the ONLY people who gave unrequested advise regarding charging less were MEN, each and every time. From experience, doing more than 5 sessions a day is difficult if you want to keep up quality, it does take a lot out of you. Some dude telling you "Oh but you could do 10 sessions a day if you'd charge less" is usually somebody who doesn't know jack shit, but you can bet on that he wants to spend less.

I remembered a blog post by DominaM, who was certainly high end, incredibly skilled, incredibly gorgeous, she addressed the whole "charge less" stuff and why it really doesn't work:

http://domina-m.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/micro-dommenomics-re-inventing-wheel.html

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RE: Struggling Pro-Dommes - 3/25/2014 9:04:55 AM   
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Yes, the pronounced lack of an Adam's Apple, the facial structure, boobs. It's all too simple. as though the OP was merely toying with us. You're right, my God in Heaven! She's a sea creature, sprung forth from the debts of some dark ocean to eliminate all ProDommes. Like a scaly but kind of cute terminator. She can't be talked to. She can't be reasoned with. Run ProDommes! Run for your very lives!

But not too far as my birthday is roiling up fast and I'm planning for pain and Domination. It's your birthday! It's your birthday!


So if I find a picture of a guy online and make a male profile, does that mean I am all of a sudden male? WOW! Amazing how quick that works....

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RE: Struggling Pro-Dommes - 3/25/2014 9:11:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Great article LC. Worth some pixels:

http://domina-m.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/micro-dommenomics-re-inventing-wheel.html?zx=ea20e4e6e2fa4a32

... In summary, get an “Off-Brand Domina M, No Frills Session for $75” with the idea that I could pick up a foot/OTK session a few times a week, no fuss, no muss. There was a market out there, wasn’t there?

“R U AVALIBL 4 A SESION?”

“Yes.” Yeah okay, this wasn’t going to be an up-market clientele, was it.

“IN 15 MINS?”

“Sure.” Ugh, well I was sitting in the dungeon anyway.

Two hours later, nothing from that potential client. I suppose I could have a perfectly stimulating conversation with myself for 30 minutes if he was a dumb-dumb. With that mental consolation I trudged forward.

“Does that include sex?” That delightful message arrived not too long after I posted an ad on CraigsList.

“What? No.”

“How about if I tip you another $10?”

This was not going well. Was there someone out there thinking they can get professional sex for $85? And did they think someone who turns tricks for that little money would provide a quality experience? Well I guess there’s always going to be that guy.

Or a lot of those guys. Fair enough. I deleted the emails and blocked them from my instant messenger as time wasters.

“Hello Miss Morgan! I am very submissive and would love to serve you in the morning!!!1!1!” Oooh, here we go. “Do you have fully-fashioned Cuban-heel stockings? Like I said, I am very submissive and also enjoy CBT, cross dressing, spitting and face slapping. Do you have suspension?”

“No, just some nice black stockings for some domestic play.” Of course, I had all of that stuff, but geeze-louise, fully-fashioned Cuban-heel stockings alone are $50 a pair. I wanted an easy morning session.

“Sorry. Email me when you get that suspension.”

Yeah, buddy, right on that.

“R U AVALIBL 4 A SESION?”

“Yes.” He was coming back?

“IN 15 MINS?”

“Sure.” But no, he never replied after the initial questions. Was he just checking to see if I was sitting, waiting for a session???

“Dear Goddess, I would love to see you. Do you offer nude sessions and are you a clock-watcher? I would love to be naked over your lap.”

My office was the discount champagne room at a strip club? Granted it wouldn’t cost me anything to be naked, but, ew.

“R U AVALIBL 4 A SESION?”

For the love of Pete. . . .

After all of that, how many people did I see in those three months? None. Zero. Goose-Egg.

Read more: http://domina-m.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/micro-dommenomics-re-inventing-wheel.html?zx=ea20e4e6e2fa4a32

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RE: Struggling Pro-Dommes - 3/25/2014 9:23:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		The thing is, a guy who can't afford to session can't afford it, somebody who is serious about booking a session will book it, maybe less often, but he will. The guys who want cheap sessions want them for free, if they can't afford $200 or $250 every 2 months, they can't afford $100 session once a month.

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RE: Struggling Pro-Dommes - 3/25/2014 9:24:10 AM   
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I've heard about this phenomenon, although it wouldn't make any sense in this thread. If the OP is male, then he could have stated the same views and supporting arguments as a male. The arguments would still be the same either way.

I'd probably disagree. Reason being, if the OP had posed the question as a male, there would be more "sour grapes" comments and so forth. Also, the original premise that the OP wasn't being charged and other people were wouldn't fly as the surface argument.


You're right about the comments, although I don't see how that would have any bearing on the actual issues being brought up. I'm not even sure if the OP's premise (that pro-dommes are struggling) is even correct. I don't know that they're struggling, and even if they are struggling, I'm not sure that the reasons cited would be the correct ones. I wasn't really interested in anyone's "sour grapes," but issues related to business and economics sometimes interest me, so that's the angle I was looking at.



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RE: Struggling Pro-Dommes - 3/25/2014 10:08:03 AM   
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You're right about the comments, although I don't see how that would have any bearing on the actual issues being brought up. I'm not even sure if the OP's premise (that pro-dommes are struggling) is even correct. I don't know that they're struggling, and even if they are struggling, I'm not sure that the reasons cited would be the correct ones. I wasn't really interested in anyone's "sour grapes," but issues related to business and economics sometimes interest me, so that's the angle I was looking at.

To the best of My knowledge, the 'good' pros aren't struggling. They are worth that $300.00 an hour. Then again, they aren't the types that are hanging out their shingle for the first time. Little girls who are just starting out? Whole different ball game.



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RE: Struggling Pro-Dommes - 3/25/2014 10:22:57 AM   
Zonie63


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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze


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Yes, the pronounced lack of an Adam's Apple, the facial structure, boobs.


I'm not going to weigh in about this OP, but you do know about the phenomenon of men using somebody else's pictures so that they may pass themselves off as women online, yes?


I've heard about this phenomenon, although it wouldn't make any sense in this thread. If the OP is male, then he could have stated the same views and supporting arguments as a male. The arguments would still be the same either way.


If a guy makes that argument, it's pretty obvious where he comes from.

Gotta wonder why the OP has that much interest in it, really. I mean why not trust the people who work in a certain job to make their own calls?

I can tell you from experience, I used to pro Domme part time (my mentor wouldn't teach anybody who didn't have other means of financial support, for good reason), the ONLY people who gave unrequested advise regarding charging less were MEN, each and every time. From experience, doing more than 5 sessions a day is difficult if you want to keep up quality, it does take a lot out of you. Some dude telling you "Oh but you could do 10 sessions a day if you'd charge less" is usually somebody who doesn't know jack shit, but you can bet on that he wants to spend less.

I remembered a blog post by DominaM, who was certainly high end, incredibly skilled, incredibly gorgeous, she addressed the whole "charge less" stuff and why it really doesn't work:

http://domina-m.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/micro-dommenomics-re-inventing-wheel.html


Yeah, I can see how there would be complications like that. To be honest, I myself am kind of wary of profiles of men pretending to be women, but I wasn't really expecting it in this context.

I actually have no idea about the economics or business aspects of this particular field. I've worked in other businesses and understand the basic principles of economics, although from reading the blog and other assorted comments on the subject in various threads and elsewhere, it seems like there are plenty of pitfalls and likely a lot of flaky people around the periphery. At least that's the impression I get from this and other blogs there might be on the subject.

Cost may not be the only factor here.


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RE: Struggling Pro-Dommes - 3/25/2014 10:43:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		A pro domme session is a luxury, it's not something somebody needs, so if you don't have the spare cash to do it occasionally, you simply will not have the spare cash to do it when it's half price.

Let's say I'm always super sceptical when I hear certain stories that a Domme charges so much less and all of a sudden is super busy, makes you wonder where that works. For most professions there is a going rate, if somebody is far below that going rate, people will wonder where the catch is. Now in a business where there is a lot of potential risk involved, would you trust somebody who's way below the going rate?

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